George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Mr. Karate

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Why both surely just murder?

To try and get him with atleast one of them. 3rd Degree Murder would mean that the Prosecutors would have to prove that the Officer intended to kill George Floyd that day. That will be harder to prove

Manslaughter [formerly negligent homicide] the Prosecution would have to prove that the Officer's actions led to George Floyd's death even if it was unintentional. This is the most likely one to get a conviction.

Itssoeasy

ElmoLaw wrote: »

yes true.

And in 1992 in the Rodney king beating there was video evidence just like there is here and four police officers just like now. The four officers in the Rodney king trial were found not guilty and that lead to the LA Riots. There are stricking similarities between the two and hopefully they don't extend to even further and longer riots.

Madeleine Birchfield

suicide_circus wrote: »

i was more asking what the american right are doing today to prevent assimilation but your historical points are absolutely fair. The blood thing is an insanity but its not confined to the states. How someone with one black and one white parent is automatically black, no questions asked...could never get my head around that...very few people seem to embrace a "mixed race" identity.

I believe it is a legacy of the one-drop rule which was part of the Jim Crow laws in the United States, and there are many people in the United States still alive today who were born when the Jim Crow laws are still around (anybody 56 and older really). And if you take a look at the modern American right many of their supporters and politicians are older than 55.

Clarence Boddiker

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

This was also aided by the fact that everybody else left the cities for the suburbs, and the jobs and capital that followed them. The black American communities in the cities never really recovered from that.

The flight to the suburbs was then followed by a collapse in revenue and investment in the urban areas which led to even more destitution. Most of this happened in Democrat controlled cities.

ElmoLaw

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And in 1992 in the Rodney king beating there was video evidence just like there is here and four police officers just like now. The four officers in the Rodney king trial were found not guilty and that lead to the LA Riots. There are stricking similarities between the two and hopefully they don't extend to even further and longer riots.

i was thinking of rodney king last night - its just crazy that was in 1992 and this is still going on. yeah in rodney king the cops were prosecuted and acquitted ... and thankfully rodney king survived. hopefully times will have changed and this evil cop will be found guilty.

suicide_circus

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

I believe it is a legacy of the one-drop rule which was part of the Jim Crow laws in the United States, and there are many people in the United States still alive today who were born when the Jim Crow laws are still around (anybody 56 and older really). And if you take a look at the modern American right many of their supporters and politicians are older than 55.

so thats a legacy issue, what are the american right doing today to prevent assimilation. do black americans want to be "assimilated"?

Madeleine Birchfield

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

The flight to the suburbs was then followed by a collapse in revenue and investment in the urban areas which led to even more destitution. Most of this happened in Democrat controlled cities.

Because the cities lost their tax base when everybody else fled to the suburbs. And it just so happened that the Democrats controlled the cities because the Democrats at the time were the party of the workers and the unions, most of whom lived in the cities prior to the flight to the suburbs and so had enough numbers to outvote the Republicans.

Kermit.de.frog

Gemma thinks this is all staged.

Clarence Boddiker

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Gemma thinks this is all staged.

Staged in what way? Remember there are liberal people here who think there are false flags going on. Are they on the same page as Gemma?

Gatling

What's the opinion on the cop and George Floyd previously worked together in a niteclub ,it may suggest that there is more to this than a simple arrest gone wrong

Seen it doing the rounds on social media

KiKi III

Gatling wrote: »

What's the opinion on the cop and George Floyd previously worked together in a niteclub ,it may suggest that there is more to this than a simple arrest gone wrong

Seen it doing the rounds on social media

Would it matter?

KiKi III

Just made a small donation to the Minnesota Freedom Fund. I suggest anyone who is outraged by this situation to do this or donate to a similar cause.

Makes me feel like I did something real, however small

Clarence Boddiker

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

Because the cities lost their tax base when everybody else fled to the suburbs. And it just so happened that the Democrats controlled the cities because the Democrats at the time were the party of the workers and the unions, most of whom lived in the cities prior to the flight to the suburbs and so had enough numbers to outvote the Republicans.

And what have they done for the workers and unions since? Nothing. What have they done to revitalise these cities..nothing.
The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin.

Gatling

KiKi III wrote: »

Would it matter?

Could suggest that this could have been personal and no accident

Itssoeasy

Gatling wrote: »

What's the opinion on the cop and George Floyd previously worked together in a niteclub ,it may suggest that there is more to this than a simple arrest gone wrong

Seen it doing the rounds on social media

The owner of the nightclub where both worked did say that the cop had a tendency to react to minor situations involving black people in a way that seemed to her to be excessive.

ohnonotgmail

Mr. Karate wrote: »

To try and get him with atleast one of them. 3rd Degree Murder would mean that the Prosecutors would have to prove that the Officer intended to kill George Floyd that day. That will be harder to prove

Manslaughter [formerly negligent homicide] the Prosecution would have to prove that the Officer's actions led to George Floyd's death even if it was unintentional. This is the most likely one to get a conviction.

no intent to kill is required for third degree murder

Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

Limpy

Any bets on which republican back's the cop.

KiKi III

Gatling wrote: »

Could suggest that this could have been personal and no accident

Kneeling on someone’s throat for four minutes isn’t an accident

Kermit.de.frog

Curfew in place from 8pm in Minneapolis.

Does not seem the authorities will be so stand offish from now on with looters or trouble maker hangers on (particularly with national guard there)

Gatling

KiKi III wrote: »

Kneeling on someone’s throat for four minutes isn’t an accident

But we all know that's what is going to be claimed in defence of the cop

Silentcorner

Gatling wrote: »

But we all know that's what is going to be claimed in defence of the cop

Is there anyone defending the cop?

irishproduce

Blueshoe wrote: »

African Americans already commit over 50% of the homicides yet make up less than 13% of the population.
Maybe they have started already

Similar statistics to our cultural friends here and their crime numbers and prisoner stats.

Clarence Boddiker

Woman found dead in a car in Minneapolis
https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/woman-found-dead-inside-car-bryant-avenue-17th-minneapolis/5744504/

Overheal

Regarding this argument, about black Americans being disproportionately convicted of homicide. First off, they’re in a system that is abusive to them. We should surely see this with Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Rodney King, Ray Rice etc etc. So what happens when you can’t trust your law enforcement? You take your protection into your own hands leading to street justice leading to escalating violence when people want to fight one another for whatever reason. Karen, meanwhile, just calls up to 911 safe in the knowledge that rarely will anything bad happen to her. Meanwhile. It’s a cycle of people assumed to be up to no good being treated like they’re up to no good and forced to ask themselves if they’re treated that way how far will you sit and wait for the system to catch up?

That’s why I rubbish these stats about black on black violence and homicide rates. Its people making erroneous assumptions about cause and effect. It’s lazy deflection telling black Americans to “clean up their act” as if the police institution has no glaring opportunities for reform. People can fap off with that dismissal. Minneapolis was clearly a sequence of powderkeg failures in the police force that came to a head on Monday. Folks will continue to fight for equal rights, equal protection and equal dignity and law enforcement that serves and protects all people.

irishproduce

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is 3rd degree murder the lowest on the scale? Whats the likely sentence on conviction?

and whats the deal with being arrested for 3rd degree murder and also manslaughter?

All sentences in America are big. They are not short or scrumpy on prison spaces so no lenient sentences.

Clarence Boddiker

CNN "Every white person has a virus in their brain"

https://twitter.com/NationalistTV/status/1266430216836186112

degsie

Mark Shaw wrote: »

Apparently a woman got kidnapped last night during the riots and today a body was found.

So in addition to looting, is rape and murder also part of getting justice for your man?

'Your man' has a name, why are you pushing this agenda?

ElmoLaw

Mark Shaw wrote: »

Apparently a woman got kidnapped last night during the riots and today a body was found.

So in addition to looting, is rape and murder also part of getting justice for your man?

OMG and how do you know who murdered her. this thread is getting ridiculous.

jam_mac_jam

Mark Shaw wrote: »

Apparently a woman got kidnapped last night during the riots and today a body was found.

So in addition to looting, is rape and murder also part of getting justice for your man?

No. No it's not.

Very few are justifying the looters either but don't let that stop you.

Clarence Boddiker

ElmoLaw wrote: »

OMG and how do you know who murdered her. this thread is getting ridiculous.

Isn't the entire thread about a reaction to a murder? And then you dismiss another murder? Why is that?