George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Tokyo

Deleted User wrote: »

You really are a disgusting person. You are now trying to trivialize the stabbing of a child in cork by a black gang. While the child was bleeding on the ground unable to move he was stabbed three more times in the back while they recorded and laughed at him.

You should be banned for that comment alone.

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Don't get sarcasm do you?

You have no idea what you're talking about, much like the rest of your little gang here. Your post is absolutely, 100% wrong but thats a recurring theme. But sure, lets go over all the old arguments from earlier in the thread and keep going around in circles. Its pointless debating with you and your ilk, skulls are too thick.

Mod: cut it out, both of you.

Overheal

JJayoo wrote: »

Cops should all strike for a week, see how that goes

They’ve done slowdowns in NYC before. Nobody seemed to notice and society still functioned.

JJayoo

Overheal wrote: »

They’ve done slowdowns in NYC before. Nobody seemed to notice and society still functioned.

'slowdown' does not equal a strike.

Of course I don't actually want a full strike it would end up like that film the purge, but it seems that people in these protests have forgotten all the hard work the cops do to keep society running.

Imagine if you were a young person thinking about becoming a cop in the states...not a fcuking hope

ThewhiteJesus

funny how these same cops were the heroes after 9/11

Nermal

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/status/1269706510352908290

Defunded police.

Good for nothing but harrasing people for the pronouns they use in their tweets.

~Rebel~

Paddygreen wrote: »

The time is ripe for white people to seek forgiveness. I am in the city center at the moment doing some protest performance art with my homies and every time we see a black person we apologise profusely for the sins of our toxic white forefathers, I should have put a belt on in hindsight and my durag keeps falling off ( doing a bit of breakdancing for justice) I am so ashamed but content in the knowledge that I am on a quest for atonement.

Out of curiosity, what makes someone post like this?

Dyr

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Ha! Well, given that only 1 out of every 100 police officers that murders someone is actually prosecuted, they’re doing alright for themselves!

Nobody has a problem with appropriate force - it’s the in-numerous incidents of inappropriate force that people tend to be upset about.

Say the fella who claims that every fatality is a murder

gerrup the yard

na1

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Not at all sure what your point is?

Black people are hit disproportionately hard by a dysfunctional police, but the police are not only dysfunctional for Black people...

Do you have numbers to back your words?
What is the proportion of the crime rate among blacks?

If you take 100 white robbers and 100 black robbers, would the 100 black robbers being beaten more?

~Rebel~

Bambi wrote: »

Say the fella who claims that every fatality is a murder

gerrup the yard

Are you going to argue the point? Or just deflect?

peddlelies

Overheal wrote: »

They’ve done slowdowns in NYC before. Nobody seemed to notice and society still functioned.

Society would fall apart without a police presence. I hope you're never in the position where you hear the glass shatter at 3am while lying in bed.

Dyr

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Are you going to argue the point? Or just deflect?

Are you going to continue to claim that 100th cop in America is a murderer?

Tell me how

peddlelies wrote: »

Society would fall apart without a police presence. I hope you're never in the position where you hear the glass shatter at 3am while lying in bed.

Like Breonna Taylor experienced?

There needs to be a police force.
It needs to serve the community, not dominate it.
Funding should be prioritised for social involvement, mental health supports, community engagement, education and employment initiatives.
If all these services are more prevalent, the need for police (and particularly those with heavy weaponry) will not be as great.

ohnonotgmail

peddlelies wrote: »

Society would fall apart without a police presence. I hope you're never in the position where you hear the glass shatter at 3am while lying in bed.

if that happened i might get lucky and they turn up the following afternoon.

Overheal

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

funny how these same cops were the heroes after 9/11

With all due ****ing respect, practically none of these officers were first responders to 9/11. Most of the first responders to 9/11, if they aren’t already dead, are still sick and dying from terminal illnesses related to asbestos exposure.

JJayoo

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what makes someone post like this?

Loneliness, need for attention

Overheal

na1 wrote: »

Do you have numbers to back your words?
What is the proportion of the crime rate among blacks?

If you take 100 white robbers and 100 black robbers, would the 100 black robbers being beaten more?

Not even a question. They would.

Paddygreen

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what makes someone post like this?

A strong sense of social justice bruv.

walshb

Folks need to stop using the word disproportionately here......

Cops target behaviors. End of....

If certain ethnicities are involved in certain behaviors that cops are targeting, then they can expect to be targeted...

It's real simple.

Overheal

peddlelies wrote: »

Society would fall apart without a police presence. I hope you're never in the position where you hear the glass shatter at 3am while lying in bed.

That’s what the 12-gauge is for.

That’s exactly the situation Breonna Taylor and her boyfriend found themselves in. An armed gang smashed into their home in the dead of night. Didn’t announce themselves, identify themselves, wear uniforms iirc or even wear body cameras, yet they were there to execute a search warrant for, of all things, drugs, relating to a suspect who didn’t even live there. The nerve of them to charge the boyfriend with attempted murder while afaik no officer has been charged with murdering Breonna.

Indeed nobody should be in that position where at 3 am the cops come and invade your home. Laws for me but not thee

peddlelies

Cherry picking single examples doesn't change reality. Without police or with a significantly reduced police force crime will go up, it's that simple.

shaveAbullock

peddlelies wrote: »

Cherry picking single examples doesn't change reality. Without police or with a significantly reduced police force crime will go up, it's that simple.

Not if everyone exercises their second amendment rights, it removes the need for a police force.

Overheal

peddlelies wrote: »

Cherry picking single examples doesn't change reality. Without police or with a significantly reduced police force crime will go up, it's that simple.

Cherry picking???

~Rebel~

na1 wrote: »

Do you have numbers to back your words?
What is the proportion of the crime rate among blacks?

If you take 100 white robbers and 100 black robbers, would the 100 black robbers being beaten more?

For broad societal studies, these are all quite good and informative;
https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/46946_CH_3.pdf

https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-unjust-burden-racial-disparities.pdf

https://www.asanet.org/sites/default/files/savvy/images/press/docs/pdf/ASARaceCrime.pdf

This is also an excellent resource; https://www.sentencingproject.org/issues/racial-disparity/

So that’s the broad societal figures and studies, and if you just want one (of many) example, as a snapshot, you can look at Chase Legleitner and Lamar Lloyd. Chase is white, and Lamar is black. Both young guys (19 and 21), both committed armed robbery, with both charges being judged as 138.2 ‘sentencing points’ (which means they were considered equivalent crimes). Both guys also had the same record - one misdemeanour apiece. They were also tried by the same judge within the same year. So we can agree things are looking quite similar, aside from skin colour. The only actual difference from there is that Chase gave up some info he had about other low level drug dealers, which one could understand would help a little with sentencing, naturally. But the actual sentences? 2 years for Chase. 26 years for Lamar.

na1

Overheal wrote: »

Not even a question. They would.

Proof?

peddlelies

Overheal wrote: »

Cherry picking???

Yes, the incident you describe was wrong and unfortunate but you easily push aside the millions of home burglaries a year in the US police are called out to deal with, many of which with frightened home owners still inside.

Stop letting emotion rule your every thought and start looking at crime statistics.

Manic Moran

Peregrinus wrote: »

No, they won't. The high police budges are being spent in ways that make the situation worse. Helicopters, armoured vehicle, massive force, paramilitary training and tactics - these don't just fail to solve socio-economic problems and crises; they tend to exacerbate them.

The hardware is needed, there's no two ways around it. There are few police forces in the world (which can afford them) which do not have armored vehicles, helicopters, etc. The difference is that other nations tend use them a lot less.The effect you seek can be achieved by a much tighter reign on when the hardware is used. That's a matter of policy and control, not a matter of funding.

Further, using them less will decrease expenses anyway. Rolling and maintaining an MRAP (especially if it's one of the cheap ex-military ones) costs a lot more than rolling and maintaining a Ford Transit.

Overheal

White House to Tear Down This Wall around the premises. Trump got called a #bunkerbitch so he erected over a mile of safe space fencing around his house. But now demonstrators have converted it into a memorial, with posters and writings and images of hundreds of cases of police brutality and unjust murders. Can’t have that!

Everything Trump has done to pretend he controls this situation has blown up in his face as spectacle. His strong arming to scare protesters into shutting up and going home resulted in bigger crowds, and by many reports people who were hit by less lethal rounds, pepper sprayed and tear gassed, aren’t giving up, rather they are even more motivated to be out there.

The vast majority of Americans in new polling support the protests whether democrat or republican or independent, despite being split on the peacefulness or violence of the marches. Trumps approval rating is at Jimmy Carter levels - a 1-term president often derided as an embarrassing failure. 2/3rds of Americans disapprove of the job he is doing.

Overheal

na1 wrote: »

Proof?

You should look up the arrest of Dylan Roof. Include Burger King in your search terms.

na1

~Rebel~ wrote: »

For broad societal studies, these are all quite good and informative;
https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/46946_CH_3.pdf

https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-unjust-burden-racial-disparities.pdf

https://www.asanet.org/sites/default/files/savvy/images/press/docs/pdf/ASARaceCrime.pdf

This is also an excellent resource; https://www.sentencingproject.org/issues/racial-disparity/

So that’s the broad societal figures and studies, and if you just want one (of many) example, as a snapshot, you can look at Chase Legleitner and Lamar Lloyd. Chase is white, and Lamar is black. Both young guys (19 and 21), both committed armed robbery, with both charges being judged as 138.2 ‘sentencing points’ (which means they were considered equivalent crimes). Both guys also had the same record - one misdemeanour apiece. They were also tried by the same judge within the same year. So we can agree things are looking quite similar, aside from skin colour. The only actual difference from there is that Chase gave up some info he had about other low level drug dealers, which one could understand would help a little with sentencing, naturally. But the actual sentences? 2 years for Chase. 26 years for Lamar.

I still didn't get any numbers from your links. Just words of 'racists' & 'discrimination'

The two cases you mentioned do not make the statistics
O. J. Simpson was pleaded not guilty for the murder of his ex wife.

~Rebel~

peddlelies wrote: »

Yes, the incident you describe was wrong and unfortunate but you easily push aside the millions of home burglaries a year in the US police are called out to deal with, many of which with frightened home owners still inside.

Stop letting emotion rule your every thought and start looking at crime statistics.

On the subject of frightened people calling the police because they’re afraid of a stranger, in the US 1 in every 3 people killed by a stranger, is killed by a police officer. To reiterate, in the US, 33% of the time that someone doesn’t personally know their killer, it’s a cop.

Mad, eh?

Source; https://granta.com/violence-in-blue/
Plenty more little terrifying tidbits in there too.