George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

J. Marston

Caught rotten...

https://twitter.com/Freeyourmindkid/status/1266682620164943872

pjohnson

walshb wrote: »

Indeed.

I don’t care what color he is. You want to be a smart arse with the cops during serious serious times then expect them to act..

2u2me wrote: »

This is why CNN are so infuriating disgusting. People believe their bull****. Racist cops arrest black cameraman because they're racist! In the time of riots spurned on by civil unrest. It would take an infant to believe this line.

Hilarious :pac:

Madeleine Birchfield

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They try to be under the radar, finding bits of information about his past , then throw in that hes a criminal. Look over this thread and the Ahmuad Arbery one. Its choc full of people dragging little details out for hours and pages of posts

A few outright say things like "if he hadnt used the forge note, this wouldnt have happened to him" etc.


But its all just because they "want the facts".

Hm, I seem to have accidentally deleted my post.

But anyways, I wonder how many people commenting that would feel if instead of black Americans it was Irish Catholics in Belfast and instead of the Minnesota police it was the RUC.

pjohnson

I suppose the geniuses here would have no issue if there boss told them to "email me that report" and if they asked "which report" they immediately got fired and escorted from the workplace?

jam_mac_jam

pjohnson wrote: »

I suppose the geniuses here would have no issue if there boss told them to "email me that report" and if they asked "which report" they immediately got fired and escorted from the workplace?

You would obviously be a complete smart arse and asking to be fired. Only a child or someone without a brain would think otherwise.

walshb

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Lets take your stance that he was being a smart ass. Is a cops job to be Judge Dredd or are they supposed to apply a bit of community policing, talk to people.

What did they gain by refusing to answer the question and rising to his "smartness", other than an embarrassing climbdown?

Yeh, maybe they could have engaged his smartarseness..

Or maybe, like me, they smelt it and thought, screw this...

I watched the clip several times. I am amazed people can’t see that this reporter was antagonising them. He was so patronising.

In this instance, they did right...

Now, I am not sure about the whole legal aspect of it all.

But the man was arrested because of his actions, not theirs. He chose to engage them in that manner, and they didn’t fall for it..

Billy Mays

2u2me wrote: »

What do you think would have happened if they kept them under arrest?

Don't know

I get you hate CNN but this is a weird hill to die on. Even fox news said his arrest was wrong

Earlier in the Fox News broadcast, Fox News contributor Lawrence Jones did briefly discuss Jimenez’s arrest during a panel discussion on the protests, noting that while he’s been “critical” of the network Jimenez “was arrested today on live television doing his job as a reporter.”

“I’ve been there reporting on these types of cases,” he added. “You asked the cops, you say, where do I stand? He did that and he was still arrested on live television with his camera crew. That should not happen, this is not China, this is America.”

With other networks offering statements of solidarity with CNN and Jimenez on Friday, Fox News followed suit later in the day, issuing the following statement: “FOX News has always supported the First Amendment and this instance is no different. We denounce the detainment of the CNN crew and stand with them in protecting the right to report without fear or favor."

Hours after Smith's report, Outnumbered Overtime anchor Harris Faulkner addressed that segment on-air, noting that the report should have highlighted that Jimenez offered to move wherever the officers to him to go.

“Police in Minneapolis have arrested a CNN reporter and his crew live on the air and they covered the protests breaking out on the ground over George Floyd’s death,” Faulkner said. “It was all caught on camera. It played out live. There is the video. They have since been released - a couple hours later from that event.”

“Police said the crew was asked to move and they refused. We can all watch the video and it shows the reporter offered to move many times if the officers would tell him where to go,” she added. “That point should have been noted in earlier reporting on Fox News. The governor of Minnesota apologized directly to CNN and that team during his news conference a short time ago, we showed you that live, calling the arrests 'unacceptable.'”

Guy:Incognito

walshb wrote: »

Yeh, maybe they could have engaged his smartarseness..

Or maybe, like me, they smelt it and thought, screw this...

I watched the clip several times. I am amazed people can’t see that this reporter was antagonising them. He was so patronising.

In this instance, they did right...

Now, I am not sure about the whole legal aspect of it all.

But the man was arrested because of his actions, not theirs. He chose to engage them in that manner, and they didn’t fall for it..

Bull****. Every bit of it.


You see whatever suits the narrative youre trying to push all through the thread. If the cop had said "over there" as an answer to the question, everything averted or else he has a bit of actual refusal.

The "they were shielding a criminal" line dissappeard once the person that threw it in was challenged on it yesterday.

Even after the climbdown and release with an apology (funnily enough, the part of my post you ignore), you cling to it.

Was it not you yesterday (iirc ) that said he was given a clear order to move back and then didnt answer (unless I missed it) when I asked should he follow that to the letter and just move straight backwards until he hit the police behind him?

Its funny how you take certain stances on issues then keep pivoting when challenged to maintain your opinion in the face of any proof offered rather than climb down (like the cops had to )

walshb wrote: »

In this instance, they did right...

Everyone above them disagrees. Its clear who is wrong here.

walshb

Look, he got his 15 minutes of fame. In the most peaceful and gentle arrest I have ever seen...

Moving on...

jam_mac_jam

walshb wrote: »

Look, he got his 15 minutes of fame. In the most peaceful and gentle arrest I have ever seen...

Moving on...

A free press is a cornerstone of democracy. A gentle arrest? It's incredibly sinister. The US is not China or Iran.

pjohnson

walshb wrote: »

Look, he got his 15 minutes of fame. In the most peaceful and gentle arrest I have ever seen...

Moving on...

Well ok I guess they do deserve credit for managing not to murder him and managing to correctly arrest him. Thats apparently a big achievement for the police so credit where it's due.


The fact that he had done literally nothing wrong is another issue.

Madeleine Birchfield

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

A free press is a cornerstone of democracy. A gentle arrest? It's incredibly sinister. The US is not China or Iran.

Trump and the Republican Party surely are acting like the CCP and the Iranian Mullahs in the past four years though.

jam_mac_jam

pjohnson wrote: »

Well ok I guess they do deserve credit for managing not to murder him and managing to correctly arrest him. Thats apparently a big achievement for the police so credit where it's due.


The fact that he had done literally nothing wrong is another issue.

Oh no, he was patronising them. Its so clear from the video.

The police can literally do no wrong.

Madeleine Birchfield

pjohnson wrote: »

Well ok I guess they do deserve credit for managing not to murder him and managing to correctly arrest him. Thats apparently a big achievement for the police so credit where it's due.


The fact that he had done literally nothing wrong is another issue.

How low must expectations for American police be if they ought to be praised for not murdering their fellow citizens?

2u2me

Interestingly whenver fox news is brought up people generally laugh it our of the thread. Not when it suits them though.

Of course journalists are going to stick together.
Doesn't make what that CNN journalist did right. He purposefully was stoking racial tensions.

There are times when you can talk to people and reason with them, but not during a riot when someone has already been asked to move twice. Just before he is arrested another woman is seen running out near him (The camera crew incited this), who ever was in charge of the scene knows you can't allow this to happen.
They police seem to have acted properly in this respect, and CNN labelling it as 'just more evidence for racism' is truly disgusting.

He was walked away treated carefully and relseased an hour later. It is clear they just wanted him away from the scene.

walshb

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Oh no, he was patronising them. Its so clear from the video.

The police can literally do no wrong.

The police can do wrong..

This is not, or at least should not be the police against the people..All the time!!!

Take it as examples, as one example. Here, they got it right for me.

Man asked to move. Did not move, tried to engage them (in a clearly smart arse way to me) and was peacefully arrested. Then released..

See. One instance. I take that, look at it and make a call...

I am sure other instances may see me disagree with police actions..

walshb

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

How low must expectations for American police be if they ought to be praised for not murdering their fellow citizens?

Who is praising them for not murdering their citizens?

Guy:Incognito

2u2me wrote: »

There are times when you can talk to people and reason with them, but not during a riot when someone has already been asked to move twice. .

They were all standing there for ages, the 50 cops behind him are standing around.

Stop pretending the cops were standing there with missiles flying at them


He should have clarified. End of. As evidenced by the climbdown and apology.

Funny how that would be the ultimate proof he was in the wrong if it was the other way round.

Guy:Incognito

walshb wrote: »

The police can do wrong..

This is not, or at least should not be the police against the people..All the time!!!

Take it as examples, as one example. Here, they got it right for me.

Man asked to move. Did not move, tried to engage them (in a clearly smart arse way to me) and was peacefully arrested. Then released..

See. One instance. I take that, look at it and make a call...

I am sure other instances may see me disagree with police actions..

Still a complete lack of acknowledgment of the climbdown and apology...........

pjohnson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Still a complete lack of acknowledgment of the climbdown and apology...........

Cmon surely you know by now facts have no place in this discussion for some.

walshb

Problem on this thread is the lack of objective balance...

It’s all bait bait bait the police.

Forget sides, and just analyse all the information. No side is 100 percent right.

And really, it’s all one side. Police are people. Just like everyone else. They are sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandfathers and grandmothers...

The police don’t always get it right. They are human. They are doing the job that the people put them to do...

Billy Mays

2u2me wrote: »

Interestingly whenver fox news is brought up people generally laugh it our of the thread. Not when it suits them though.

Of course journalists are going to stick together.
Doesn't make what that CNN journalist did right. He purposefully was stoking racial tensions.

There are times when you can talk to people and reason with them, but not during a riot when someone has already been asked to move twice. Just before he is arrested another woman is seen running out near him (The camera crew incited this), who ever was in charge of the scene knows you can't allow this to happen.
They police seem to have acted properly in this respect, and CNN labelling it as 'just more evidence for racism' is truly disgusting.

He was walked away treated carefully and relseased an hour later. It is clear they just wanted him away from the scene.

The police didn't act properly though, hence the apology.

He wasn't walked away he wad arrested. And by the way, it wasn't just the repoprter arrested, 3 other members of his news crew were aswell. Were they purposefully stoking racial tensions aswell?

walshb

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Still a complete lack of acknowledgment of the climbdown and apology...........

What?

I know they were released..I know of the apology.

Does that mean I have to change my view on the arrest?

For me, that man deserved to be arrested. At that time he deserved to be removed from the scene..a release and apology doesn’t mean I suddenly think “I was wrong.”

Wrongful arrest or not...like I said, police don’t always get it right.

Guy:Incognito

walshb wrote: »

Problem on this thread is the lack of objective balance...

It’s all bait bait bait the police.

Forget sides, and just analyse all the information. No side is 100 percent right.

And really, it’s all one side. Police are people. Just like everyone else. They are so s, daughters, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandfathers and grandmothers...

The police don’t always get it right. They are human. They are doing the job that the people put them to do...

Still no acknowledgement. On and on about the police having done the right thing while stonewalling the fact that they climbed down, released them and appologised within about 90 mins.

Guy:Incognito

walshb wrote: »

Does that mean I have to change my view on the arrest?
.

Yes, your rubbish is exposed as being just that by the fact that the people involved admitted they were wrong. Its no longer a matter of opinion. Its a matter of fact. And facts is all youre after here, remember.

pjohnson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Still no acknowledgement. On and on about the police having done the right thing while stonewalling the fact that they climbed down, released them and appologised within about 90 mins.

This thread involves the police murdering a man followed now by police arresting an innocent man


So playing the "police did the right thing" card is an interesting tactic.

Odhinn

walshb wrote: »

Problem on this thread is the lack of objective balance...

It’s all bait bait bait the police.

Forget sides, and just analyse all the information. No side is 100 percent right.

And really, it’s all one side. Police are people. Just like everyone else. They are sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandfathers and grandmothers...

The police don’t always get it right. They are human. They are doing the job that the people put them to do...

Seriously, GTF.

walshb

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yes, your rubbish is exposed as being just that by the fact that the people involved admitted they were wrong. Its no longer a matter of opinion. Its a matter of fact. And facts is all youre after here, remember.

And?

At the time I believed he deserved to be arrested..

Afterwards they say they should not have arrested him?

Did the police department admit that the arrest was wrongful?

Anyway, an awful lot of hot air and bluster here about a man peacefully led away by police for refusing to comply with their directions..

2u2me

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

He should have clarified. End of. As evidenced by the climbdown and apology.
.

Can any of you answer this honestly? What would happen if they didn't climbdown and apologize?

Hypothetically if the reporter did instigate it, he had a safe place to go, he purposefully made it look bad for the police etc.. etc..
In the current climate that we are in; what could the police do about it? Could they continue to hold him?

Do you accept that perception sometimes is more powerful than reality?

The woman that ran out towards the camera crew also was arrested.

walshb

Odhinn wrote: »

Seriously, GTF.

Have you more to add?

Are you saying everything the police are doing here is wrong? Bad?

You are not being in any way impartially balanced. This is the problem with society...