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Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)
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Oh well, if you insist - one minute on Rathgar Road this morning - five commercial vehicles blocking footpath and cycle lane when they are needed most - three builders vans, one large truck and one taxi - nice, spacious driveways available for most of them too.AndrewJRenko wrote: »Can someone get back to posting about obstructions on paths?
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NOT MY REPLYSAndrewJRenko wrote: »Cars don’t have any lights when they’re parked with the engine off. They have a small pair of reflectors at the rear, often blocked by other cars. So no, they’re really not hi-vis at all. They are low-vis, and now, being extra, extra dark is marketed as an extra feature at extra cost;
https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/27/bmw-vbx6-vantablack-car-design/
While the drivers whinge about cyclists needing to look like builders.
So no need for cyclists to wear hi-vis then, given that they don’t have any different or duties, and are quite visible, once they have lights at night of course? That’s your logic, right?
Eh no, I’m guessing you don’t cycle much. I've never been nearly hit by a driver who didn't see me because of my lack of hi-vis. I’ve often been nearly hit by a driver who didn’t see me because they were playing with their phone. I’ve often been nearly hit by a driver who didn’t see me because they didn’t bother their ass looking in their mirror before they pulled out in traffic. And i’ve often been nearly hit by a driver while wearing hi-vis and with multiple lights, flashing and solid..
I’m not going to take lectures on ‘disregarding every law in the book’ from the lad who comes up with every excuse in the book for speeding drivers (which is, just in case you forgot, one of the top three causes of road deaths). I’m not going to take lectures on menacing pedestrians from those who kill one pedestrian each week on the road.
But aside from all that, isn’t the clear hypocrisy evident? The guy who steps out of his into busy city traffic multiple times every working shift doesn’t need hi-vis himself of course, but every other man/woman/child needs hi-vis to accommodate him apparently. Can you really not see through this?
So you were referring to fake or hypothetical environments, but you just forgot to mention it? Bart Simpsons has more credible excuses than yourself.
The veil slipped, you confirmed that hi-vis would indeed help for cars at night, and now you’re desperate to reel it back in to hide any possibility that drivers should be expected to take any action to stop them killing 2 or 3 people each week.
No it's only you constanstantly disregarding a 1/3 of the post to try and convince yourself that I was referring to night time, if I was referring to night time I would have typed night time not typed 3 different colours, Hell I wouldnt have even typed two colors.
Seriously, what makes you think I'm in and out of my car multiple times into traffic, do you think I deliver fast food or something?
It’s not that I don’t agree with you. I don’t see any credibility in the man who steps out into traffic multiple times on every working shift telling everyone else in the world except him and his car that they should be hi-vis. Breathtaking hypocrisy, almost Trumpian.
Well you seem to be introducing more and more requirements every time you post, however, I think that the 2 rear reflectors at bumper level, the 2 integrated reflectors in light clusters and the reflective number plate render a normal car quite visible to anyone driving with the requisite lights on.
Do you actually read replies? I referred to Garda cars having blue flashing lights, not all cars; “ picking out their cars - the cars with blue flashing lights and GARDA written in big letters on them.”.
But seriously, why would it be difficult to pick out Garda cars from all the hi-vissed cars, but not difficult to pick out Gardai from all the hi-vissed people? Why the double-standard?More of the Bart Simpson level debating there.
Says the man posting replies to himself, never mind though hopefully the effects of covid19 lockdown aren't permanent
Why would I answer, I'm not driving the buses or scheduling them, I did mention that if they just ran them continuously then the timetables probably wouldn't be that far out.No, you haven’t answered. I asked you why you would assume that I hadn’t reported the issue, and you didn’t answer the question. I asked you do you think it's OK for buses to be blocking paths and bike lanes at the time that they've never been needed more and you didn’t answer the question? I asked you why the bus can't just wait on the road and you didn’t answer the question?
Why would you expect the courtesy of a reply from me when you won’t give an answer yourself? Is this another one of those things that you expect other people to do but not yourself, like the oul hi-vis thing?
I thought I'd answered most of the silly posts you put up but still if you think I didn't then in your mind I didn't.
Can someone get back to posting about obstructions on paths?
Yeah definitely CoVid19 lockdown syndrome
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Will we go back to vehicles abandoned causing people to have to change direction and avoid them?
I had to move a whole 1m out from the pavement when driving round that corner, probably should get clamped for parking too close to a junction
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There is no disregarding. You’ve been invited repeatedly to clarify what you meant by the burgundy environment, and you couldn’t come up with anything. It really doesn’t matter whether you had night time in mind or not. You said that hi-vis for cars would help visibility in black or blue environments. Night time is a black or blue environment, so therefore you’ve confirmed that hi-vis will improve visibility for cars at night time.No it's only you constanstantly disregarding a 1/3 of the post to try and convince yourself that I was referring to night time, if I was referring to night time I would have typed night time not typed 3 different colours, Hell I wouldnt have even typed two colors.
But you’re not prepared to act on it and lead by example yourself, because you prefer to tell cyclists and pedestrians what to do and what to wear. What is so irresistible about lecturing cyclists?
You’re a taxi driver, right? Do you not help passengers with their luggage?Seriously, what makes you think I'm in and out of my car multiple times into traffic, do you think I deliver fast food or something?
It’s not my requirements, it is your own idea – that hi-vis would improve visibility for cars in black or blue environments, like night time. You said it, so why are you so desperate to pull it back now?Well you seem to be introducing more and more requirements every time you post, however, I think that the 2 rear reflectors at bumper level, the 2 integrated reflectors in light clusters and the reflective number plate render a normal car quite visible to anyone driving with the requisite lights on.
It’s funny how you’ve so little matters of fact that you can argue against that you’re now arguing about how I post, not what I’m actually saying. A bit sad really.Says the man posting replies to himself, never mind though hopefully the effects of covid19 lockdown aren't permanent
You’re contradicting yourself now. Which is it – did you answer or did you not?Why would I answer, I'm not driving the buses or scheduling them, I did mention that if they just ran them continuously then the timetables probably wouldn't be that far out.
I thought I'd answered most of the silly posts you put up but still if you think I didn't then in your mind I didn't.
You’re right, obstructions on paths are a much bigger issue now given the requirement for social distancing re Covid.Yeah definitely CoVid19 lockdown syndrome
So many false assumptions in this analysis.As to cars having no lights when they are parked and the engine is off, this is both false and irrelevant. Irrelevant, because nobody is claiming that your bicycle needs to be lit up like a Christmas tree when it's parked in the bike shed. That would be stupid. And false, because cars do have emergency light systems for times when the vehicle must be stopped in a place it might not be expected. This system is normally activated by a button on a drivers central control panel, and when activated turns on both pairs of flashing amber directional indicators. Like a bicycle that does not have elevated visibility requirements when it's parked in the bike shed, a car does not have elevated visibility requirements when parked in a driveway or parked properly in a car park. As to the BMW design, I agree it's not a good idea, as do many of the people in the comments section there.
You seem to assume that all the lights on the vehicle are working (they’re often not working). Many cars aren’t parked in a driveway or car park, they’re stored on public space on public roads overnight, often facing against traffic so that rear reflectors aren’t relevant. And drivers crash into them with alarming regularity;
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/1026/1085777-dangerous-driving-dublin/
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/drink-driver-crashes-four-parked-11272861
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pictured-car-ends-up-roof-4041660
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/motoring/278297/passing-car-crashed-into-two-parked-cars-on-busy-n80-road-through-mountmellick.html
Given that ‘more helmets and hi-vis’ is generally the drooling Pavlovian reaction to any crash involving a cyclists, I’m not clear on why it shouldn’t apply to cars too. Surely there would be less of these incidents if all cars were covered in hi-vis all around?
I’ll take these proposals seriously when the people making them have themselves and their vehicles covered in hi-vis.No. For reasons of both absolute and relative visibility, it would be a good idea. I don't think cyclists should be legally required to wear hi-vis, but recommended.
I’ve no idea why you consider the behaviour of other cyclists to be relevant to my posts. You’ve never seen me cycling, or if you have, you’ve never connected my cycling to my posting. So what has the behaviour of other cyclists got to do with the relevance or seriousness of my posts?And I'm not going to take lectures from sanctimonious hypocrites who pontificate from their ivory towers about "lawbreaking" given the manner in which cyclists behave in the real world. Nor do I care much for someone who constantly writes trash about Irish motorists when Irish road fatality statistics demonstrate that such trash is unwarranted.
Again, lots of assumptions there. I have four red rear lights in winter, some flashing, some solid – and still get the ‘Oh sorry I didn’t see you’ response. In winter, I regularly one or two cars each evening with no back lights because the driver doesn’t know how DRLs work. On every journey, I see cars with one or two broken brake lights or broken back lights.Firstly, in absolute terms a bicycle is generally not as well lit as a car, and cars are subject to very precise requirements for lights, brake lights, turning signals, reversing lights, two pairs of headlamps (high and low). A bicycle might only have one small light. Additional visibility would compliment this.
So your assumptions about visibility are false. Surely hi-vis stripes for all cars would improve visibility in all circumstances?
And same for cars, right? They’ll have all the same problems with mental blind spots so they should be covered in hi-vis at all times to help this?Secondly, in all the actions that human beings take, there will be a difference between what we see and what we perceive. Much of what we perceive is guided by interactions between our conscious and sub-conscious minds as much as our eyes. All human beings are guided almost as much by what we expect as what we encounter. That explains why stopping a car in the middle of the motorway (like they do in China) is so dangerous - the drivers behind may see the stopped car, but they don't expect cars to be stopped in the traffic stream and so might not perceive the danger in good time, making an accident/collision likely. So if you are cycling, for example, in twilight or late at night on a road with no cycle lane and on which cycling is not common, then a motorist might not perceive you in good time. Of course, as motorists we are told to "expect the unexpected." Any good motorist will do their best to observe their surroundings, avoid mental blind spots as much as possible, and treat any road users they observe with respect, but you can help them by enhancing your visibility.
For both of those reasons, you should err on the side of being more visible, not less.
Aimed at you, though referring to Spook , the lad who gets out of his car into traffic multiple times on each working shift but thinks that everyone else should wear hi-vis except him – just slightly hypocritical, no?Eh? Was that aimed at me?
Not so much the moaning as the actual actions that I’m sick of – I’m sick of motorists killing people, as a result of their speeding, their mobile phone use, their drink driving.So, you're sick of moaning about "motorists killing people" and "motorist break speed limits?"
It’s funny how you’ve so little matters of fact that you can argue against that you’re now arguing about how I post, not what I’m actually saying. A bit sad really.Indeed! there are some so strange even and that crave attention so much, they even reply to their own posts because almost everyone else is ignoring them!0 -
This is what you saidAndrewJRenko wrote: »There is no disregarding. You’ve been invited repeatedly to clarify what you meant by the burgundy environment, and you couldn’t come up with anything. It really doesn’t matter whether you had night time in mind or not. You said that hi-vis for cars would help visibility in black or blue environments. Night time is a black or blue environment, so therefore you’ve confirmed that hi-vis will improve visibility for cars at night time.
But you’re not prepared to act on it and lead by example yourself, because you prefer to tell cyclists and pedestrians what to do and what to wear. What is so irresistible about lecturing cyclists?
This is what I repliedAndrewJRenko wrote: »So a black or burgandy or navy car wouldn't be significantly more visible when parked if hi-vis stripes were fitted on all sides?Just keep digging
It's unlikely, unless it were parked in a black or burgundy or navy environment, maybe if it was speeding perhaps or killing 4 or 5 people a week it would benefit from hi viz stripes
Does not mean night time and your convolutions to try and make it mean night time are just you, I have never seen a black, burgandy or navy night as nights tend to consist of multiple colors rather than one overall hue of any color, so really time you dropped the "you said night time" rubbish.
Now as regards pedestrians and cyclists wearing Hi Viz, yes I said that I prefer them to, because it does (and it's a scientific fact) that Hi Viz renders pedestrians and cyclists more visible, now if you want to go the whole hog and go for the visible extras like present day cars feel free to stick a DRL system on you bicycle like these, but if you don't want to go high tech then go Hi Viz
Not normally no, majority of my work would be people from pubs, they have a tendency NOT to be carrying luggageYou’re a taxi driver, right? Do you not help passengers with their luggage?
It's only you that keeps dropping burgandy to try and make it sound as though I was talking about night time, don't you think this tack of yours has ran its course?It’s not my requirements, it is your own idea – that hi-vis would improve visibility for cars in black or blue environments, like night time. You said it, so why are you so desperate to pull it back now?It’s funny how you’ve so little matters of fact that you can argue against that you’re now arguing about how I post, not what I’m actually saying. A bit sad really.
Try reading that while looking in a mirror.
Yes I did as far as timetables and my estimation of the effect of not stopping for prolonged times at termini, did you not read it.You’re contradicting yourself now. Which is it – did you answer or did you not?
they're the same size now as they were before CoVid19You’re right, obstructions on paths are a much bigger issue now given the requirement for social distancing re Covid.
FYPSo many false assumptions in this analysis.
You seem to assume that all the lights on the vehicle are working (they’re often sometimesnot working). Many cars aren’t parked in a driveway or car park, they’re stored on public space on public roads overnight, often facing against traffic Illegal in the UK if not illegal here it should be so that rear reflectors aren’t relevant. And drivers crash into them with alarming regularity;
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/1026/1085777-dangerous-driving-dublin/ Stolen vehicle probably not caring as he was making a getaway after a robbery
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/drink-driver-crashes-four-parked-11272861Title says it all, drunken drivingt is understood that the driver then abandoned the car and attempted to hijack another vehicle in the area, threatening the driver. No one was injured in the incident.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pictured-car-ends-up-roof-4041660No information as to cause of crash, didn't see it, swerved to avoid something, using a mobile etc.
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/motoring/278297/passing-car-crashed-into-two-parked-cars-on-busy-n80-road-through-mountmellick.htmlBehind a paywall
there'd be less if people didn't break the law but we aren't in a utopian societyGiven that ‘more helmets and hi-vis’ is generally the drooling Pavlovian reaction to any crash involving a cyclists, I’m not clear on why it shouldn’t apply to cars too. Surely there would be less of these incidents if all cars were covered in hi-vis all around?
Why do I need to, do you not think DRLs are sufficent
I’ll take these proposals seriously when the people making them have themselves and their vehicles covered in hi-vis.
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If I were constantly in and out of my taxi into traffic, I'd actually agree with you and wear a Hi Viz jacket, but I'm not in and out of the car, and as I said any such time I'm changing my wheels I wear a Hi Viz and use hazard lights, so I don't know where you're trying to go with it.Aimed at you, though referring to Spook , the lad who gets out of his car into traffic multiple times on each working shift but thinks that everyone else should wear hi-vis except him – just slightly hypocritical, no?
Ah how I've missed you're little speeding cars mantra, nice to see it now includes mobile phone use. Question for you though,Not so much the moaning as the actual actions that I’m sick of – I’m sick of motorists killing people, as a result of their speeding, their mobile phone use, their drink driving.
if it's dangerous to use a mobile while driving and indeed illegal without hands free should the same rule not apply to cyclists and maybe even pedestriansIt’s funny how you’ve so little matters of fact that you can argue against that you’re now arguing about how I post, not what I’m actually saying. A bit sad really.
Seems to me that's exactly what you're doing with Black, Burgandy and Navy colored cars but sure what would I know?0 -
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TaurenDruid wrote: »Stepped out on to a zebra crossing in Howth yesterday evening. Car stopped. Bike came straight on through and the woman on the bike looked genuinely puzzled as to why someone would step out into the road... Might have been a visitor to Ireland, but unlikely given covid, and everywhere has zebra crossings, don't they?
You obviously weren't wearing Hi-Viz!
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07Lapierre wrote: »You obviously weren't wearing Hi-Viz!
I was not, it's true. I was carrying a bright yellow and white mango and vanilla ice cream cone, though.0 -
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