George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

Peaceful vigils dont work though??

No, what really gets the masses on your side is nicking a few pairs of Air Jordans and taking a dump on an overturned police car.

Guy:Incognito

Billhook wrote: »

No I didn't, you're getting your jockstrap in a twist or else you can't read.

yeah, thats not suggesting anything at all.

Billhook wrote: »

Idiot's, disturbing the peace here while it's going on in a different country.

No doubt if they get their head's cracked open they'll be claiming police brutality.
I suppose they're all kind of Dolly mixture's of the scourge of Irish society.

walshb

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I actually meant to word that that you forgot to mention it, not that you forgot he had a dodgy past. thats on me.


I stand by the opinion that you didnt forget though. it was a discussion about the past behaviour of one of 2 people in a specific incident, it was about the most relevant information there could be to the discussion, even more relevant than floyds past and lends to the overall point that you are in no way impartial but trying to sound impartial while introducing elements of doubt about one side only. Right from the start with " if its shown he resisted", while there was no suggestion he did and even if he had its irrelevant because by the time we pick it up , hes in cuffs with 3 cops on top of him.

Fine. You don’t have to believe that I forgot to post it or didn’t get to post I or didn’t feel the need to.

But why you are still on and on and on about it is odd. Is it because you want to believe that I am anti George here, and pro police? And that I believe the police did everything right? They didn’t do everything right. A man is dead because of their actions.

Isn’t the main thing that we both agree it being relevant? Me, actually quoting your post on it to endorse this...

Of course it’s relevant. And I hope the prosecution press it, because you bet the defence will press it to hurt George..

I can’t say any more on it. That’s my lot on it...

BorneTobyWilde

https://twitter.com/Mufaa6/status/1266939792358551554

Danzy

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno,what the solution is....but there seems to be zero appitide among the american elite to tackle seemingly obvious social.issue


Deos anyone honestly expect things to get better for your average yank over next 5 to 8 years under biden or trump??

That policeman isnt ever going to face justice,the world and its mother knows this,the rioters arent stupid,they know it too(could as easily be any of them.killed that way),misguided maybe,but not stupid....

theres an absolute vast pool of discontent,disillustionment and anger,that if someone taps into it

Would give them a v.powerful platform to push for reform....trump had it,and blew it spectacularly....idk.the way back for america here,but it cant keep going way it is

Pretty much spot on.

Danzy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think that was my exact point.

Sorry, i might have a touch of sun stroke.

Overheal

Columbia and Charleston have sporadic riots. I’m not far away in St George atm. Will be driving home to Clemson tonight. Concerned about the university becoming a flashpoint, because of its Segregationist past: Benjamin Tillman, Strom Thurmond, slave workers, etc.

RasTa

They will be shooting the antifa heads now that Trump has given them terrorist status.

Just remembered I had a cop car pull up lights flashing on me when I was in Vegas for jay walking. Mad place

Guy:Incognito

walshb wrote: »

But why you are still on and on and on about it is odd. Is it because you want to believe that I am anti George here, and pro police? And that I believe the police did everything right? They didn’t do everything right. A man is dead because of their actions..

Youve been at pains to point out how you arent, but have consistently sprinkled in "buts" .

There isnt an anti Floyd position to take here, what happened is indefensible to most right thinking people. Doesnt stop people trying to shove some blame his way. A few blatant, with "If he didnt do anything wrong he'd be still alive" . Others come in softly softly, with "if hes shown to have resisted" and his past . The leaving out of Chauvins past is the same thing imo, and from what I can se, is a deliberate attempt at the same thing as going on about Floyds past, insinuating his past means he put himself where he ended up.

nervous_twitch

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Two separate protests in Dublin regarding an incident not related to this country.

What an embarrassment.

So embarrasing. Showing solidarity and support for the victims of fatal, endemic racism at the hands of those who are supposed to protect us in a democratized society that is not much unlike our own. Morto for them. We're grand like.

ThewhiteJesus

It was just bad technique by the cop,no way is it murder

BorneTobyWilde

Sancho fired up. 2500-1 to score a hat trick, does it and this .


https://twitter.com/PatrickTimmons1/status/1267152574794403845

Guy:Incognito

RasTa wrote: »

They will be shooting the antifa heads now that Trump has given them terrorist status.

Its funny how he never has issues with people that rock up to places armed and with actual swastikas on them.

Only an idiot could think that the armed forces shooting people in the streets of their own cities will calm everyone down. Even some of the people who have no issue with the army going abroad and killing civilians over there cos theyre just foreigners will start to get antsy. What if the government decide they they or their families are wrong'uns next?

People with weird phobias about "the socialists " getting in to power if Biden wins in November should look dimly on these sorts of actions by presidents,just like him being a big baby about twitter. If the Democrats are as bad as their made up fantasy's then Trump is legitamising the same being done to them if Biden wins.

Rodney Bathgate

nervous_twitch wrote: »

So embarrasing. Showing solidarity and support for the victims of fatal, endemic racism at the hands of those who are supposed to protect us in a democratized society that is not much unlike our own. Morto for them. We're grand like.

Let’s hope ‘Antifa’ fascist scum don’t turn them into riots like they have in the US.

Guy:Incognito

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Sancho fired up. 2500-1 to score a hat trick, does it and this .

That cant be right, surely? 2500-1 for a top level forward against the leagues bottom side?

Completely OT I realise BTW.

ToddDameron

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Youve been at pains to point out how you arent, but have consistently sprinkled in "buts" .

There isnt an anti Floyd position to take here, what happened is indefensible to most right thinking people. Doesnt stop people trying to shove some blame his way. A few blatant, with "If he didnt do anything wrong he'd be still alive" . Others come in softly softly, with "if hes shown to have resisted" and his past . The leaving out of Chauvins past is the same thing imo, and from what I can se, is a deliberate attempt at the same thing as going on about Floyds past, insinuating his past means he put himself where he ended up.

Can you drop it? I agree with lots of what you're saying but the thread is getting derailed with you two bickering.

standardg60

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

It was just bad technique by the cop,no way is it murder

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/30/video-timeline-george-floyd-death/?arc404=true

I've wanted to post this clip anyway but posts like this prove why it is essential.
Chauvin actually goes round to the passenger side of the vehicle and pulls Floyd back out by his legs. It was how he got from one side to the other.

walshb

ToddDameron wrote: »

Can you drop it? I agree with lots of what you're saying but the thread is getting derailed with you two bickering.

I’m out...

ThewhiteJesus

standardg60 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/30/video-timeline-george-floyd-death/?arc404=true

I've wanted to post this clip anyway but posts like this prove why it is essential.
Chauvin actually goes round to the passenger side of the vehicle and pulls Floyd back out by his legs. It was how he got from one side to the other.

Yes bad technique all round

Guy:Incognito

walshb wrote: »

I’m out...

Thats about 4 times now..........

Carfacemandog

Nermal wrote: »

I must have missed the looting associated with their protest.

When civil order breaks down and protests descend into violence, the police should use disproportionate force to restore it.

Criminality should be met with a greater threat from the state. Not an equal one.

Had police used tear gas and rubber bullets right off the bat like they did here, we both know that would have descended into a lot of violence too. Because that's what caused these riots to escalate so much a few days ago.

Of course, one group was heavily armed and the other was largely black - we know which the police would rather put the foot knee down on in that country.

walshb

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Thats about 4 times now..........

You’re just too magnetic!!!!

Guy:Incognito

standardg60 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/30/video-timeline-george-floyd-death/?arc404=true

I've wanted to post this clip anyway but posts like this prove why it is essential.
Chauvin actually goes round to the passenger side of the vehicle and pulls Floyd back out by his legs. It was how he got from one side to the other.

Subscription required. Is the video anywhere for free?

Is it the one from the far side of the street that shows all 3 on top of him?

BorneTobyWilde

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That cant be right, surely? 2500-1 for a top level forward against the leagues bottom side?

Completely OT I realise BTW.

I have no idea, just what I read. I didn't see it as an important fact to check.

Guy:Incognito

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

It was just bad technique by the cop,no way is it murder

And people wonder why I hammer on a point with people trying to defend indefensible positions.

Sarcozies

All these cases of police shootings in America and I've always seen the media and people use race as the case but I've never seen anyone say GENDER could be the issue. It's literally the biggest predictor that you will get shot by police. 95% of victims are male. You won't find any race represented like that.

Danzy

RasTa wrote: »

They will be shooting the antifa heads now that Trump has given them terrorist status.

Just remembered I had a cop car pull up lights flashing on me when I was in Vegas for jay walking. Mad place

They aren't going to start shooting upper class and middle class kids.

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BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Sancho fired up. 2500-1 to score a hat trick, does it and this.

“Shock news as celebrity risks nothing to side with popular cause”.

Call me if he sides with anarchists when they’re at the door of his mansion.

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

It was just bad technique by the cop,no way is it murder

Take into account the fact that they knew each other having worked as security guards at a night club and it changes the story. No way was it just bad technique. He may not have made a conscious decision to murder him but his actions caused the mans death and his actions were personal and racist.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

Take into account the fact that they knew each other having worked as security guards at a night club and it changes the story. No way was it just bad technique. He may not have made a conscious decision to murder him but his actions caused the mans death and his actions were personal and racist.

The racist angle doesn’t sit with me. Not saying he is not racist.

But I reckon Chauvin is just a nasty aggressive type person, and the color of the skin meant nothing to him. That could have been any color, and Chauvin would have been that forceful and aggressive..

Huge part issue is here is the constant forcing of color and race. It’s almost like it makes for a “better” story. This is people. Humans. Hurting and destroying each other.