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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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    #932
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Gatling wrote: »
    Taking a leaf out of Russian and Chinese playbooks

    Exactly and yet people who claim to be in favour of limiting the power of government bend over backwards to defend the police.


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    #933
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,390 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    seamus wrote: »
    It's worth remembering that the saying is not, "When there's one bad apple in the barrel, the rest are grand",

    The saying is, "One bad apple spoils the barrel". Which in the context of police is very relevant. Because one scumbag police officer doesn't operate in isolation. They don't go without notice. Their behaviour is at best ignored, at worst encouraged by their colleagues.

    So if there is "one bad apple" in a police station or force, then that means they have been operating with the tacit approval of their colleagues. This casts the reliability of the entire group into doubt.

    Correct, they are ‘facilitated’.. be it by colleagues, management, whoever turns a blind eye...

    If it’s me, I’d like to think I’m brave enough and concerned enough to have a conversation in the aftermath of something similar along the lines of..

    “ you know what, that arrest wasn’t good, it was a million miles from being ‘by the book’, a million miles from being safe, for us and particularly the suspect. I’m not going to have to work that way, you have my back and I have yours but if you are systematically endangering suspects and therefore us and our reputation and careers during arrests everything changes, my expectation is to have a hardworking and professional partner who does things lawfully ‘by the book’, using force that is proportional and tactics and maneuvers that we have been trained to use and that over years have been shown as professional and applicable to the job that we are doing, keeping EVERYONE safe, us, the public and the suspect..I don’t expect to see it again, clear ? “


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    #934
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,669 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    CNN reported just said that the officers said they were doing as they were told. Police acting as puppets.


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    #935
    iguana
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 12,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    3 people were arrested. The reporter says before that that the crew has 4 in it. The police hand the guys mic off to another guy standing there.

    They did and then a minute later they arrested him. He is the unit producer and appears to be white. After him they arrested the camera crew. One man appeared white the other, with the glasses, hat and mask it's hard to tell, but I thought he looked Asian, or possibly Filipino/Latino. The police removed his backpack which was connected to wiring, then cuffed him. It seemed like the cameraman was speaking throughout. Then he put the camera on the ground and was arrested. They were lead off as the camera kept filming, so all 4 were arrested. Having very clearly done absolutely nothing wrong.


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    #936
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    The power of the police really is a threat to democracy and free speech if they are arresting journalists for nothing.

    America is so full of contradictions and juxtapositions. On one hand you have this "free speech" /land of the free bullsh1te thing going on but yet have near "police state" situations in Counties and cities up and down the land.

    If we saw some of this stuff happening in China or Hong Kong, we'd be saying that their human rights were violated but some numpties here on this thread think because America is a democracy, if you're arrested by the police, then you MUST have done something wrong because they're the good guys.

    The illusion of "freedom" and "respect for human rights' in America is taken as gospel by the uneducated but there's a whole world of stories of police racism and brutality out there if people care to look. I'm actually not surprised by this arrest at all- what it shows to me, is that the racist cops are probably feeling a lot safer in Donald Trump Land so arresting a black CNN journalist will probably get them a presidential medal.


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    #937
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Trump needs to send in the national guard. Things getting out of control. When the looting starts, the shooting starts!


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    #938
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,669 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    walshb wrote: »
    Smart arse to me

    Put us back, wherever you want us, gotcha......

    They were asked to get back and out of the way....He then started trying to converse and go into detail....simple: Move, shut up and no problem...

    Juts let us know, and we gotch ya...

    You were already told to move.....now, move...

    Acting the maggot....simple as.....during a riot....place in an absolute heap, and state patrol on high alert.

    Explain how he can move with the police holding his arms.


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    #939
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Smart arse replies? like where do you want me to move?

    Jesus, there's reaching and there's whatever this is.....


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    #940
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    walshb wrote: »
    Smart arse to me

    Put us back, wherever you want us, gotcha......

    They were asked to get back and out of the way....He then started trying to converse and go into detail....simple: Move, shut up and no problem...

    Juts let us know, and we gotch ya...

    You were already told to move.....now, move...

    Acting the maggot....simple as.....during a riot....place in an absolute heap, and state patrol on high alert.

    Move "back" to where? Police are on all sides.

    Do they take the instruction to move back literally so in your opinion and walk backwards till they hit the police behind them?


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    #941
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    walshb wrote: »
    Smart arse to me

    Put us back, wherever you want us, gotcha......

    They were asked to get back and out of the way....He then started trying to converse and go into detail....simple: Move, shut up and no problem...

    Juts let us know, and we gotch ya...

    You were already told to move.....now, move...

    Acting the maggot....simple as.....during a riot....place in an absolute heap, and state patrol on high alert.

    Stop digging.

    I thought you'd have learned that lesson by now whenever you think it's fun to be an agitator in threads.


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    #942
    [Deleted User]
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Move "back" to where? Police are on all sides.

    Do they take the instruction to move back literally so in your opinion and walk backwards till they hit the police behind them?

    Don't waste your energy :P


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    #943
    alchemist33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    Well said Brendan.

    Let’s gather the facts and ALL evidence before crucifying men who were doing their job.
    Floyd was involved in forgery and didn’t end up On the ground for no reason, that much is established

    Just noticed this. Did you forget which account you were using?


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    #944
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,603 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    walshb wrote: »
    Smart arse to me

    Put us back, wherever you want us, gotcha......

    They were asked to get back and out of the way....He then started trying to converse and go into detail....simple: Move, shut up and no problem...

    Juts let us know, and we gotch ya...

    You were already told to move.....now, move...

    Acting the maggot....simple as.....during a riot....place in an absolute heap, and state patrol on high alert.

    Exactly what I sarcastically said is actually what you said. The police didnt want to lower himself to converse with *that sort* of citizen.


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    #945
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Exactly what I said. The police didnt want to lower himself to converse with *that sort* of citizen.

    They are not there to get into a back and forth. They issued a command, and the man did not comply. He got arrested for this.


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    #946
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,603 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    walshb wrote: »
    They are not there to get into a back and forth. They issued a command, and the man did not comply. He got arrested for this.

    Suppose you would have been ok if they started to choke him for resisting since he had such a "smart mouth"?


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    #947
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Wonder if we could get the cop who did the AMA thread a while back to give an opinion on recent events
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    #948
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Stop digging.

    I thought you'd have learned that lesson by now whenever you think it's fun to be an agitator in threads.

    Not digging at all..

    He got himself arrested

    Biggest problem in the world today is people not taking responsibility for their own actions and behaviors...

    Anyway, he is free now. Maybe next time he will simply comply, and spare himself the threat of arrest.


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    #949
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Just noticed this. Did you forget which account you were using?

    Is that the same person talking to themselves? Oh wow. Pathetic


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    #950
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Suppose you would have been ok if they started to choke him for resisting since he had such a "smart mouth"?

    No need to use force. He was clearly not resisting arrest.


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    #951
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    Trump needs to send in the national guard. Things getting out of control. When the looting starts, the shooting starts!

    They are there already.


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    #952
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    I wonder if it being a CNN crew involved was significant, given that Trump has constantly demonised them. I suppose we'll find out if there's an investigation.

    I'm sure the Democrat mayor and Governor will do exactly what Trump tells them to do.


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    #953
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    walshb wrote: »
    They are not there to get into a back and forth. They issued a command, and the man did not comply. He got arrested for this.

    They are there to issue clear directions. Like they would receive themselves.

    "Move back" (there are police on all sides)

    "where would you like us to go to be out of the way"

    "over there "

    Thats a perfectly normal exchange.



    Do you reckon the police chief issues a blanket order to all however many police there are to "go to the city" and thats it, they all just figure the rest out themselves?


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    #954
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    If white people rioted and burned down the city every time a white person was killed by a black person then they'd really be in trouble.


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    #955
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Gatling wrote: »
    Wonder if we could get the cop who did the AMA thread a while back to give an opinion on recent events

    Fairly sure most cops would be disgusted by this behaviour. The majority are decent people.


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    #956
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I don't think this is going away.

    If there was any semi-competent adult in the White House, this could be worked on, but while you've got a racist moron there, he's only going to stoke the fire with "tough talk" and viral soundbites. People are already in a low mood between lockdowns and soaring unemployment, and now unchecked systemic racism is being given a free pass in full public view.

    I won't be surprised if we start seeing similar events kick off in other US cities over the coming days.


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    #957
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,603 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    walshb wrote: »
    No need to use force. He was clearly not resisting arrest.

    Oh but you didnt mind using force on people resisting before. Nice you've come around on that at least.


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    #958
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,603 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I'm confused too, why did 2 different people response to a post aimed at an individual?

    Pjohnson doesnt know Hurrache.


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    #959
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Walshb and brendanwalsh. No connection there. Right...

    Would you not even make up a different name?


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    #960
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Oh but you didnt mind using force on people resisting before. Nice you've come around on that at least.

    No, George appears not to have resisted.

    The cop that knelt on him to restrain him used too much force.


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    #961
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    seamus wrote: »
    I don't think this is going away.

    If there was any semi-competent adult in the White House, this could be worked on, but while you've got a racist moron there, he's only going to stoke the fire with "tough talk" and viral soundbites. People are already in a low mood between lockdowns and soaring unemployment, and now unchecked systemic racism is being given a free pass in full public view.

    I won't be surprised if we start seeing similar events kick off in other US cities over the coming days.

    Yeah, all depending on how Trump responds, it may further explode. His shooting and looting comment and apparent historical connotation stokes the fire, and lots are already comparing his differences in wording on tweets depending on the groups that are protesting.

    The fact that those arrested by the state police were with CNN, and the colour, may be a coincidence but it wouldn't be surprising that the guy who instigated the arrest thought it would be good to arrest the 'fake' media.


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