George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Robert ninja

RasTa wrote: »

So you met a grand total of 1?

Wasn't counting the acquaintances and discussions over my life with a clicker counter. Can only say I currently have two Muslim friends in my life as of now.

extra gravy wrote: »

Maybe ask him to explain to you what Sharia actually is.

There ya go
So looking at sharia-law countries they indeed do have less freedom, no porn and as for marriage laws... well they don't really align with what we Irish just agreed upon recently.

Das Reich

niallo27 wrote: »

What consequences are there for her.

This:

https://youtu.be/Yqmk2fRJDRc

Quantum Erasure

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I don't follow this all this much, seems like it's getting out of hand.

Apart from bringing an end to social distancing, what is the end game here? What needs to happen?

isn't that enough?

2u2me

niallo27 wrote: »

What consequences are there for her.

Shame, ostracization, lose her job, etc.. The crowd even at the end were heckling her and calling her names.

lawrencesummers

niallo27 wrote: »

I am in no way an expert in the subject but do the Indian and Asian community not face the same challenges in the US as the black community, they have to work much harder to get ahead in life.

I think your right in what you said earlier about it being a class issue more so than a particular race issue, the lower class in US society is disproportionately disadvantaged, but that class is also predominately made up of Black people. Middle class America gets a lot more Of everything than lower class

There is also the legacy of slavery which has never been addressed, Black people have been oppressed since day one in the USA. You can talk about the treatment of native Americans In many same ways, or Asians, Hispanics etc etc only that the black live matter movement is currently at the fore, the women’s movement has had previous protests, LGBT has in the past as well.

2u2me

Das Reich wrote: »

This:

FYP. It seems she was against the mob think.

Cupatae

joe40 wrote: »

Yes, but the problem is the wealth inequality that disproportionately affects black people.
You can argue that is there own fault, whatever.

The point I was making is that if if you grow up in poverty in the US your choices/opportunities are severly limited.

Wealth inequality is never going away and affects everyone... how did black people get a monopoly on this?

There was a time when this was the case for Irish people.How did we get out of it? did we riot our way to it ? this notion that black people should be given money because someones family thru out the generations has do well is ridiculous.

Where do you draw the line like? but that aside what about poor white people? or are we all magically rich now?

Its just so sickening the sympathy its not equality s trying to get ahead thru complaining rather than hard work.

Scuid Mhór

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I don't follow this all this much, seems like it's getting out of hand.

Apart from bringing an end to social distancing, what is the end game here? What needs to happen?

What? Even though I disagree with having protests in Ireland, I don't think that's what the people protesting are after. They're just showing solidarity with the American cause. That said, I think anyone going out and disregarding the social distancing measures to protest this are out of their minds and are more in it for the social clout than they are in it to effect actual social change, because surely, surely if you had any sense at all, a global pandemic would be coming first in your list or priorities. WE WERE SO CLOSE TO BEATING COVID-19 AS A COUNTRY and then they decide that going out in droves would be a good idea. How is this not criminally negligent?

As for what's happening in America -- I'm worried. When you view the Trump Presidency as a reality television show, when approval ratings are considered the same as ratings. We know Trump looks up to authoritarian figures. We know he wants to be perceived as the archetypal strongman. We know of his malignant narcissism and we know how sensitive he is. The worse these protests become - the more chaotic they become - the more likely it is he will feel the need to come down firmly on signs of dissent. Declare martial law? Bring in the military? Suspend the election? Consolidate power? Every day the last 3.5 years the Trump Administration has pushed ideologies towards the Overton Window; they have made the impossible seem easy. It Can't Happen Here, said Sinclair Lewis. We'll see. Play with fire, prepare to get burned, etc.

ThunbergsAreGo

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

What? Even though I disagree with having protests in Ireland, I don't think that's what the people protesting are after. They're just showing solidarity with the American cause. That said, I think anyone going out and disregarding the social distancing measures to protest this are out of their minds and are more in it for the social clout than they are in it to effect actual social change, because surely, surely if you had any sense at all, a global pandemic would be coming first in your list or priorities. WE WERE SO CLOSE TO BEATING COVID-19 AS A COUNTRY and then they decide that going out in droves would be a good idea. How is this not criminally negligent?

As for what's happening in America -- I'm worried. When you view the Trump Presidency as a reality television show, when approval ratings are considered the same as ratings. We know Trump looks up to authoritarian figures. We know he wants to be perceived as the archetypal strongman. We know of his malignant narcissism and we know how sensitive he is. The worse these protests become - the more chaotic they become - the more likely it is he will feel the need to come down firmly on signs of dissent. Declare martial law? Bring in the military? Suspend the election? Consolidate power? Every day the last 3.5 years the Trump Administration has pushed ideologies towards the Overton Window; they have made the impossible seem easy. It Can't Happen Here, said Sinclair Lewis. We'll see. Play with fire, prepare to get burned, etc.

Oh I 100 percent agree about the distancing

joe40

Cupatae wrote: »

Wealth inequality is never going away and affects everyone... how did black people get a monopoly on this?

There was a time when this was the case for Irish people.How did we get out of it? did we riot our way to it ? this notion that black people should be given money because someones family thru out the generations has do well is ridiculous.

Where do you draw the line like? but that aside what about poor white people? or are we all magically rich now?

Its just so sickening the sympathy its not equality s trying to get ahead thru complaining rather than hard work.

The start of the troubles in NI was housing demonstrations in 1968 Derry. They were baton charged by the RUC and the rest is history.

Yes when we were faced with injustice we absolutely fought back and there were known to be a few riots along the way.

Poverty in America seems inescapable for all people regardless of colour, I'll give you that.
The American dream is largely an illusion.

2u2me

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Every day the last 3.5 years the Trump Administration has pushed ideologies towards the Overton Window; they have made the impossible seem easy.

"When they go low, we go high" If only they had listened.

niallo27

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I think your right in what you said earlier about it being a class issue more so than a particular race issue, the lower class in US society is disproportionately disadvantaged, but that class is also predominately made up of Black people. Middle class America gets a lot more Of everything than lower class

There is also the legacy of slavery which has never been addressed, Black people have been oppressed since day one in the USA. You can talk about the treatment of native Americans In many same ways, or Asians, Hispanics etc etc only that the black live matter movement is currently at the fore, the women’s movement has had previous protests, LGBT has in the past as well.

My point was that Indian and Asian people work their way out of poverty on a larger scale than the black community do.

Tell me how

Cupatae wrote: »

Wealth inequality is never going away and affects everyone... how did black people get a monopoly on this?

There was a time when this was the case for Irish people.How did we get out of it? did we riot our way to it ? this notion that black people should be given money because someones family thru out the generations has do well is ridiculous.

Where do you draw the line like? but that aside what about poor white people? or are we all magically rich now?

Its just so sickening the sympathy its not equality s trying to get ahead thru complaining rather than hard work.

This post has no basis in reality.

It is in fact quite infuriating to see someone lament the cause of poor white people when conversations on Boards about social welfare applicants in Ireland descend in to stereotyping within the first 5 posts, if not at the very post title itself.

It is outright insulting to claim that black people are trying to get ahead through complaining rather than hard work. People whose predecessors were largely slaves are against the concept of hardwork?
Incredible

Odhinn

niallo27 wrote: »

My point was that Indian and Asian people work their way out of poverty on a larger scale than the black community do.

The facts are that white unemployment is currently 12.4 % in comparison to black unemployment at just 16.8%.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/06/04/black-unemployment-2020-joblessness-compounds-anguish-over-brutality/3138521001/


The notion of the "lazy negro" should be dismissed from modern discussions.

Eric Cartman

niallo27 wrote: »

My point was that Indian and Asian people work their way out of poverty on a larger scale than the black community do.

its a difference between fast money and slow money. One of the main reasons asians and jews tend to end up really wealthy is they are usually taught about the power of slow money from a very young age,

by slow money I mean an asian immigrant comes in to the country and works at a petrol station, learns the business, saves almost every penny , maybe gets promoted to manager , saves even longer and then gets a lease on a petrol station, trains his sons to do the same and by the time he retires the family has 3 petrol stations all generating income and now everyone is looked after, took 40 years but now the family is set and can earn money indefinitely. The first generation migrants bare the brunt so their kids know little hardship and their grandkids almost none, throw a few college degrees in there and you have a well financed family.

in poor white and black communities throughout most of the world, nobody is ever taught about slow money, theres no planning, its just "I make 1500 a month, time to take out a 600 a month car loan and buy a Gucci bag now"

when people say jews and asians focus on education its true, but rarely specify that its financial education is the saviour.
Changing school curriculums to teach people about money and encourage savings to invest could fix the imbalance in a generation or two.

weldoninhio

joe40 wrote: »

The start of the troubles in NI was housing demonstrations in 1968 Derry. They were baton charged by the RUC and the rest is history.

Yes when we were faced with injustice we absolutely fought back and there were known to be a few riots along the way.

Poverty in America seems inescapable for all people regardless of colour, I'll give you that.
The American dream is largely an illusion.

The Irish in the north rioted to demand equality, something blacks in US already have. The second part of what they did was get educated, something blacks in the US have the option of.

extra gravy

Robert ninja wrote: »

Wasn't counting the acquaintances and discussions over my life with a clicker counter. Can only say I currently have two Muslim friends in my life as of now.

There ya go
So looking at sharia-law countries they indeed do have less freedom, no porn and as for marriage laws... well they don't really align with what we Irish just agreed upon recently.

"Except some of it is not what's it supposed to". So there are extreme interpretations of it. that doesn't mean the law itself is extreme. This article talks about how it's misinterpreted by Westerners:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4409437/sharia-law-xenophobia/%3famp=true

2u2me

Does anyone know how difficult you have to work as an asian to get into an institution like Harvard? They are inundated with applications with the highest marks from asians, and to keep their racial equity numbers in line they largely dismiss them for 'character flaws' despite having the highest marks.
You could say a black person only has to work a fraction(However large or small) of how much an Asian has to work to get into the same institution.

When they lost their case all of the left wing 'liberal' media absolutely loved the result.

This wasn't about fairness and equality of opportunity.
They want equality of outcome. They're willing to chop the legs off people for their equality. Imagine saying to the Jewish Nobel prize winners; please stop winning prizes it makes everyone else look bad.

https://time.com/5546463/harvard-admissions-trial-asian-american-students/

Robert ninja

extra gravy wrote: »

"Except some of it is not what's it supposed to". So there are extreme interpretations of it. that doesn't mean the law itself is extreme. This article talks about how it's misinterpreted by Westerners:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4409437/sharia-law-xenophobia/%3famp=true

Ah yes us silly westerners just don't understand it. :rolleyes:

The only thing you need to look at when it comes it Islam and sharia law is the countries it has most control in, which Muslims don't even want to live in.

extra gravy

Robert ninja wrote: »

Ah yes us silly westerners just don't understand it. :rolleyes:

The only thing you need to look at when it comes it Islam and sharia law is the countries it has most control in, which Muslims don't even want to live in.

Did you read the article?

eire4

joe40 wrote: »

The start of the troubles in NI was housing demonstrations in 1968 Derry. They were baton charged by the RUC and the rest is history.

Yes when we were faced with injustice we absolutely fought back and there were known to be a few riots along the way.

Poverty in America seems inescapable for all people regardless of colour, I'll give you that.
The American dream is largely an illusion.

No question the so called America dream is largely an illusion and economic mobility rates in the USA are among the worst of any developed nation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aparnamathur/2018/07/16/the-u-s-does-poorly-on-yet-another-metric-of-economic-mobility/#6a4b6caf6a7b

bb12

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I don't follow this all this much, seems like it's getting out of hand.

Apart from bringing an end to social distancing, what is the end game here? What needs to happen?

once everyone is back at work and have their bosses breathing down their necks again this will be forgotten very quickly

Robert ninja

extra gravy wrote: »

Did you read the article?

Unimpressed. Tries to justify it by comparing it to Jewish writings which are just as bad and actually have special censorious protections in the US.

I've got zero respect for the Islamic death cult or any of its laws. Ireland's had enough weird men in funny hats bum f'ing our children while claiming they know god's will.

lawrencesummers

niallo27 wrote: »

My point was that Indian and Asian people work their way out of poverty on a larger scale than the black community do.

And you can back this up with what exactly?

lawrencesummers

weldoninhio wrote: »

The Irish in the north rioted to demand equality, something blacks in US already have. The second part of what they did was get educated, something blacks in the US have the option of.

There is a wealth of ignorance in that statement.

Cupatae

Tell me how wrote: »

This post has no basis in reality.

It is in fact quite infuriating to see someone lament the cause of poor white people when conversations on Boards about social welfare applicants in Ireland descend in to stereotyping within the first 5 posts, if not at the very post title itself.

It is outright insulting to claim that black people are trying to get ahead through complaining rather than hard work. People whose predecessors were largely slaves are against the concept of hardwork?
Incredible

Its outright insulting to say that theres some magical system thats stopping all black people from getting ahead, when all this is said and done what should black people have that they dont have now?

The only problem i see is police brutality needs to be more harshly punished.

Talk about having no basis... bringing up slavery in a modern context... the native americans are in with a good shout if were compensating races based off the past.

Kermit.de.frog

The usual suspects always waiting to fan flames.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1269705670670114816



https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1269709925363654660

xtal191

https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1269706582801203200

https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1269714965415497730

https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1269726006593683461

https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1269734219380654080

Mad_maxx

2u2me wrote: »

Globally, Jews represent less than 0.20%(about 15million) of the world’s population, but they have won 170 Nobel Prizes in total and the following shares of individual Nobel prizes:

• Economics: 41% (more than 205 times their share of the population)
• Medicine: 28% (more than 140 times their share of the population)
• Physics: 26% (more than 130 times their share of the population)
• Chemistry: 19% (more than 95 times their share of the population)
• Literature: 13% (more than 65 times their share of the population)
• Peace: 9% (more than 45 times their share of the population)

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/interesting-fact-of-the-day-jews-have-won-a-disproportionate-share-of-nobel-prizes/

I'm sure most people wouldn't say they have some super genetics, but that it's because of the importance their culture places on education.

jews are famously hopeless at sport , in fact its an in joke amongst jews

you cant be good at everything

Cupatae

https://theliberal.ie/opinion-if-footage-had-shown-a-black-teen-being-beaten-and-stabbed-by-whites-it-would-have-been-a-national-scandal-and-had-government-attention/

Wait till white lives are allowed there turn to matter there ll be uproar over this!