George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Stateofyou

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

They're trying their hardest to import American racial politics and discourse and apply it to Ireland.

OR Ireland's society today in 2020 actually is more diverse and if people controlling the narrative are 100% white male it does need to be looked at.

Higgins5473

MadYaker wrote: »

What was his role in the BLM group before he was killed?

Does that fact you have dredged up somehow make his life worth less?

I struggle to see what other point you could be trying to make by bringing this up. It’s 2020, whether you like it or not pornography is a legitimate huge industry in America.

Your post comes across as a sad attempt to devalue the mans life.

I have not dredged up anything, it has started to surface as news on Twitter. As mentioned this will have implications in his court case (defence lawyers will use anything to discredit the mans character). Rodney Kings criminal past was detailed in his court case, this had nothing to do with the inhuman beating he took.

As for the Black Lives Matter campaign, as they are using him as a poster boy now, doesn’t matter if he had nothing to do with

You’re right; porn is a huge industry and a hugely abusive one of which George Floyd was a part of and this will be used against him and will be used by racists and idiots to as you say, devalue his life and defend what was done to him.

I have voiced no opinion on this and just posted some breaking news on it, yet you are suggesting I care little about this mans life. Here’s my opinion for you; what happened was one of the most inhumane, disgusting, tragic and deplorable things that could happen to a human being, especially seeing as it was done by those that are supposed to be there to protect us and protect the peace. I hope all the officers go to prison for a very long time.

Clarence Boddiker

Stateofyou wrote: »

OR Ireland's society today in 2020 actually is more diverse and if people controlling the narrative are 100% white male it does need to be looked at.

No it doesn't

ElmoLaw

Stateofyou wrote: »

OR Ireland's society today in 2020 actually is more diverse and if people controlling the narrative are 100% white male it does need to be looked at.

and as Irish people who were oppressed for generations we should understand on a deep level how it feels to be treated unjustly in your own country. the younger generation will not sweep any of these issues under the rug. they will scream it from the rooftops.

Stateofyou

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

No it doesn't

Yes it does. :rolleyes:

ElmoLaw

Lundstram wrote: »

Spot on. Just because the guy is dead does not mean his character will not be questoned in a court room. Some people can't seem to grasp this.

the evidence might not even be admissible. it was a non-violent crime he was "suspected" of committing so this proposed evidence might not even be relevant to the case. but why are we even discussing the character of someone who was murdered because a jury might have to consider it? the constant assassination of the man's character is ruining this thread of any meaningful debate. not calling you out specifically. but everyone will leave the thread and it will be just a few of you in here fighting amongst yourselves about nothing.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

Protests? These are riots, looting and violence. Just because a few people hold up banners doesn't absolve them law enforcement nor should it.

It does matter whether he was a saint or not. He was a wanted felon, no judge or jury will ignore this.

Yes and he passed out at 6 minutes, the officer continued to kneel on his neck for three minutes. It's pretty clear that you're attempting to justify the police actions as in some way rational or acceptable. Do you favour the police officer being convicted? Do you think there are justifiable reasons to kneel on a handcuffed person's neck for 9 minutes?

There's plenty of protesting btw but there are certain posters that don't like to acknowledge that.

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I have not dredged up anything, it has started to surface as news on Twitter. As mentioned this will have implications in his court case (defence lawyers will use anything to discredit the mans character). Rodney Kings criminal past was detailed in his court case, this had nothing to do with the inhuman beating he took.

As for the Black Lives Matter campaign, as they are using him as a poster boy now, doesn’t matter if he had nothing to do with

You’re right; porn is a huge industry and a hugely abusive one of which George Floyd was a part of and this will be used against him and will be used by racists and idiots to as you say, devalue his life and defend what was done to him.

I have voiced no opinion on this and just posted some breaking news on it, yet you are suggesting I care little about this mans life. Here’s my opinion for you; what happened was one of the most inhumane, disgusting, tragic and deplorable things that could happen to a human being, especially seeing as it was done by those that are supposed to be there to protect us and protect the peace. I hope all the officers go to prison for a very long time.

You brought up the point and reacted pretty rudely when I countered that it simply doesn't matter. You have actually expressed an opinion on how negative being in porn would be perceived.

J Mysterio

Please allow me to share this wonderful thread

https://twitter.com/louisducdanjou/status/1266578058452054016?s=20

Replies are priceless.

Guy:Incognito

https://twitter.com/AnnaKendrick47/status/1266963846649933824

seeing as we're posting videos of violence.

Only one side are scumbags for violence.........

CinemaGuy45

Stateofyou wrote: »

OR Ireland's society today in 2020 actually is more diverse and if people controlling the narrative are 100% white male it does need to be looked at.

I said I was out of this thread but I had to answer this.

Ireland was 99% White native Irish until about 20 years ago we have had massive immigration while Irish youth has been forced to leave the country.

We have a housing crisis and a health crisis yet we offer the one of the most generous welfare systems to new arrivals.

Do you expect people who have worked their way into those jobs to be sacked in favour of new arrivals?

By the way what has this got to do with George Floyd and the USA?

Guy:Incognito

Lundstram wrote: »

Protests? These are riots, looting and violence. Just because a few people hold up banners doesn't absolve them law enforcement nor should it.

It does matter whether he was a saint or not. He was a wanted felon, no judge or jury will ignore this.

Was he a wanted felon?

Either way, again, you decided to bring the court system in to the discussion for some reason and havn't backed up why.

You replied to my post about the killing itself and decided the courts system somehow mattered in that and since then just keep going on about possible trials.

We were talking about the police killing him in the incident a few days ago. What has the court system got to do with that?

J. Marston

Who gives a shít if they're trashing Nike, Apple, Dior and Louis Vuitton shops. They'll be back with the click of a finger. I wouldn't care if they're burned to the ground.

It's the small locally owned businesses that shouldn't be touched.

When you watch CNN really it's a wonder the US isn't in a constant state of turmoil.. they are being so divisive..

CinemaGuy45

J. Marston wrote: »

Who gives a shít if they're trashing Nike, Apple, Dior and Louis Vuitton shops. They'll be back with the click of a finger. I wouldn't care if they're burned to the ground.

It's the small locally owned businesses that shouldn't be touched.

Maybe the people who worked there now I am really out of this thread.:D

jam_mac_jam

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AnnaKendrick47/status/1266963846649933824

seeing as we're posting videos of violence.

Only one side are scumbags for violence.........

There is a list on this reddit thread of incidents over the last few days.

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/gtsso9/there_was_no_warning_whatsoever_police_shoot_tear/

Lundstram

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AnnaKendrick47/status/1266963846649933824

seeing as we're posting videos of violence.

Only one side are scumbags for violence.........

What a strange video to post while condeming police. In every clip the 'protester' is either touching or acting in a provocative manner. As for the the cars 'mowing down people", they were hopping stones and other items off them while standing in front threatening officers.

What were they expecting? The cops should've got out and said "excuse me, can you move out of the way please and stop hurling debris off our vehicles, thanks".

All about the optics but some of us can see right through the rhetoric and PC bullsh1t.

Homelander

Stateofyou wrote: »

OR Ireland's society today in 2020 actually is more diverse and if people controlling the narrative are 100% white male it does need to be looked at.

How, by forcing minorities to take up occupations, or giving them high-level positions just because they're minorities?

Journalism in Ireland is an extremely narrow field with very few opportunities for new blood compared to UK, EU or the US.

There are definitely minority journalists in Ireland, just not at public face or high experience/exposure level.

Just as there are hundreds or thousands of white Irish men/women working in the background of Journalism who never make it to the big leagues either.

There's no great conspiracy to keep "non white males" out of media in Ireland. That's just nonsense based on nothing.

Guy:Incognito

Deleted User wrote: »

When you watch CNN really it's a wonder the US isn't in a constant state of turmoil.. they are being so divisive..

Are they? Ive watched it now for the last 36 hours or so. They've been standing in the middle of the cities, showing whats happening. Calling protests protests, calling riots riots when violence starts, showing cops cars destroyed. Theyve condemned the destruction, showed groups of people moving from place to place and reported what theyve said, saying live on screen where the groups are headed (they were heading to Trumps building yesterday)


They have quite a few black guests on if thats what you mean, talking about violence and the killing but im not sure what balance youd be looking for there unless you just want some white people to be brought on to call people rioting scumbags.

Theyve showed Trumps press conferences, maybe thats stoking division...............

MeMen2_MoRi_

Lundstram wrote: »

When I see a video of a shop owner defending his businees being kicked within an inch of his life, I tend to see the need for restraining at all costs.

Give respect, get respect.

We've seen what happens when you olead for your life not end under the knees of POS's in uniform.
These are the ones that need to be rooted the fcuk out of the roles of serve and protect.

Also with your comment about George Floyd's background, think that line of defence is null and void when there is a library of video evidence in his interaction with his killers, that says to anyone that wants to see that they zero cause to use that force and it's prolonged use against George.

Bullocks

J. Marston wrote: »

Who gives a shít if they're trashing Nike, Apple, Dior and Louis Vuitton shops. They'll be back with the click of a finger. I wouldn't care if they're burned to the ground.

It's the small locally owned businesses that shouldn't be touched.

Do you think those bigger brand shops will really open as easy as clicking your finger ? I doubt they will and I'm sure they employ as many locals as all the other shops

ThewhiteJesus

Even covid 19 is racist

Cody montana

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When you watch CNN really it's a wonder the US isn't in a constant state of turmoil.. they are being so divisive..

The same can be said for Fox News.

Guy:Incognito

Lundstram wrote: »

What a strange video to post while condeming police. In every clip the 'protester' is either touching or acting in a provocative manner. As for the the cars 'mowing down people", they were hopping stones and other items off them while standing in front threatening officers.

What were they expecting? The cops should've got out and said "excuse me, can you move out of the way please and stop hurling debris off our vehicles, thanks".

All about the optics but some of us can see right through the rhetoric and PC bullsh1t.

Yeah, the marching group of police at 10 secs are terribly afraid of their safety when confronted by that woman.

Again, at 14secs, what threat is that woman posing to all those police.

What threat is a woman talking to police with her hands out at 23secs that warrant being hit from behind, by a ****ing horse, a walked over?

Ill keep going if you want.

Any answer to to relevance of the court system to the George Floyd killing btw? Hes on the group cuffed with 3 cops on him. Whats the court system got to do with that?

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

What a strange video to post while condeming police. In every clip the 'protester' is either touching or acting in a provocative manner. As for the the cars 'mowing down people", they were hopping stones and other items off them while standing in front threatening officers.

What were they expecting? The cops should've got out and said "excuse me, can you move out of the way please and stop hurling debris off our vehicles, thanks".

All about the optics but some of us can see right through the rhetoric and PC bullsh1t.

It would actually appear that you're happy to justify undue force... Not exactly surprising since you think there's legitimate reasons to kneel on the neck of somebody unconscious. They were also firing pepper bullets at the press and even arresting the press.. Not very normal for most democratic nations.

Cody montana

Cody montana wrote: »

The same can be said for Fox News.

Yeah, surely.. it's so sad.. just so polarising..

MeMen2_MoRi_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It would actually appear that you're happy to justify undue force... Not exactly surprising since you think there's legitimate reasons to kneel on the neck of somebody unconscious.

Unconscious would suggest there was life in George, from what we know he was dead for over 2 minutes and still had the knee on his neck.

Lundstram

Deleted User wrote: »

It would actually appear that you're happy to justify undue force... Not exactly surprising since you think there's legitimate reasons to kneel on the neck of somebody unconscious.

It's called self defence. Google it. Number one priority of any cop is to protect themselves. You can clearly see and hear threats in these videos.

People like you just don't want to see that though. Big, bad mean cops.

Madeleine Birchfield

Holy ****e; literally like the Syrian Army crackdown of the protestors in 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

any angle on the current events that ignores individual responsibility for one's actions and throws the racism angle at any attempt to enforce public order is feeble idealism

any angle on the current events that doesn't acknowledge the systemic issues with the militarised policing model and subjection of the lower classes (majority people of colour) in the states is likewise partisan nonsense

somewhere in between you might be able to run a country, but very few people in between either of those views where the states is concerned- even, rather strangely, on an irish message board

MeMen2_MoRi_

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Unconscious would suggest there was life in George, from what we know he was dead for over 2 minutes and still had the knee on his neck.

This is true, I've only read the descriptions of it cause I can't bring myself to watch it.