Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

Spook_ie

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I didn't say non-existent problem, though it's interesting yet again how far you have to twist my words to find something to argue with. And you seem to have missed the point about the stubbies, which were put in for the farmers market, not the cycle lane, as I mentioned above.

And again, it is fascinating to see your assumptions about what the RNLI manager was doing last year? Have you had a good chat with him about this, or have you just jumped to conclusions based on one line of one article which mentions nothing about last year at all? All this article shows is that (surprise, surprise) some people get very uppity when facilities are provided for cyclists. But anyone who's spent any time on this thread would already know that.



It seems to be just yourself that has a problem with this, so I can only suggest that you
1) Try reading the full post before responding, or
2) Take it up with the moderators and stop your back seat moderating.

I actually read full articles before posting, it isn't a one line comment i'm responding to, unlike you and your twisting of "He didn't actually say they had a problem. He said they were working towards an amicable solution - slightly different" how many people work towards an amicable solution if there isn't a problem?
Just so you know what problem he was apparently referring to

Access from Queen's Road 'is the primary access route used by volunteer lifeboat crew in the provision of its 24/7 lifesaving service and it is restricted as a result' Mr Wynne says.

The stubbies were put in to prevent entry exit via the entryway adjacent to the Lifeboat station

DLRCC as a local authority and a road authority has a duty of care to all road users, particularly vulnerable road users such as cyclists and pedestrians, and the mobility interventions, including the provision of a 2-way segregated cycle way, have necessitated changes to the road layout along Queen’s Road and in the Harbour area. In order to avoid a conflict between cyclists on the 2-way cycle way and vehicles, it was deemed necessary from a safety perspective to prevent access to vehicles via the access point in the Harbour closest to the East Pier. However, there are still clear vehicle access routes through to the RNLI lifeboat station in the Harbour via the Marine Road/Crofton Road junction and at York Road/Crofton Road junction, via the Cold Quay Bridge.

Luckily it seems that DLR coco have decided that the experiment of having the farmers market on Queens Rd as well has been done away with.

The dlr CoCo Markets was located on a trial basis on Queens Road on 12th July but this will not continue and the Market will be relocated to nearby locations which means that Queens Road will be open to vehicular traffic under the new one-way system during the week and at weekends.

AndrewJRenko

Spook_ie wrote: »

Luckily it seems that DLR coco have decided that the experiment of having the farmers market on Queens Rd as well has been done away with.

So nothing to do with the cycle facilities then. That's what I thought.

meeeeh wrote: »

So drivers are killing people but you object to use of word accident because it is not neutral. Oh the irony...

It is factually correct to say that drivers are killing people. It is not factually correct to say that any collision is accidental until you have completed a full investigation. It is an assumption.

meeeeh

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So nothing to do with the cycle facilities then. That's what I thought.


It is factually correct to say that drivers are killing people. It is not factually correct to say that any collision is accidental until you have completed a full investigation. It is an assumption.

How is it factually correct to say anything before investigation is fully completed? You wouldn't be one of those who end up in lynch mobs because they know better?

Spook_ie

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So nothing to do with the cycle facilities then. That's what I thought.


It is factually correct to say that drivers are killing people. It is not factually correct to say that any collision is accidental until you have completed a full investigation. It is an assumption.

You are so full of B.S. you can't even see it when it's laid out in black and white in front of you.

[DLRCC as a local authority and a road authority has a duty of care to all road users, particularly vulnerable road users such as cyclists and pedestrians, and the mobility interventions, including the provision of a 2-way segregated cycle way, have necessitated changes to the road layout along Queen’s Road and in the Harbour area. In order to avoid a conflict between cyclists on the 2-way cycle way and vehicles, it was deemed necessary from a safety perspective to prevent access to vehicles via the access point in the Harbour closest to the East Pier.

Tea drinker

Spook_ie wrote: »

The stubbies were put in to prevent entry exit via the entryway adjacent to the Lifeboat station





Luckily it seems that DLR coco have decided that the experiment of having the farmers market on Queens Rd as well has been done away with.

Saw those this weekend and was a bit surprised by the stubbies as it moves a lot of traffic to the next traffic lights. (2 passes instead of one necessary under one way system) Having the marquis setup on the road, fine, do it one day a year when the red bull thing is on or some such, but there is a huge park, lots of adjacent places to put stalls. Quite ignorant to plonk it on the road. This past weekend some of the artists were moved to the stand just in front of the club house, and it seems a good fit, were they even used for people walking before?
Lay by gone which accomadated ~5 cars, parking for ~15 cars adjacent the 40ft gone, Killiney hill parking gone. 40 million on a library that struggles to open at the weekend...More money then sense in DLRCOCO ?

SPDUB

SeanW wrote: »

I suppose it beats going to the Alexandria Occasional-Cortex school of statistics.

Any particular reason you are using American political slurs in a thread about cycling in Ireland

kenmm

This must be the worst thread on boards. No winners here.

micar

kenmm wrote: »

This must be the worst thread on boards. No winners here.

Totally agree.

Tea drinker

SPDUB wrote: »

Any particular reason you are using American political slurs in a thread about cycling in Ireland

Any particular reason you ignored the first use of us political slang (Trumpian in nature by Andrew) but decided to hone in on this one

Thargor

SPDUB wrote: »

Any particular reason you are using American political slurs in a thread about cycling in Ireland

Twitter and Facebook tend to rot weaker minds so bicycles/climate/change/vaccines/facemasks/socialism/anything progressive all end up being classed as THE ENEMY. 2 of the most toxic companies in history imo.

meeeeh

Thargor wrote: »

Twitter and Facebook tend to rot weaker minds so bicycles/climate/change/vaccines/facemasks/socialism/anything progressive all end up being classed as THE ENEMY. 2 of the most toxic companies in history imo.

Well considering how much Twitter is quoted in this thread quite a bit of rotting is done. Or are weaker minds classified as those who don't agree with you?

SeanW

SPDUB wrote: »

Any particular reason you are using American political slurs in a thread about cycling in Ireland

It seemed fair with all the "Trump" and "Trumpian" nonsense thrown around by cyclists. BTW it wasn't just Andrew, though he is the main offender.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's the Trumpian approach. Keep repeating a lie often enough and hope that it sticks.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The Trumpian approach is the introduction of the international comparison, when it's not really relevant. All it shows it that no other country has bothered to really get to grips with this issue.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It’s quite Trumpian in nature, so far detached from the actual reality of what happens on the roads.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It’s not that I don’t agree with you. I don’t see any credibility in the man who steps out into traffic multiple times on every working shift telling everyone else in the world except him and his car that they should be hi-vis. Breathtaking hypocrisy, almost Trumpian.

Hurrache wrote: »

I see you're from the Trump school of statistics.

AndrewJRenko

kenmm wrote: »

This must be the worst thread on boards. No winners here.

Could be worse though - could be the thread with one of the 'best and safest drivers in the world' boasting about posting to boards.ie while driving.

TaurenDruid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Could be worse though - could be the thread with one of the 'best and safest drivers in the world' boasting about posting to boards.ie while driving.

Or the deliveroo, just eat and "ordinary" cyclists using their phones while cycling, being surprised by lampposts jumping out in front of them.

AndrewJRenko

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Or the deliveroo, just eat and "ordinary" cyclists using their phones while cycling, being surprised by lampposts jumping out in front of them.

I haven't seen too many news reports of cyclists being killed or maimed after being surprised by lamp posts, so I'm guessing this isn't really a very big problem. In the unlikely situation of this happening, the person put at risk is the cyclist.

Whereas when drivers are playing with their phones and posting on boards, this is the kind of thing that happens - four people from one family getting wiped out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eojhtc6Wvsw

TaurenDruid

Using phone to text or read while driving or cycling - or, for that matter, crossing the road on foot = dumb.

07Lapierre

Ah yes. They do things differently in "The Kingdom"

SPDUB

Tea drinker wrote: »

Any particular reason you ignored the first use of us political slang (Trumpian in nature by Andrew) but decided to hone in on this one

Because that's a description of a style of Government by someone who is the head of Government whereas AOC is only one of 441 Representatives

SeanW

Trump is not "head of the government" of the United States. The US has 3 co-equal branches, Legislature (Congress), the Executive branch and the Judiciary. DJT is only head of one branch, the Executive. As for AOC, it looks like she and "the squad" are the future of the US Democratic Party.

Tea drinker

SPDUB wrote: »

Because that's a description of a style of Government by someone who is the head of Government whereas AOC is only one of 441 Representatives

Well you've strung together a sentence but pardon me if I see no real justification for your bias contained above.
Trumpian is a form of invocation for a group of people, it's not a crititique of his governance, it's a rejection of all things Trump. We are wandering far off track here, pardon the pun.

TallGlass2

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Using phone to text or read while driving or cycling - or, for that matter, crossing the road on foot = dumb.

Out of interest, anyone know if it is actually breaking the law using a phone cycling :pac:

Pinch Flat

TallGlass2 wrote: »

Out of interest, anyone know if it is actually breaking the law using a phone cycling :pac:

Your bike could mount the pavement, taking out anything in its path - pedestrians, cars, parked trucks or perhaps demolish a light pole or tree.

Spook_ie

TallGlass2 wrote: »

Out of interest, anyone know if it is actually breaking the law using a phone cycling :pac:

As it stands in Ireland and the UK no, if they wanted to charge you it would have to be reckless cycling or similar, however the Dutch have introduced a ban since July 2019, and I look forward to when we can get a similar ban here. But of course that's because I hate cyclists rather than thinking that cycling and Facebooking etc. is distracting from road safety.

https://www.eltis.org/discover/news/netherlands-prohibits-use-mobile-phones-bicycles#:~:text=In%20the%20Netherlands%2C%20since%201,are%20cognitively%20and%20visually%20distracted.

beauf

kenmm wrote: »

This must be the worst thread on boards. No winners here.

If you put the spammers on ignore it improves a lot. The thread is about 75% shorter aswell.

07Lapierre

Spook_ie wrote: »

As it stands in Ireland and the UK no, if they wanted to charge you it would have to be reckless cycling or similar, however the Dutch have introduced a ban since July 2019, and I look forward to when we can get a similar ban here. But of course that's because I hate cyclists rather than thinking that cycling and Facebooking etc. is distracting from road safety.

https://www.eltis.org/discover/news/netherlands-prohibits-use-mobile-phones-bicycles#:~:text=In%20the%20Netherlands%2C%20since%201,are%20cognitively%20and%20visually%20distracted.

Phew! At least they haven’t banned the use of earphones!

kenmm

07Lapierre wrote: »

Phew! At least they haven’t banned the use of earphones!

Didn't you get the earphones with the bike? Along with the instructional video in how to mount the kerbs and sail through lights. I mean obviously all cyclists are the same, that must of been when it happened?

AndrewJRenko

kenmm wrote: »

Didn't you get the earphones with the bike? Along with the instructional video in how to mount the kerbs and sail through lights. I mean obviously all cyclists are the same, that must of been when it happened?

I had to do a QQI Level 8 course to get those skills. They do it in the same place as the course for Audi drivers to assume that the road and paths are entirely empty, and the one for BMW drivers to stop using their indicators.

kenmm

Sometimes I get my BMW skills and my cycling skills mixed up. Its so confusing trying to adhere to the appropriate label.

Tea drinker

See this is the problem, the acute and chronic lack of awareness of cyclists. Page after page and yet no one seems to have noticed Golf drivers are the absolute worst!

07Lapierre

kenmm wrote: »

Didn't you get the earphones with the bike? Along with the instructional video in how to mount the kerbs and sail through lights. I mean obviously all cyclists are the same, that must of been when it happened?

I have to admit... I failed my Kerb "Bunny hopping" test recently. thankfully no one was around to witness it!