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Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)
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So, no evidence. Not even a hypothetical case.LeinsterDub wrote: »Simple probability.Funny how you're not allowed enter any kind of motorsport competition without a helmet seeing as they're so pointless isnt it? I suppose you know best though...
Umm ... you do both realise that F1 competitions - and the cars they use - are different to normal driving for transport, right?AndrewJRenko wrote: »And yet for all those safety systems, still far more people are killed in cars than on bikes - so surely there is room for more, something like the F1 drivers or rally drivers would use.
I actually don't care. If you'd rather split your skull in an accident than a piece of plastic, that's entirely your business - as long as you don't cry about the injury you could have avoided or lessened when it happens.Alternatively, perhaps you'd like to come up with some actual evidence that cycle helmets save lives for cyclists in Ireland?
They are compensatory mechanisms. A car will be massive and lit up like a Christmas tree, a bicycle small and with much less lighting. And if the bike is being taken on a road where cycling is not common, then in certain cases you might fall into a motorists mental blind spot. Spook pointed out much earlier in the thread how effective hi-vis is.If you’ve yet to realise, you’ve hit on the point that a number of us are making. How on earth does a yellow jacket and a flimsy bit of polystyrene and plastic in anyway ‘compensate’ for the wide variety of safety systems that I enjoy as I driver. When other drivers contemptuously suggest that ‘cyclists should......insert ineffective safety measure here’ it’s hard to take it seriously.Spot two horses or maybe the same horse twice,
The helmet is another compensatory mechanism. Most likely any collision you're involved in will be at a lower speed than the typical motor vehicle on motor vehicle collision, but you have no safety devices whatsoever versus the motorists that have loads of them. As has been correctly pointed out, a helmet won't do a cyclist much good if they're hit at 200kph, but that's not the use case helmets are designed for.
By the way, motorcyclists do normally wear helmets ... I wonder why?
In places that may well be warranted. No problem then. Of course, even with the best bike lanes, cyclists will still disregard them and mix with the cars, so the safety advantage becomes less clear.The only real way for cyclists to be safe is segregation from cars and that means taking road space from cars.
Yes, I wonder why :rolleyes:It won’t be lost on you that no where in the world do the suggestions that I made exists - so it’s quite hard to provide the evidence that you so dearly need.
If there was evidence that F1 helmets saved significant numbers of motorists lives in cases where properly functioning seat belts, air bags, crumple zones and other safety systems were inadequate, then yes. Same is true of hi-vis on my car - but Andrew could only find cases of motorists crashing into cars when they were taking the piss with speed, drunk, driving a stolen car, or on a road that is known to be dangerous. So no evidence.I would imagine that you’d be first into the high vis yellow paint shop and flimsy hat shop when the evidence is provided.0 -
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Motorists already have seat belts and airbags.If you're in a car and an accident is bad enough that your seat belt and airbag don't protect you, a helmet wouldn't make any difference. That's why motorists don't wear them.
Anecdotal evidence is useless i know... but this photo shows a car on a residential street ( where speed limit is 30 or maybe 50) ... I'm sure their were no head/neck injuries. (note that the airbags have not gone off?)0 -
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Again, you're contradicting yourself by confirming that drivers have loads of safety features there to protect them.The helmet is another compensatory mechanism. Most likely any collision you're involved in will be at a lower speed than the typical motor vehicle on motor vehicle collision, but you have no safety devices whatsoever versus the motorists that have loads of them. As has been correctly pointed out, a helmet won't do a cyclist much good if they're hit at 200kph
So how then do so many end up with head injuries and why don't drivers wear helmets (and HANS) to protect themselves against potential injuries?
I take it for granted that the insurance companies would prefer if drivers wore these safety features as it would inevitably reduce claims - should therefore reduce premiums also which would be a secondary benefit to drivers!
Can you link to a cycling helmet that was designed and tested for a motor vehicle collision?but that's not the use case helmets are designed for.
What is the name of the EU test to confirm the safety rating of a cycling helmet in a vehicle collision?
EN 1078?
89/686/EC?0 -
Thats not true. I have nothing against cyclists, I was delighted when I saw more older people, teenagers and families on the bike. But there are certain type of attitudes that I can't stand and they are all displayed in this thread. I wouldn't be surprised if personal messages or mentions in cycling forum were posted so as many as possible would show up in here to slap each other's backs.
Personally I even have no issues with cyclists on the pavements of they ard empty I even go on them myself sometimes when cycling with kids. If there are no people there it allows cars get by faster and in that way nobody is inconvenienced. However there is no point discussing something like that because testosterone in this thread would just drown any nuances.
I don't define myself as cyclists as I don't define myself as walker, runer or a driver however I do all of it. You won't put me off cycling but if I wasn't cycling already you are certainly not making it attractive with your attitude.
I'm a cyclist myself you know.
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Image must be fake, staged or at the very least, well timed. There are a dozen cyclists waiting at a red light! And not one jumper07Lapierre wrote: »I think it’s started already! Geez a bicycle traffic jam!
https://twitter.com/__kbaker__/status/1272246876985843712?s=21
Firstly, anyone going fast enough in an urban area to flip their car in a collision should not be on the road. Second, if the driver walked away from that, it was because of both their seat belt and the fact that the top of the car frame did not crumple. Now, if they didn't have seat belts or an upper frame on their vehicle, like say, a motorcyclist ...07Lapierre wrote: »Anecdotal evidence is useless i know... but this photo shows a car on a residential street ( where speed limit is 30 or maybe 50) ... I'm sure their were no head/neck injuries. (note that the airbags have not gone off?)
Yes, but 9,999 posts of "driver tested, no drugs" or "tax, insurance and NCT up to date" would be rather boring, and it wouldn't fit the agenda of some of the posters here.TaurenDruid wrote: »Selective, though. The account is there specifically to highlight exceptions.
One drunk driver is too many, obviously. But as a percentage of drivers? The number of drunk/drug, banned, and/or uninsured drivers is tiny.0 -
Image must be fake, staged or at the very least, well timed. There are a dozen cyclists waiting at a red light! And not one jumper
Firstly, anyone going fast enough in an urban area to flip their car in a collision should not be on the road. Second, if the driver walked away from that, it was because of both their seat belt and the fact that the top of the car frame did not crumple. Now, if they didn't have seat belts or an upper frame on their vehicle, like say, a motorcyclist ...
Yeah sure...
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