George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

MeMen2_MoRi_

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if a cop, who is surrounded by dozens of other cops, cannot handle an old man coming towards him without resorting to pushing then they dont deserve to be a cop. if they thought he was trying to grab their gun they should have arrested him. saying that he was trying to take their gun is a post-facto justification for police brutality. the cop in question never mentioned an attempt to take his gun.

Don't forget when the PD tweeted about the incident, they said the man "tripped and fell".

Overheal

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You view is so narrow minded sitting on your arm chair behind a computer,

The police had been removing crowds and protestors some they have come under attack , some of there work mates have been killed in the last few days They are also following orders ,
Do you really think they have the time to stop to speak to every protestor that gets in there way, ??

People where told where told to move on this man didn't he came forward again he lifted his hand toward a police mans service weapon ,

He is out calling a end to white privilege so why would he be treated like anyone else ?

The police shoved him away they did not mean for him to fall and hurt his head,

Where is the common sense here, the man was in the wrong not the police ,

Are you posting from Lafayette Square or something?

The common sense here is the police were wrong. Even the right wing got this right. Rush ****ing Limbaugh got this right. Jeanine Pirro got this right. How do you not??

zpehtsfd

Foxtrol wrote: »

It is the Trump sense of manliness. Pick on those weaker than you. Unfortunately it seems to also pervade many of the police forces in the US

The vitriol flowing through your posts is really worrying. Did something happen to you personally?

KiKi III

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Don't forget when the PD tweeted about the incident, they said the man "tripped and fell".

The cover up makes it so much worse.

How do they not know there are cameras everywhere at these protests?

And not just phone footage this time either, a professional crew caught it.

yourdeadwright

KiKi III wrote: »

Sorry, are you making the bizarre argument that we should be satisfied that a white person is being victimised by police in the same way a black person might be?

That that’s somehow a victory for racial justice?

Because the protests are aimed at treating black people with more humanity and respect, not treating white people with less.

If the police officer was not capable of controlling his emotions due to tiredness or the stress of the situation, he shouldn’t have been there.

You’re welcome to say it was the man’s fault as many times as you want, that cop is losing his job and rightfully so.

Give over will ye he pushed a bloke out of the way that should not have been there, a man reaching out towards his weapon ,

Again the man was lucky he was not shot ,

joe40

KiKi III wrote: »

It’s almost as though it doesn’t take much of a push to seriously injure someone in their 70s

Here is another, let's see them defend this one. Happened in salt lake city

https://youtu.be/MMXnFOvN0Ts

Worth a watch, from about 2 mins in. At least the cops help him up again.

yourdeadwright

Overheal wrote: »

Are you posting from Lafayette Square or something?

The common sense here is the police were wrong. Even the right wing got this right. Rush ****ing Limbaugh got this right. Jeanine Pirro got this right. How do you not??

Common sense, ok which of the below would be seen as common sense , i'll give you and A and a B option

A. To comply with a simple police order and to leave the area like everyone else and move out of the way of on coming police force ,

B. Ignore the police asking you to move, continue to walk towards them and raise your hand toward one of there fire arms ,


A simple A or B answer

KiKi III

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Give over will ye he pushed a bloke out of the way that should not have been there, a man reaching out towards his weapon ,

Again the man was lucky he was not shot ,

Why didn’t he just arrest the man?

There is no suggestion the man reached for his weapon, that’s just something you’ve made up.

Anyway, I hope this guy’s next job is loading boxes onto trucks or something else that requires minimal contact with the public.

The streets are safer without cops like him.

As for the 75yo, I’m sure the payout he’s going to get will see him
Through his remaining years very comfortably.

yourdeadwright

Christy42 wrote: »

Yes. He is obviously incapable of his job. Do you know how many people have bumped into the street? Do you know how many I have pushed over?

If he shouldn't be there then arrest him. That is generally meant to be what happens if you break the law and are not a physical threat. The first sign of violence is the police pushing the man over. Police should not escalate.

incorrect issues arouse from the man lifting his arm towards the police officers fire arm,

yourdeadwright

KiKi III wrote: »

Why didn’t he just arrest the man?

There is no suggestion the man reached for his weapon, that’s just something you’ve made up.

Anyway, I hope this guy’s next job is loading boxes onto trucks or something else that requires minimal contact with the public.

The streets are safer without cops like him.

As for the 75yo, I’m sure the payout he’s going to get will see him
Through his remaining years very comfortably.

Have you got eyes ? do they work ?

The mans right hand is lifted towards the officers weapon it may even touch it its that close,

The man should have done what he was told in the first place ,

Deebles McBeebles

yourdeadwright wrote: »

incorrect issues arouse from the man lifting his arm towards the police officers fire arm,

You are the only one claiming that. Even the police aren't trying that line.

Overheal

joe40 wrote: »

Here is another, let's see them defend this one. Happened in salt lake city

https://youtu.be/MMXnFOvN0Ts

Worth a watch, from about 2 mins in. At least the cops help him up again.

Ah now they feared for their lives; he shouldn’t have been there; the cane was a rebel hacking device for downloading police emails off their walkie talkies

Overheal

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Common sense, ok which of the below would be seen as common sense , i'll give you and A and a B option

A. To comply with a simple police order and to leave the area like everyone else and move out of the way of on coming police force ,

B. Ignore the police asking you to move, continue to walk towards them and raise your hand toward one of there fire arms ,


A simple A or B answer

False dichotomy that excludes the man’s first assembly right of protest. Nice.

MeMen2_MoRi_

KiKi III wrote: »

The cover up makes it so much worse.

How do they not know there are cameras everywhere at these protests?

And not just phone footage this time either, a professional crew caught it.

As we've seen with the 10 minute video of George's last minutes they don't give a fcuk that the cameras are there or not, the badge comes with near immunity.
If there was no cameras there for this incident the story would be "old man trips and bangs head and cops/national guard administer first aid while waiting for paramedics" we'd be none the wiser thinking the story is plausible.
That's one thing trump and the others trying to give a defence to this, what story was giving to the PD by the cops involved, why did the PD tweet out the man tripped and fell, he clearly doesn't trip and fall of his own accord.

ohnonotgmail

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Have you got eyes ? do they work ?

The mans right hand is lifted towards the officers weapon it may even touch it its that close,

The man should have done what he was told in the first place ,

he was holding a phone in his right hand the whole time. he never touches the officers gun or even comes close to it. tell us at what point in the video he may have touched it. bear in mind the officers firearm is on his right hip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE

ohnonotgmail

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

As we've seen with the 10 minute video of George's last minutes they don't give a fcuk that the cameras are there or not, the badge comes with near immunity.
If there was no cameras there for this incident the story would be "old man trips and bangs head and cops/national guard administer first aid while waiting for paramedics" we'd be none the wiser thinking the story is plausible.
That's one thing trump and the others trying to give a defence to this, what story was giving to the PD by the cops involved, why did the PD tweet out the man tripped and fell, he clearly doesn't trip and fall of his own accord.

that was the statement of the buffalo pd before they knew there was video of the event.

yourdeadwright

Overheal wrote: »

Ah now they feared for their lives; he shouldn’t have been there; the cane was a rebel hacking device for downloading police emails off their walkie talkies

Your above statement shows how your mind works,
Why would you assume someone's view of two completely separate incidents would be the same ?

Its quite clear you are anti police and are not looking at the incidents on its own merit , you assume people are narrow minded like yourself and if they side with the police on one incident they will on all incidents ,

Its ok to say police are wrong in one case and right in another,

joe40

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Give over will ye he pushed a bloke out of the way that should not have been there, a man reaching out towards his weapon ,

Again the man was lucky he was not shot ,

Yeah you're right probably lucky he wasn't shot. You do realize that is the actual problem with policing I'm the US.

Overheal

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your above statement shows how your mind works,
Why would you assume someone's view of two completely separate incidents would be the same ?

Its quite clear you are anti police and are not looking at the incidents on its own merit , you assume people are narrow minded like yourself and if they side with the police on one incident they will on all incidents ,

Its ok to say police are wrong in one case and right in another,

Give it a shot so. I didn’t actually hear you say anything critical of the officers in either situation.

yourdeadwright

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he was holding a phone in his right hand the whole time. he never touches the officers gun or even comes close to it. tell us at what point in the video he may have touched it. bear in mind the officers firearm is on his right hip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE

Ye he's holding a phone but he moving his arm waist height across the officer ,From training as police or military you can not let him get that close to your side arm ,Remember its not Ireland Police get killed all the time in the states,,

Also In the video you can see he was pushed, he was not violently slammed on the ground or intentionally knocked over , The police man was well within his right and the man was in the wrong ,

yourdeadwright

Overheal wrote: »

Give it a shot so. I didn’t actually hear you say anything critical of the officers in either situation.

I see you didn't answer my very simple A or B question on common sense,

ohnonotgmail

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Ye he's holding a phone but he moving his arm waist height across the officer ,From training as police or military you can not let him get that close to your side arm ,Remember its not Ireland Police get killed all the time in the states,,

Also In the video you can see he was pushed, he was not violently slammed on the ground or intentionally knocked over , The police man was well within his right and the man was in the wrong ,

at point in the video does he come close to touching the officers firearm? be specific. he does move his arm but towards the officers left side. the firearm is on his right side.

MeMen2_MoRi_

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that was the statement of the buffalo pd before they knew there was video of the event.

It's either a case of officers lying to their PD about the events that actually unfolded or the PD covering up the events. The story even with out video evidence should never of been "the man tripped and fell".

Overheal

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I see you didn't answer my very simple A or B question on common sense,

I did: that it was a false dichotomy. Let’s try another pick A or B very simple:

A. Kick your wife in the face

B. Bake a cat in the oven

Remember it’s a very simple question so if you can’t answer it will be held against you :rolleyes:

joe40

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Ye he's holding a phone but he moving his arm waist height across the officer ,From training as police or military you can not let him get that close to your side arm ,Remember its not Ireland Police get killed all the time in the states,,

Also In the video you can see he was pushed, he was not violently slammed on the ground or intentionally knocked over , The police man was well within his right and the man was in the wrong ,

No one with a shred of human decency could support that policeman's action.

I'm actually surprised there are people here trying to do so.

yourdeadwright

Overheal wrote: »

I did: that it was a false dichotomy. Let’s try another pick A or B very simple:

A. Kick your wife in the face

B. Bake a cat in the oven

Remember it’s a very simple question so if you can’t answer it will be held against you :rolleyes:

The man’s first assembly right of protest does not mean he can do it where ever he wants ,

He was not arrested because of his first assembly right as he had the right to protest but the police can put " light restriction" on this right for a numerous reason , moving him else where to stop serious disruption or damage is one of those reason's

Overheal

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The man should have done what he was told in the first place ,

This line is also gas considering he was only given a verbal instructions milliseconds before having his skull cracked open like a kinder egg

Foxtrol

zpehtsfd wrote: »

The vitriol flowing through your posts is really worrying. Did something happen to you personally?

Telling that you're more worried about my 'vitriol' than police putting a peaceful pensioner in the hospital with a serious head injury.

Overheal

joe40 wrote: »

No one with a shred of human decency could support that policeman's action.

I'm actually surprised there are people here trying to do so.

Professional contrarians

yourdeadwright

Overheal wrote: »

I did: that it was a false dichotomy. Let’s try another pick A or B very simple:

A. Kick your wife in the face

B. Bake a cat in the oven

Remember it’s a very simple question so if you can’t answer it will be held against you :rolleyes:

I don't have a cat but what's funny about anyone kicking there wife in the face .
Very mature,