George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Bannasidhe

Overheal wrote: »

Valid point. I guess since people live here now though and have seen generations of systemic oppression it’s hard to accept the argument, today, that the system is hunky dory, based even just on what’s been unfolding. As for Caribbeans who recently migrated to England theyre at a hell of stretch of the imagination I would think, but perhaps I’m missing something.

Windrush pretty much sums up how the authorities in the UK view Afro-Caribbeans.

Christy42

2u2me wrote: »

Any chance you could share your calculations with the rest of us?

I mean if you are de funding the police of 193 that should save a decent chunk. Though some put it at 189 million it seems to be around there. Just Google Minneapolis police department budget. https://www.google.com/search?q=Minneapolis+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

The total budget was 1.6 billion for the city. 55million is not a massive proportion of that to spread around especially when you are making big savings on the police.

Here are some of the details of the budget. Interesting to see African Americans bring up complaints of increasing the police force last December as well and look for money in community programs instead.

https://kstp.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-passes-16-billion-budget-more-police-officers-included/5576492/

Ardillaun

As David Petraeus points out here, it is beyond weird that African-American soldiers can still find themselves in US military bases named after Confederate generals.

It is time to remove the names of traitors like Benning and Bragg from our country’s most important military installations.

...Fort Bragg and most of the other posts in question were established either during World War I, at one peak of the Lost Cause movement, or in the early 1940s, as the country was feverishly gearing up for World War II. Army leaders, to say nothing of political figures at the time, undoubtedly wanted to ingratiate themselves with the southern states in which the forts were located. They bowed to—and in many cases shared—the Lost Cause nostalgia that also sponsored so much civilian statuary, street naming, and memorial building from the end of Reconstruction through the 1930s, when the trend tapered off but did not end completely. In many cases, the Army’s sentiments simply mirrored those of the society it served.

For an organization designed to win wars to train for them at installations named for those who led a losing force is sufficiently peculiar, but when we consider the cause for which these officers fought, we begin to penetrate the confusion of Civil War memory. These bases are, after all, federal installations, home to soldiers who swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. The irony of training at bases named for those who took up arms against the United States, and for the right to enslave others, is inescapable to anyone paying attention. Now, belatedly, is the moment for us to pay such attention.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/take-confederate-names-off-our-army-bases/612832/

Overheal

kildare lad wrote: »

Your talking out your arse, the ones that came here ,came from Africa , they got given free houses , medical cards, children's allowance , does that sound like systemic oppression. Do you honestly think blacks who are born in Dublin in the last 20 years are oppressed ?

You accuse me of talking out of my ass yet we are in complete agreement in our two posts? Throttle it back..

Overheal

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Windrush pretty much sums up how the authorities in the UK view Afro-Caribbeans.

Ah that’s messed up.

2u2me

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Windrush pretty much sums up how the authorities in the UK view Afro-Caribbeans.

If windrush shows how the UK view Afro-Caribbeans, does the Japaneses internment camps show how the US view Asians?(which you didn't mention earlier)

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Although the Chinese were treated appallingly they, or any other Asians, were never slaves. They were never considered livestock. They did not have laws enacted just to keep them segregated from white Americans.

"Japanese Americans and other Asians in the U.S. had suffered for decades from prejudice and racially-motivated fear. Laws preventing Asian Americans from owning land, voting, testifying against whites in court, and other racially discriminatory laws existed long before World War II."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066

Overheal

Ardillaun wrote: »

As David Petraeus points out here, it is beyond weird that African-American soldiers can still find themselves in US military bases named after Confederate generals.

Trump has threatened to block any such change. So we won’t see it happen for another year

Then again if protests keep up like this he might not have much of a choice if he favors re election.

Overheal

for those interested this entire youtube series is about policing problems in the usa

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO79iP69FaZNwKCVkjpz2HA9zwZin6vfT

2u2me

Eric Weinstein talks about Daniel Shaver and Tony Timpa who were both killed on video because instructions given by police were not possible to be carried out without error.

We all know it would have been painted as racist had those men been black.

"If I can't tell you you're wrong; you're not my equal"

He breaks down the Floyd situation from an interesting angle here.

Manic Moran

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Terminator Cop does not quit until he gets his man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1He2En2Zts

Well, glad to see that the police get as much support in the UK as they do in the US.

Not only do they not in any way attempt to help, but they mock the officer. A**holes.

I would like to think more citizens would be wiling to pitch in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqAtdo19rUE

,

https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-man-tackles-fleeing-suspect-like-nfl-hardest-hits-to-aid-police-officer

,

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/man-praised-a-hero-for-crash-tackling-offender-as-he-walks-his-dog/news-story/6256775c7ee1ffebbf689d98add20115

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrt1ERPWrqQ

for better examples. There is still some hope.

But, no, if they get harassed and mocked for trying to do their job, no wonder they're going to feel disassociated from society. It's not just the police separating themselves from the citizenry, it works the other way as well.

HalloweenJack

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53002805

This is surely Trump stoking the fires. Instead of listening and doing something that is relatively simple (compared to addressing attitude problems in the police forces, systemic racism, etc.), he gets riled up and doubles down. He is not interested in even attempting to heal the country's open wounds.

On the other hand, this guy gets it:

In an op-ed on Tuesday backing the idea, retired four-star US Army general David Petraeus wrote of his time at Fort Bragg: "The irony of training at bases named for those who took up arms against the United States, and for the right to enslave others, is inescapable to anyone paying attention."

ThunbergsAreGo

Christy42 wrote: »

The police budget for this year alone is 193million. So they should be able to handle 55 million easily enough really.

What about the owners of the properties, the businesses etc?

joe40

kildare lad wrote: »

I've read up a good bit about Churchill and he'd no love for Irish people , told Collins hed reinvade if he didn't sort out the anti treaty IRA. But if I went to England I wouldn't go demanding his statue or cromwells statue to be taken down. You're in their country, if you don't like it tough sh*t. None of the blacks in England are descended from slaves , their parents or grandparents werent forced to go there. So what are they pulling down statues for . If they're that against the slave trade , why don't they go to Africa now where's there's millions of slaves in this day and age

https://qz.com/africa/1333946/global-slavery-index-africa-has-the-highest-rate-of-modern-day-slavery-in-the-world/

There were plenty in Bristol of all backgrounds taking down that statue. It has been controversial for awhile, not just for the black community.

Mister Vain

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1266222112458629120

:pac: Even in the midst of chaos he's still afraid he will offend the social justice brigade.

joe40

2u2me wrote: »

This is the problem I have with all this vicarious sin. Either we're all guilty or none of us are.

None of us are guilty of what happened in the past, no one is saying that.
Modern day Brits aren't guilty about atrocities in Ireland it is simply part of Britains history.
These protests are about current Events in the US not historical crimes.

joe40

kildare lad wrote: »

You might be surprised to know but if you read enough history , blacks weren't the only people to be slaves , Romans ,Egyptians , Greek , they all used slaves even Irish were taken as slaves by the Vikings every civilization through history used slaves . you can even go back to ww2 where the germans worked people to death building for them . How about child slavery in India making clothes that's still going on . Blacks in America would have the same experience of slavery that I have. ... None

Yes even the Irish used slaves. But a lot of that slavery has been lost in the mists of time.
Blacks in America can draw a straight line from African slave trade to civil war to abolition to segregation in the southern states, 60s civil rights protests Lynching etc right up modern day grievances.

Their recent recordabe history has been tied with slavery.

Similar to ours with famine, emmigration, independence, partition ,trouble in the North. Only recently easing

Christy42

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What about the owners of the properties, the businesses etc?

The city can set up an assistance fund with the money previously mentioned.

Silentcorner

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What about the owners of the properties, the businesses etc?

They don't care...they don't care about the families that are now homeless, they don't care about the people who have lost their livelihoods.

We know that economic destruction has a brutal effect on men, higher rates of suicides, higher rates of marital/family breakdown....more kids are going to grow up in homes without their dads, do you think they care?

We know that kids who grow up without their fathers experience child abuse at higher levels, perform poorly in school, more likely to commit crime, go to jail, do drugs, do you think they care about those lives?

Those celebrities who paid for rioters and looters who were caught by the police won't lose a minutes sleep thinking about the damage they have caused....they'll probably be boasting about what they did at dinner parties, as will the ordinary morans they no doubt inspired to do the same as them!!!

Those 220 buildings those thugs destroyed were people's homes, people's businesses, that allowed them to keep a roof over their families heads....it is those people I feel sorry for the most, the innocent hard working people that all those celebrities don't give a f##k about!

No doubt there will be posters here who don't give a f##k about those people either...they took a knee...sure that makes them pure!!!

Kermit.de.frog

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

hetuzozaho

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

So much misinformation these days. People are allowed to watch gone with the wind.

ohnonotgmail

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

how many times are people going to post the same piece of misinformation across multiple threads?

joe40

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how many times are people going to post the same piece of misinformation across multiple threads?

It is fcuking tiresome. Just checked 4disc collectors set available on Amazon.

biko

biko wrote: »

Not going so good

SeattleAutonomousZone now has a warlord. It’s been 2 days.

https://twitter.com/RHGR/status/1270814875200245760

biko

biko wrote: »

SeattleAutonomousZone now has a warlord. It’s been 2 days.

https://twitter.com/RHGR/status/1270814875200245760

Wonder was his mixtape any good..

Overheal probably considers this progress..

Peregrinus

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder was his mixtape any good..

Overheal probably considers this progress..

Dunno about Seattle, but I'd consider it progress if people didn't uncritically accept as true overblown stuff that they read in pseudonymous comments to posts on pseudonymous twitter accounts.

Well, if you can't trust Twitter who can you trust?..

Timberrrrrrrr

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

Blatantly false.

hetuzozaho

hetuzozaho wrote: »

So much misinformation these days. People are allowed to watch gone with the wind.

It was removed from the HBO streaming service, and they tweeted about their reasons for doing so. ie a stand against racism. That's what kicked the spread off. It's not been banned or removed from other sites.

Sheep_shear

biko wrote: »

SeattleAutonomousZone now has a warlord. It’s been 2 days.

Whilst I've no idea of the truthiness of that, I mean we all know that if you remove the police, law and order, then *something else* takes on that role. All of history shows that that's usually something akin to a warlord or a gang.

But sure yeah, dismantle the police.

hetuzozaho

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was removed from the HBO streaming service, and they tweeted about their reasons for doing so. ie a stand against racism. That's what kicked the spread off. It's not been banned or removed from other sites.

That's what kicked what?

I was just saying we are allowed watch gone with the wind. And we'll be able to watch it on hbo again too when they put it back up.