Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

SeanW

07Lapierre wrote: »

Ah that's OK then...no one was hurt (this time)..no harm done.

Well that's exactly the standard that some people are using to deflect from cyclists jumping red lights and menacing pedestrians on the footpath.

Perhaps not your good self, but it seems to be a common standard here.

07Lapierre

SeanW wrote: »

Well that's exactly the standard that some people are using to deflect from cyclists jumping red lights and menacing pedestrians on the footpath.

Perhaps not your good self, but it seems to be a common standard here.

Here you go... as you can see cyclists jumping lights and riding on pavements are major contributors to road deaths in Ireland! This report makes for sober reading....

https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Fatal%20Collision%20Stats/Road_Collision_Factbooks_and_Tables/Road%20Casualties%20and%20Collisions%20in%20Ireland%202017%20Provisional.pdf

Spook_ie

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why don't you go and read the research referenced in the RTE report, then you can come back and tell us why the international experts are all wrong.

And no, it's not really clear enough at all. Are you saying that all /most pavement cyclists have intent to menace?, while the elderly couple who "it was a miracle that no one was seriously hurt" get off the hook?

Do you have to have intent from someone to feel menaced?

Example, If you were walking along a darkened street at 3-4 am and had 3 or 4 guys following you and getting closer would you feel menaced until they cross the road, pass you or turn off. If you have a heightened sense of possible danger then that is menace be it intentional or not. and you can feel menaced by cyclists on footpaths.

Spook_ie

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Eaten bread is soon forgotten:)

That it is, so having correctly ID'd the poster, what news of them?

AndrewJRenko

SeanW wrote: »

Well that's exactly the standard that some people are using to deflect from cyclists jumping red lights and menacing pedestrians on the footpath.

Perhaps not your good self, but it seems to be a common standard here.

From the singing the praises of Irish motorists for only killing 2 or 3 people each week, this is a little rich.

AndrewJRenko

Spook_ie wrote: »

Do you have to have intent from someone to feel menaced?

Example, If you were walking along a darkened street at 3-4 am and had 3 or 4 guys following you and getting closer would you feel menaced until they cross the road, pass you or turn off. If you have a heightened sense of possible danger then that is menace be it intentional or not. and you can feel menaced by cyclists on footpaths.

You've missed my point.

The point was to demonstrate just how far down the rabbit hole Sean has gone. To claim that the average footpath cyclist is 'menacing with intent' while simultaneously making excuses for speeding drivers and (at best) incompetent drivers is beyond parody, beyond ridicule, beyond comprehension.

Hurrache

Spook_ie wrote: »

Example, If you were walking along a darkened street at 3-4 am and had 3 or 4 guys following you and getting closer would you feel menaced until they cross the road, pass you or turn off. If you have a heightened sense of possible danger then that is menace be it intentional or not. and you can feel menaced by cyclists on footpaths.

Didn't Happy Days spawn a well used phrase after it similarly was responsible for something as ridiculous as that post? We can't use "you've been spooked" as that's already in use, "spookied", nah, other implications.

This thread is hilariously awful though.

07Lapierre

Spook_ie wrote: »

Do you have to have intent from someone to feel menaced?

Example, If you were walking along a darkened street at 3-4 am and had 3 or 4 guys following you and getting closer would you feel menaced until they cross the road, pass you or turn off. If you have a heightened sense of possible danger then that is menace be it intentional or not. and you can feel menaced by cyclists on footpaths.

Is it this Guy?

Pinch Flat

07Lapierre wrote: »

Is it this Guy?

Not just a cyclist. A TT cyclist. :eek:

Hurrache

Well at least it's not a triathlete, severe lack of bottle cages and kit bags, and no sucky straw on its handlebars make that case.

https://twitter.com/tomflood1/status/1274696980829265928

magicbastarder

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Not just a cyclist. A TT cyclist. :eek:

how come no-one has ever made a TT helmet like that? it'd be genius.

meeeeh

Well it's good to know there are no issues so we can just carry on as before.

Thelonious Monk

Make sure to wear high vis so vehicles can see you

Hurrache

Not only do they not know how wide their vehicles are given the amount of close passes, they don't know how high they are either.

Bridge mustn't have had a helmet or bell, that's the only excuse left for that driver to try now.

07Lapierre

Hurrache wrote: »

Not only do they not know how wide their vehicles are given the amount of close passes, they don't know how high they are either.

Bridge mustn't have had a helmet or bell, that's the only excuse left for that driver to try now.

Hi viz only works at night. No Day-glow panels on the bridge? yes that must be it.

Pinch Flat

07Lapierre wrote: »

Hi viz only works at night. No Day-glow panels on the bridge? yes that must be it.

Needed flashing lights on the bridge as well. Anyone know if bridges pay road tax?

AndrewJRenko

07Lapierre wrote: »

Is it this Guy?

Look, you should really ask for permission before you publish my photo.

07Lapierre

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Needed flashing lights on the bridge as well. Anyone know if bridges pay road tax?

Bridges! Lawbreaking scum! why in the name of God was a bridge there in the first place? they seem to think they are "higher" than the rest of us"

07Lapierre

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Needed flashing lights on the bridge as well. Anyone know if bridges pay road tax?

Please, this thread has been "derailled" enough! don't bring road tax up again.

meeeeh

07Lapierre wrote: »

Please, this thread has been "derailled" enough! don't bring road tax up again.

it wasn't derailed at all. It just continues to create constant stream of superiority. I think we established that some of you think you are better than everyone else. This thread is about nothing else for a long time.

Thelonious Monk

meeeeh wrote: »

it wasn't derailed at all. It just continues to create constant stream of superiority. I think we established that some of you think you are better than everyone else. This thread is about nothing else for a long time.

As a city dweller I think cycling should be given more investment as it's been nothing but investment in motors till now, and cycling in cities yes is better for everyone and better for the city.
Motorists fume (literally and figuratively) that they have to share the roads with cyclists because they might be held up a few seconds or they have to be more attentive and look up from their phone to avoid killing anyone.
There's only one group with a superiority complex.

07Lapierre

meeeeh wrote: »

it wasn't derailed at all. It just continues to create constant stream of superiority. I think we established that some of you think you are better than everyone else. This thread is about nothing else for a long time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#615516696f6c

meeeeh

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

As a city dweller I think cycling should be given more investment as it's been nothing but investment in motors till now, and cycling in cities yes is better for everyone and better for the city.
Motorists fume (literally and figuratively) that they have to share the roads with cyclists because they might be held up a few seconds or they have to be more attentive and look up from their phone to avoid killing anyone.
There's only one group with a superiority complex.

I agree with the first part of your post. And the second parts shows very well why you are not getting anywhere. Nobody likes you (as a group).

meeeeh

07Lapierre wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#615516696f6c

Is that one of those Vantine's Day type studies because I found no underlying data reported like how much someone drives, age groups and similar.

AndrewJRenko

meeeeh wrote: »

Nobody likes you (as a group).

I'm cracking up here.

It reminds me of all the 'tone policing' of the mostly young ladies on the Repeal campaign, telling them how they really should be nicer and more polite to the mostly older men who wanted to control their bodies.

We know how that ended up.

micar

07Lapierre wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#615516696f6c

Totally accept and believe that. You can also add being more patient behind the wheel.

Day believes cyclists tend to be more aware of their surroundings than motorists.

“Cycling trains you to be more alert to the dangers of road use and better able to anticipate hazards,” explained Day.

liamog

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Motorists fume (literally and figuratively) that they have to share the roads with cyclists because they might be held up a few seconds or they have to be more attentive and look up from their phone to avoid killing anyone.

It's attitudes like this that annoy me about some members of the cycling lobby. There are people in all modes of transport that behave terribly on the roads. From pedestrians who play chicken, cyclists on pavements, motorists breaking red lights, taxi drivers who cut off everybody, bus drivers who don't know the size of their vehicle. Tarring everybody with the same brush just put's people on the defensive.

Most motorists would probably love proper segregated cycle facilities as it removes conflict between drastically different road users, but instead of trying to reach a mutually beneficial solution we end up slinging mud at each other because of a few bad apples.

Thelonious Monk

meeeeh wrote: »

I agree with the first part of your post. And the second parts shows very well why you are not getting anywhere. Nobody likes you (as a group).

No one likes us we don't care, as they say in Millwall. But cycling groups are still making strides. I don't think Dublin will be the car chocked nightmare it has been in 15 or 20 years. There'll be more and more cyclists and soon the person who thinks he can drive wherever he likes whenever he likes in the city centre will be rare.

07Lapierre

meeeeh wrote: »

Nobody likes you (as a group).

But, But you don't even know me! Do you?

ewc78

liamog wrote: »

It's attitudes like this that annoy me about some members of the cycling lobby. There are people in all modes of transport that behave terribly on the roads. From pedestrians who play chicken, cyclists on pavements, motorists breaking red lights, taxi drivers who cut off everybody, bus drivers who don't know the size of their vehicle. Tarring everybody with the same brush just put's people on the defensive.

Most motorists would probably love proper segregated cycle facilities as it removes conflict between drastically different road users, but instead of trying to reach a mutually beneficial solution we end up slinging mud at each other because of a few bad apples.

The same poster you are replying too I believe was the one who posted he actually tries to annoy motorists on purpose and takes great delight when he does...Amazing hypocrisy.