George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Jmsg

Stateofyou wrote: »

Racism and bias in the job sector is well established by research. That is why HR professionals in the US have been advocating for blind resumes - names (and gender) are withheld because get this, everyone has bias. Everyone. And this affects things such as job prospects. Research has shown that people have bias towards foreign or names that sound like they belong to someone who is black. There is bias against minorities, and when education, experience, and skills are similar they remain at a disadvantage. Here's one from the BBC even:
"British citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds have to send, on average, 60% more job applications to get a positive response from employers compared to their white counterparts, according to researchers at Nuffield College's Centre for Social Investigation (CSI)." -BBC

That's called in-group preference and is inevitable to some degree. A black employer will likely have the same prejudices in favor of his own kind too, probably a lot more so as blacks have been proven to be a lot more ethnocentric than whites.

Justin Credible Darts

Stateofyou wrote: »

Research ALSO shows that Black people are targeted and over-policed in comparison to white people..

Seriously ?


You mean blacks who commit more serious crimes than white people in the US are policed more ?


who would have guessed

Stateofyou

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you quoted my post, and still managed to avoid answering this question


so if 2 people apply for a job, one white and one black, and the white person is vastly more qualified but does not get the job and the black person does to fill a quota, was that white person not a victim of racism because his "color" did not meet the criteria. ?


a simple yes or no would do.

Who's filling some quota and is demonstrably unqualified against a more qualified white person, as per your example. Who is that happening to.

You also didn't answer my earlier question about your so-called personal family experience with racism. Because your posts and posting manner suggest otherwise.

Stateofyou

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Seriously ?


You mean blacks who commit more serious crimes than white people in the US are policed more ?


who would have guessed

False. Linked research to back that up.

Justin Credible Darts

Stateofyou wrote: »

Who's filling some quota and is demonstrably unqualified against a more qualified white person, as per your example. Who is that happening to.

You also didn't answer my earlier question about your so-called personal family experience with racism. Because your posts and posting manner suggest otherwise.

and still incapable of giving a simple yes or no....quell suprise

Justin Credible Darts

Stateofyou wrote: »

False. Linked research to back that up.

a quick google search on the first link...which was wikipedia...which is turn leads to other links




African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008
African americans make up only 13% of the population

Stateofyou

Jmsg wrote: »

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/african-americans-arrested-for-resisting-arrest-at-a-larger-rate-in-san-diego/2260289/

"The data shows blacks are 10 times more likely than whites to be arrested for resisting, delaying, or obstructing a police officer."



If you account for blacks having larger criminal histories on average than whites leading to them receiving on average less leniency, this claim too is completely bunk.

Funny, just ran across a Washington Post article:
"Chicago police use more force against black people, even though white people are more likely to resist."

Stateofyou

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

and still incapable of giving a simple yes or no....quell suprise

What are you talking about? You brought this point up out of nowhere, and you're implying that affirmative action gives Black people jobs over more qualified whites. Why are you bringing this up, and what situation are you specifically referring to.

Justin Credible Darts

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

Stateofyou

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Seriously ?


You mean blacks who commit more serious crimes than white people in the US are policed more ?


who would have guessed

There's the point. For example, studies show that Black and white people use drugs at the same rates. Black people are disproportionately arrested and given longer sentences for similar crimes. Their communities are over-policed in comparison to white people. That is the point.

Stateofyou

Anyone have anything to say about George Floyd anymore? Because that is specifically what this thread is about. A man's life who was taken by kneeling on his neck for almost 9 minutes. All officers involved have been fired and arrested and charged. Anything to say about the actual topic here?

Justin Credible Darts

Stateofyou wrote: »

False. Linked research to back that up.

links provided.


No doubt you will try deflect from this as well

Stateofyou

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

links provided.


No doubt you will try deflect from this as well

You know you do actually have to provide those links, instead of merely saying you did. You didn't. Where are they.

Silentcorner

Stateofyou wrote: »

Anyone have anything to say about George Floyd anymore? Because that is specifically what this thread is about. A man's life who was taken by kneeling on his neck for almost 9 minutes. All officers involved have been fired and arrested and charged. Anything to say about the actual topic here?

Sounds like the wheels of justice are in motion then...good stuff.

Justin Credible Darts

so black people commit more murders that whites despite blacks only being 13% of the population
White people are 12 times more likely to be a vitim or robbery by a black person than vice versa.

but over policing the people who commit the more serious crimes is somehow wrong.

you could not make this up

Quantum Erasure

#ibtl

Stateofyou

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

2002 eh? 18 years ago?
You're on about robberies now, muddying everything you can with no actual point here. What point are you actually trying to make?

What racism has your family supposedly experienced as you claimed? Talk about deflecting.

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote: »

You think I am dehumanizing men?

No society at large typically finds comfort in dehumanizing the prisoner caste, often without regard to the crime. So, some people looked at what happened at Rikers Island and think “good that’s how they should be treated” - even though many at Rikers weren’t even convicted and more than that of non violent crimes causing no material harm to society, like possession of a drug for their own use.

Stateofyou

Silentcorner wrote: »

Sounds like the wheels of justice are in motion then...good stuff.

Yeah, it only took a WORLDWIDE movement for justice to be INITIATED. And only when people see the video evidence that beaks into public arena (Ahmaud Arbery). :rolleyes: But at the end of the day, people lost their lives and there is no rectifying that.

joe40

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

so black people commit more murders that whites despite blacks only being 13% of the population
White people are 12 times more likely to be a vitim or robbery by a black person than vice versa.

but over policing the people who commit the more serious crimes is somehow wrong.

you could not make this up

Do you have any reasons to explain for those figures.

I would just be interested in your opinions as to why blacks appear to commit more crime.

Justin Credible Darts

Stateofyou wrote: »

2002 eh? 18 years ago?
You're on about robberies now, muddying everything you can with no actual point here. What point are you actually trying to make?

What racism has your family supposedly experienced as you claimed? Talk about deflecting.

ah....18 years ago does not matter then ?
Did you complain when people spoke of slavery 400 years ago.?
Strange how that time frame matters



You have be caught out and debunked so many times , you just deflect, make excuses and pick and choose facts that only support your bias.


You can spin, you can deflect, but it does not alter the fact blacks commit more murders, commit more robberies, despite being on 13% of the population.
Blacks are more likely to be shot by black or hispanic officers in a force that has more white officers.


So it is hardly a shock when those communities are over policed.

2u2me

Overheal wrote: »

No society at large typically finds comfort in dehumanizing the prisoner caste, often without regard to the crime. So, some people looked at what happened at Rikers Island and think “good that’s how they should be treated” - even though many at Rikers weren’t even convicted and more than that of non violent crimes causing no material harm to society, like possession of a drug for their own use.

Perhaps if this was the focus of the protests we might actually get real change.

Andrew Cuomo recently declared "There's no need to protest; you've won" but they have no demands to table and are still protesting.

Jmsg

Stateofyou wrote: »

Anyone have anything to say about George Floyd anymore? Because that is specifically what this thread is about. A man's life who was taken by kneeling on his neck for almost 9 minutes. All officers involved have been fired and arrested and charged. Anything to say about the actual topic here?

George Floyd died of a heart attack due to having coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, complicated by him being high on fentanyl (a drug multiple times more potent than heroin). It's doubtful the restraint he was under by police had any impact oh his having died, but even if it did, the officer was technically fully within his rights to restrain him how he did as he had resisted arrest. He will be found not guilty in a court of law, and the rioters will cause ten times the mayhem this time around enabled by the weak response from the police towards the rioting last time and the media too will be complicit due to failing to look at the real facts regarding the case of Floyd's death and the overall false claim of discrimination against black people in policing in general

Overheal

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

ah....18 years ago does not matter then ?
Did you complain when people spoke of slavery 400 years ago.?
Strange how that time frame matters



You have be caught out and debunked so many times , you just deflect, make excuses and pick and choose facts that only support your bias.


You can spin, you can deflect, but it does not alter the fact blacks commit more murders, commit more robberies, despite being on 13% of the population.
Blacks are more likely to be shot by black or hispanic officers in a force that has more white officers.


So it is hardly a shock when those communities are over policed.

Oh brother you can’t be serious. It wasn’t 400 years ago it has been going on for 400 years. August 25, 1619 To be precise.

Overheal

2u2me wrote: »

Perhaps if this was the focus of the protests we might actually get real change.

Andrew Cuomo recently declared "There's no need to protest; you've won" but they have no demands to table and are still protesting.

What have they won?

We can’t even start to pretend slavery is over while the language of the 13th amendment still stands.

Besides that we are no where even approaching “over” with police brutality

As I said the week of his death: this saga is far from over. That’s still true.

Overheal

Jmsg wrote: »

George Floyd died of a heart attack due to having coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, complicated by him being high on fentanyl (a drug multiple times more potent than heroin). It's doubtful the restraint he was under by police had any impact oh his having died, but even if it did, the officer was technically fully within his rights to restrain him how he did as he had resisted arrest. He will be found not guilty in a court of law, and the rioters will cause ten times the mayhem this time around enabled by the weak response from the police towards the rioting last time and the media too will be complicit due to failing to look at the real facts regarding the case of Floyd's death and the overall false claim of discrimination against black people in policing in general

Officers failed to find a pulse multiple times for minutes of length. Justified my ass.

Jmsg

Overheal wrote: »

Oh brother you can’t be serious. It wasn’t 400 years ago it has been going on for 400 years. August 25, 1619 To be precise.

The only slavery of Africans happening continuously since then is by other Africans in Africa

Overheal

Jmsg wrote: »

The only slavery of Africans happening continuously since then is by other Africans in Africa

And by America’s prisons.

Jmsg

Overheal wrote: »

Officers failed to find a pulse multiple times for minutes of length. Justified my ass.

I never said it was justified the officer kept his knee on Floyd's neck, I said it was technically within the law. The gesture is ascribed in law for use in advanced restraining procedure. It's just complicated by the fact Floyd happened to be having a medical emergency at the same time as being arrested.

Stateofyou

Overheal wrote: »

And by America’s prisons.

YES. And the sick, sad reality of systemic racism since then. The private prison system, Jim Crow, segregation, redlining, and disproportionate police targeting and police brutality. I think I've posted this about 400 times now. :rolleyes:

George Floyd's family had an independent and separate autopsy done, by the leading experts in that field. They found that he died of asphyxia. Some people seem to choose to want to ignore facts. I wonder why.