George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Any police officer that kills somebody who isn’t armed with intent is a criminal. Police violence is an issue for black people in some parts of the US, usually democrat run cities like Minneapolis. Black on Black violence is a much bigger issue that is not even being acknowledged.literally dozens of black people are murdered every single day in the US by other black people.

So many black people in America live in poverty and misery. This along with the racial discrimination fuels the violent protests and looting in America every few years. There is a reason why poor people loot during protests and steal high price items.

The issue of poverty, income inequality and the dysfunctional two tiered society America has created for itself, is never addressed by their media. The two tiered society affects all the poor people there including white people.

Timberrrrrrrr

gw80 wrote: »

Have you seen the video?

I did, I hope the little scumbag is jailed for life.

BoroMan32

Look at these vermin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/status/1269630997882118144

mynamejeff

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fùcked if I know. It depends on what's said/done. You seem to have made your mind up though.

not really no , its usually a good thing to get all the information before making up your mind , asking questions is usually good ,

I don't understand why that's a bad thing in a situation involving race

Timberrrrrrrr

mynamejeff wrote: »

not really no , its usually a good thing to get all the information before making up your mind , asking questions is usually good ,

I don't understand why that's a bad thing in a situation involving race

And that's the difference between you and I

You see race, I see scum bags being scum bags. Black, white, green, not a fùck is given, bring back national service and slap some manners into them.

joe40

BoroMan32 wrote: »

Look at these vermin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/status/1269630997882118144

Plenty of white people in that crowd.
Did a quick google on colston he was a slave trader and statue was erected in 1895. It has been controversial before now.

bb12

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883?emailToken=a59a5222dd7099399cd05d0fb9b5dc52HS2k+x10CRT3w74pqbE63ZEvVXFXKR7bXYfG/AoI5WRTABP7So5G8XggNfX0B7o8Q12SOloj0vUgOkxzGIpncw%3D%3D&reflink=article_copyURL_share

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

bloodless_coup

bb12 wrote: »

[African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

Sorry you are not allowed to state that fact.

joe40

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Sorry you are not allowed to state that fact.

Why who is stopping you. I have read that stat posted regularly here.
You can have your opinion others don't have to agree. But you're still entitled to your opinion.

RasTa

BoroMan32 wrote: »

Look at these vermin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/status/1269630997882118144

Hopefully the Cromwell one next

mynamejeff

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337320



Seems Chauvin was heavy handed there too

what possible bearing could that have on weather the two men knew each other or not ?

might be she is still upset that her business was looted and burned by the "protesters"

Timberrrrrrrr

mynamejeff wrote: »

what possible bearing could that have on weather the two men knew each other or not ?

might be she is still upset that her business was looted and burned by the "protesters"

Chauvin worked there for 17byears, he sat outside in his car.

Floyd worked there a few months, they only worked Tuesdays same shift, Floyd worked inside.

Highly likely that they didnt meet.

Rodin

joe40 wrote: »

Why who is stopping you. I have read that stat posted regularly here.
You can have your opinion others don't have to agree. But you're still entitled to your opinion.

Facts need to be recognised. Not hidden.
Someone who does not recognise facts shouldn't be listened to.

iguana

mynamejeff wrote: »

what possible bearing could that have on weather the two men knew each other or not ?

I think was brought up in discussion about whether or not Chauvin knew about Floyd's past or not.

Eric Cartman

BoroMan32 wrote: »

Look at these vermin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/status/1269630997882118144

whats wrong with these people, acting as if its the fall of the USSR or some other actual rebellion against true oppression.

what happened to George Floyd was not right, but what BLM or people acting in the name of BLM are doing is also incredibly wrong. People co-opting American problems and using them as an excuse to smash up private property is wrong and deserves condemnation. If BLM were really about fighting for rights, they would be actively condemning all looting and property destruction worldwide.

Eric Cartman

bb12 wrote: »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883?emailToken=a59a5222dd7099399cd05d0fb9b5dc52HS2k+x10CRT3w74pqbE63ZEvVXFXKR7bXYfG/AoI5WRTABP7So5G8XggNfX0B7o8Q12SOloj0vUgOkxzGIpncw%3D%3D&reflink=article_copyURL_share

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

if you look at all the stats, police killing people lines up in ratios to the same ratio of races living in poverty, the majority of crime is committed by the poor, police are killing poor people , theres no over representation of any colour in police stats , only lower incomes.

Being killed by police is way down the list of things likely to cause the death of a black person, another black person is actually top of the list.

jibber5000

The element of this that confuses me is there was no evidence that this was racially motivated.

We had a white police officer, with a history of using excessive force, kneel on an African Americans neck for 8 minutes. Everyone who watched the video knows how horrendous this was. He was surrounded by 3 colleagues, one Asian, one African american and one white who failed to intervene.

At no stage was any racial slur used towards GF, he was specifically targeted by the police due to the counterfeit note allegation and there were minority colleagues watching on as he was killed.This doesn't fit to me with the narrative I've heard since his death. None of us know what Derek Chauvain was thinking at the time. Perhaps it was racially motivated but it's just as likely it was a really heavy handed police officer commiting a heinous act.

It raises a question about police training in America but how it's been spun to encompass DP in Ireland and the all out riots in the UK is absolutely bizarre.

Eric Cartman

jibber5000 wrote: »

The element of this that confuses me is there was no evidence that this was racially motivated.

We had a white police officer, with a history of using excessive force, kneel on an African Americans neck for 8 minutes. Everyone who watched the video knows how horrendous this was. He was surrounded by 3 colleagues, one Asian, one African american and one white who failed to intervene.

At no stage was any racial slur used towards GF, he was specifically targeted by the police due to the counterfeit note allegation and there were minority colleagues watching on as he was killed.This doesn't fit to me with the narrative I've heard since his death. None of us know what Derek Chauvain was thinking at the time. Perhaps it was racially motivated but it's just as likely it was a really heavy handed police officer commiting a heinous act.

It raises a question about police training in America but how it's been spun to encompass DP in Ireland and the all out riots in the UK is absolutely bizarre.

Exactly this, people saw a white cop on a black man and added race in there because they could. This is a story of a heavy handed cop getting heavy handed with a criminal, regardless of how minor europeans think that crime is, its a felony stateside. The cop was not right, George did not deserve to die, but this has become the literal definition of 'making a mountain out of a molehill' at this point.

ricero

Vile stuff tearing down that statue. This new wave ideology is becoming more and more dangerous every year. When you start to delete history you set a dangerous precedent.

Tell me how

jibber5000 wrote: »

The element of this that confuses me is there was no evidence that this was racially motivated.

We had a white police officer, with a history of using excessive force, kneel on an African Americans neck for 8 minutes. Everyone who watched the video knows how horrendous this was. He was surrounded by 3 colleagues, one Asian, one African american and one white who failed to intervene.

At no stage was any racial slur used towards GF, he was specifically targeted by the police due to the counterfeit note allegation and there were minority colleagues watching on as he was killed.This doesn't fit to me with the narrative I've heard since his death. None of us know what Derek Chauvain was thinking at the time. Perhaps it was racially motivated but it's just as likely it was a really heavy handed police officer commiting a heinous act.

It raises a question about police training in America but how it's been spun to encompass DP in Ireland and the all out riots in the UK is absolutely bizarre.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Exactly this, people saw a white cop on a black man and added race in there because they could. This is a story of a heavy handed cop getting heavy handed with a criminal, regardless of how minor europeans think that crime is, its a felony stateside. The cop was not right, George did not deserve to die, but this has become the literal definition of 'making a mountain out of a molehill' at this point.

Are you guys saying that you don't understand what systemic racism is, or that it doesn't exist?

At the moment when Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd's neck, he most likely wasn't thinking that 'I'm going to kill this black man', but when he probably heard the call from his dispatcher that 'a black mail is causing a disturbance' or whatever way it was phrased, at that point, his strategy for dealing with Floyd was probably subconsciously selected.

The reason that there is outrage and protests, is because people are recognizing that there is an inherent bias in how police forces in the US prepare to deal with potential criminals based on their race and/or the location in which they live or the crime is being committed.

KiKi III

jibber5000 wrote: »

The element of this that confuses me is there was no evidence that this was racially motivated.

We had a white police officer, with a history of using excessive force, kneel on an African Americans neck for 8 minutes. Everyone who watched the video knows how horrendous this was. He was surrounded by 3 colleagues, one Asian, one African american and one white who failed to intervene.

At no stage was any racial slur used towards GF, he was specifically targeted by the police due to the counterfeit note allegation and there were minority colleagues watching on as he was killed.This doesn't fit to me with the narrative I've heard since his death. None of us know what Derek Chauvain was thinking at the time. Perhaps it was racially motivated but it's just as likely it was a really heavy handed police officer commiting a heinous act.

It raises a question about police training in America but how it's been spun to encompass DP in Ireland and the all out riots in the UK is absolutely bizarre.

Well, there’s clear evidence of police brutality. And it comes in the context of a former cop being charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, the killing of Breonna Taylor and the attempt to criminalise a black man by Amy Cooper all in a short space of time.

Just a few years out from Tamir Rice and Travyon Brown and multiple others.

So people are inferring it’s racially motivated from context.

And sure, there is evidence of police brutality against white People and other races, but it doesn’t seem to end in tragic deaths as often.

I’ve certainly never heard of a 12 year old white kid being shot dead in seconds by police because of a toy gun.

People aren’t just protesting for George Floyd. They’re protesting for reform because this keeps happening.

joe40

ricero wrote: »

Vile stuff tearing down that statue. This new wave ideology is becoming more and more dangerous every year. When you start to delete history you set a dangerous precedent.

How is it vile. It certainly not new the IRA blew up a statue of Nelson in Dublin.

Tea drinker

RasTa wrote: »

Hopefully the Cromwell one next

people like Cromwell and Henry the Ate are revered publicly and privately in UK.
Whilst they are proudly ignorant of their history, the education system is complicit in keeping them misinformed, deliberately.

bloodless_coup

Tell me how wrote: »

It absolutely is not okay to be racist to anyone, irrespective of yours or their colour.
But, the context in which attacks occur must be appropriately considered. That goes for when someone submits a fraudulent note, or someone is stabbed in the street.

The incident in Cork was presented with zero context but there were people on here last night frothing at the mouth calling it a racist attack without knowing anything as to how it happened.

It could have been racially motivated, we might still find out that it was, but there is zero evidence to support that at this point other than it was two people of different races involved.

Bull****.

If it was white on black people would be falling over themselves to be first to condemn the attack as racist, it would be widespread reported in the media and anyone talking about context would be shouted down as racist.

joe40

KiKi III wrote: »

Well, there’s clear evidence of police brutality. And it comes in the context of a former cop being charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, the killing of Breonna Taylor and the attempt to criminalise a black man by Amy Cooper all in a short space of time.

Just a few years out from Tamir Rice and Travyon Brown and multiple others.

So people are inferring it’s racially motivated from context.

And sure, there is evidence of police brutality against white People and other races, but it doesn’t seem to end in tragic deaths as often.

I’ve certainly never heard of a 12 year old white kid being shot dead in seconds by police because of a toy gun.

People aren’t just protesting for George Floyd. They’re protesting for reform because this keeps happening.

Exactly, if Floyd was an isolated incident then you could not call it racially motivated. It is the trend and patterns over many years that people are protesting.
And it could well be the attack on Floyd wasn't racially motivated maybe Chauvin is just a psychopath killer. It is not just the killings it is the response from the authorities, the lack of accountability.

I have also heard the argument that white people suffer just as much from police brutality, well if that is the case surely these protests will ultimately benefit everyone if effective police reforms are a result.

Experience_day

Tea drinker wrote: »

people like Cromwell and Henry the Ate are revered publicly and privately in UK.
Whilst they are proudly ignorant of their history, the education system is complicit in keeping them misinformed, deliberately.

Now that's a retarded statement if I ever heard one.

Cupatae

Tell me how wrote: »

It absolutely is not okay to be racist to anyone, irrespective of yours or their colour.
But, the context in which attacks occur must be appropriately considered. That goes for when someone submits a fraudulent note, or someone is stabbed in the street.

The incident in Cork was presented with zero context but there were people on here last night frothing at the mouth calling it a racist attack without knowing anything as to how it happened.

It could have been racially motivated, we might still find out that it was, but there is zero evidence to support that at this point other than it was two people of different races involved.

Racism is being cheered on against white people this is a fact, its a complete double standard.

well there was zero to state chauvin was racially motivated, but yet its widely accepted with 0 proof. Again double standards.. it is ok to bash white people the whole BLM has the undertone of bashing of white people.

GF broke into a pregnant womans house and bashed her over the head with a pistol, but is being hailed as a martyr for black people? we completely ignore the fact that more crimes are committed by black people therefor more likely to be in conflict with police more often with more chance of incidents to occur.

Black people are being massively pandered to in the US,scholarship,places in university, job priority ect.. if a white person has a higher score the black person with a lower score is accepted into college... dont even get me started on Ireland or England... no doubt ill be branded a racist because im not pandering to the crowd and its frowned apon to speak out against anything to do with black people or blm regardless of how true it is.

blade1

They should go on hunger strike if they want to protest instead of possibly spreading disease and wreaking the place.

2u2me

Drumpot wrote: »

The issue I have with media and society is that in an effort to integrate minorities they protect them in a way that creates mistrust and anger.

Described well as "The soft bigotry of low expectations". Coined by Michael Gerson.

I've played many games over the years. Since games moved to the pay to win format they still needed to make it possible for free to play players to play.

The free to play players were always better, more skilled, more aware of strategy; because they had a tougher journey. The guys that had the easiest journey actually were the worst players.

This is a very good video I highly recommend about privilege:

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Bull****.

If it was white on black people would be falling over themselves to be first to condemn the attack as racist, it would be widespread reported in the media and anyone talking about context would be shouted down as racist.

And here’s the thing. It’s being completely led by the MSM as usual. Not a single mention of the perpetrators skin colour anywhere on the RTÉ website. I’ll be tuning into the 6 o clock news shortly to see if they say it there. They won’t. It doesn’t suit their agenda.