George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

walshb

Odhinn wrote: »

Thats a disgusting view, and I'm no shrinking violet tbh. I find it hard to comprehend your fawning attitude towards the cops in this instance.

Fawning my arse..

And nothing disgusting about it. I wish no person what happened to that man.

This is about you blaming it all on the cops. The man brought it on. He chose to walk up to coos in riot gear..they pushed him away. And you want to lay all that blame on him.

Youythe type that would probably cheer him if he attacked or maimed or killed the copper..

No sense of balance with you.

Rodin

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This true?

Of course it's true.

There's a very powerful narrative being fed here about race.
Perhaps race isn't the issue at all.

walshb

Odhinn wrote: »

It is, but when you look at the amount of shooting victims as per the percentage of the population, black deaths are far higher than white.

Yes. And look at the crime percentages per population...

Odhinn

walshb wrote: »

Fawning my arse..

And nothing disgusting about it. I wish no person what happened to that man.

This is about you blaming it all on the cops. The man brought it on. He chose to walk up to coos in riot gear..they pushed him away. And you want to lay all that blame on him.

Youythe type that would probably cheer him if he attacked or maimed or killed the copper..

No sense of balance with you.

They threw him to the ground, a man in his 70's. God forbid he stand there thinking he was immune from assault.

weldoninhio

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The elderly man who shouted at an armed officer, who was pushed to the ground and is now in a serious condition in hospital...

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Rodin

Odhinn wrote: »

It is, but when you look at the amount of shooting victims as per the percentage of the population, black deaths are far higher than white.

Black people are over-represented amongst murderers in the US.

So the question is, is there a problem regarding race amongst police? Is there an issue of police brutality no matter what the colour (the elderly man today)?
Do US police shoot more people because more people are carrying guns? Guards here don't really have to worry that a driver is carrying a gun at a random traffic stop.

hetuzozaho

Rodin wrote: »

It should be noted that police officers shoot dead more white people than they do any other ethnicity in the US

And is that because there's more of them to shoot?:pac: or "per capita" or however you would say it need to brush up on my statistics jargon

walshb

joe40 wrote: »

What were they supposed to do?

How about walk around him. ..

The use of force should be proportional to the threat.
There is no way you can look at video and say the force used was proportional.

For someone who doesn't like violence how can you possibly justify pushing an elderly man to the ground causing serious injury regardless of whether he was right or not.

Even the police chief condemned it.

Walk around him. He went to them. He chose his actions..

How about he not challenge cops in riot gear?

So, the cops now are to walk around every possible threat they face, every person who impedes them, challenges them, approaches them, refuses to comply with them?

What sort of law and order do you want? Because it sounds like you want people to be able to do and please as they like.

weldoninhio

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Sorry, making what up?

"In Indianapolis, the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department is investigating officers beating a woman with baton and shooting her with pepper rounds"

We can go tit for tat if you're just going to post snippets from whatever article support your argument.
Although there shouldn't be a need to post snippets, since peaceful protests should be the norm. No one should be assured for exercising their right to protest.

My snippet is about the people who you claim “occupied” the state capital. They were allowed in, peacefully, by the police. They didn’t storm, occupy, or do anything illegal.

Padre_Pio

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

A riot police officer when approached and impeded has no right to use force ???


Really ?


go back to sleep

Exactly.

No police officer has any authority to attack someone who is not threatening them.

Both officers have been suspended because of their unprovoked attack

Carfacemandog

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

he was told move back and refused.

He then approached the police and impeded them.

False. He approached police, they did not give warning, then demanded "MOVE BACK!" and shoved him literally less than one second later.

The worst part though is that they just leave him there, bleeding from the head and out cold. One cop, the one he initially approached, instinctively stops to check on him and you can see them be instructed to just leave the guy to possibly die, by one of the other two who escalated the situation, who instead wants them to "grab those two guys (protestors) right now".

Heartless, cowardly and pathetic is all that can describe their actions.

he got pushed and rightly so.

Then why have both officers been suspended immediately, with Governor Andre cuomo (who has largely been in the polices side through this) calling it disgraceful?

Justin Credible Darts

the old fossil
1. ignored police warnings
2. impeded the oncoming police
3. and did so during a pandemic where he not only ignored social distancing rules, but at his age was prone to not only having corona, but spreading it.,

It seems to be only black men in all of these high profile police brutality cases.

Can't name a single black female case.

Am curious what reasons people think for this?

Are the police also targeting men and not women? Should there be a men lives matter group?

Ahwell

Rodin wrote: »

It should be noted that police officers shoot dead more white people than they do any other ethnicity in the US

Hardly surprising since 73% of the population are white.

Padre_Pio

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the old fossil
1. ignored police warnings
2. impeded the oncoming police
3. and did so during a pandemic where he not only ignored social distancing rules, but at his age was prone to not only having corona, but spreading it.,

Exercised his right to protest.
Was no threat to armed riot police.

I don't think you understand how Corona is spread if you think old people are bigger spreaders than other demographics.

weldoninhio

Ahwell wrote: »

Hardly surprising since 73% of the population are white.

What percentage of crimes are carried out by white people??

peddlelies

Odhinn wrote: »

It is, but when you look at the amount of shooting victims as per the percentage of the population, black deaths are far higher than white.

Why do you think that is? 13% of the population are African American, so the real figure is half of that number ( 6-7% of population committing over half the murders in the US ).

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

Cody montana

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the old fossil
1. ignored police warnings
2. impeded the oncoming police
3. and did so during a pandemic where he not only ignored social distancing rules, but at his age was prone to not only having corona, but spreading it.,

Do you think it’s appropriate to push an old man over??

walshb

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Then why have both officers been suspended immediately, with Governor Andre cuomo (who has largely been in the polices side through this) calling it disgraceful?

I don’t pay too much attention lately to everyone falling over themselves to criticise the cops at every turn. To be seen to be in the right side...

If I were the cops now I’d say, shag it, let all these do gooders who are slating us restore law and order. I’m going home.

Padre_Pio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It seems to be only black men in all of these high profile police brutality cases.

Can't name a single black female case.

Am curious what reasons people think for this?

Are the police also targeting men and not women? Should there be a men lives matter group?

The hashtag #sayhername was created for all the black women who are victims of police brutality after Sandra Bland, a 28-year old Black woman from Naperville, Illinois who was arrested for allegedly assaulting a police officer during a traffic stop in Texas and was found dead in her jail cell three days later.

joe40

walshb wrote: »

Walk around him. He went to them. He chose his actions..

How about he not challenge cops in riot gear?

So, the cops now are to walk around every possible threat they face, every person who impedes them, challenges them, approaches them, refuses to comply with them?

What sort of law and order do you want? Because it sounds like you want people to be able to do and please as they like.

I didn't say walk around every threat.
Are you going to seriously try to say that old man posed a threat to armed officers in riot gear.
That's ridiculous and you know it.

If their actions were justified why did the chief condemn it.

I would bet money that the vast majority of police themselves would condemn that particular action and maybe with hindsight even the officer himself regrets it.

Justin Credible Darts

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Exercised his right to protest.
Was no threat to armed riot police.

I don't think you understand how Corona is spread if you think old people are bigger spreaders than other demographics.

he broke social distancing laws
he ignored police warnings
impeded riot police doing their job


he deserved it.


Tell me would you during this pandemic be out there impeding riot police ?
Would you refuse to get out of the way of oncoming riot police


Enlighten me.

Carfacemandog

walshb wrote: »

Walk around him. He went to them. He chose his actions..

Then escort him away and make it clear you will need to arrest him if he continues. He clearly is old and frail enough for that to be an extremely easy task for one or two cops to do without effort. It is their job to protect the public and

Those cops swore an oath to the constitution which allows for peaceful protest when they took the job. This shows that they are clearly not fit for their positions. There is no threat that man could have posed to them whatsoever.

If this was a 6'2, 250lb guy who just lost his balance when they pushed and who could have caused a physical problem for them, I might be able to sympathise a little. It was not. It was someone frail enough to likely not be a match for a 13 year old boy.

And then they just left him there to bleed out from the head.

joe40

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It seems to be only black men in all of these high profile police brutality cases.

Can't name a single black female case.

Am curious what reasons people think for this?

Are the police also targeting men and not women? Should there be a men lives matter group?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Just from a few weeks ago. High profile don't know how you missed it.

RIGOLO

Odhinn wrote: »

Thats a disgusting view, and I'm no shrinking violet tbh. I find it hard to comprehend your fawning attitude towards the cops in this instance.

What number do you dial when someone attacks you ?
Do you dial BLM , ACLU, or SPLC ?

If some randomer in a country with 270 million guns walked right up to you and got into your face, the first thing you would be doing is looking around for the nearest cop, the second thing would be push him out of your space...

Carfacemandog

walshb wrote: »

I don’t pay too much attention lately to everyone falling over themselves to criticise the cops at every turn. To be seen to be in the right side...

If I were the cops now I’d say, shag it, let all these do gooders who are slating us restore law and order. I’m going home.

At the rate some of them are going this situation might resolve itself better without them. Thankfully many of the police departments are suspending these people as appropriate, to avoid escalations like we have seen in Hong kong.

Plenty of instances have been grey areas. Plenty have been the fault of protesters, including attacks on journalists and medics. But plenty have also been the fault of police, and it is nothing short of dangerous to argue that rules and regulations should not apply to them.

Rodin

weldoninhio wrote: »

What percentage of crimes are carried out by white people??

You're not allowed to bring that up.
Doesn't suit the narrative.

joe40

joe40 wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Just from a few weeks ago. High profile don't know how you missed it.

Exceptions that prove the rule? I think largely men are the victims surely we can agree?

Justin Credible Darts

old fossil ignores the social distancing laws

then ignores warnings from the police

impedes oncoming riot police who are armed.

he is not shot, nor battered but pushed out of the way of the police he is impeding, but snowflakes says its the police fault.

That's right, the police forced that old man to get out of bed and join the protesters.
The police forced the old man to ignore warnings
The police forced him to impede the cops.

all the police fault it seems, nobody is responsible for their own actions, lets blame the police for everything.

Ahwell

weldoninhio wrote: »

What percentage of crimes are carried out by white people??

At a guess I would say a persons socio-economic background is more important than someones race when it comes to criminality.