Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

fr336

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, I still don't understand how healthcare workers are still picking it up in high numbers relative to our total case numbers, although the article on mask wearing by hosptial staff might go part of the way

They're the eye of the storm surely, even with protection. You've got countless opportunities to pick this up as a healthcarer worker as Covid patients or potential Covid patients are in your place of work. There#'s also no accounting for the irresponsibility of the public turning up when they think they might have Covid and taking no precautions.

ACitizenErased

Not sure how the man says in an interview they went immediately into self-isolation but first went for a family meal.... christ.

Plumbthedepths

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, I still don't understand how healthcare workers are still picking it up in high numbers relative to our total case numbers, although the article on mask wearing by hosptial staff might go part of the way

Friend of my wife is delivering hygiene courses for return to work safely. She also runs hygiene courses for hospital staff. She told my wife she used a UV light to demonstrate the importance of porper hand washing. She recently gave a course to a group of nurses, several of whom had to be asked to wash their hands three times or more to pass the UV light test.

brighterspark

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do journalists do basic research?? The headline

"Ireland left out as EU opens borders to 15 states including Australia, Canada and Japan"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-left-out-as-eu-opens-borders-to-15-states-including-australia-canada-and-japan-1.4292678?mode=amp&utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Obviously only seeing what fits with the current message - very poor standard of journalism!

DebDynamite

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Up to 14 of our recent cases are related to the Sligo cluster at the moment.

Then you add in the healthcare worker cases and you get a fair idea of the actual numbers from the recent daily stats taking away the cluster and healthcare workers. Its not high.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/up-to-14-members-of-the-same-iraqi-family-at-centre-of-covid-cluster-in-sligo-1008362.html

14 cases coming from one person traveling from abroad, when there was probably feck all traveling into Sligo for the past couple of months. What could things be like when travel starts up again on a grander scale?

Arghus

cnocbui wrote: »

Ok, if I'm an idiot, what are the health care workers without masks?

Easy.


Unless there's some clear reason for them not to wear it then they're idiots too.

LiquidZeb

Arghus wrote: »

Easy.


Unless there's some clear reason for them not to wear it then they're idiots too.

Yeah go to the nearest hospital and tell the doctors and nurses who are unmasked that they're idiots. But it's easier to play the snarky intellectual on the internet isn't it?

BorneTobyWilde

Utah will get it bad in time. Mormons are calling it a hoax.

ACitizenErased

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah go to the nearest hospital and tell the doctors and nurses who are unmasked that they're idiots. But it's easier to play the snarky intellectual on the internet isn't it?

To be fair, every single person in a hospital rn should be wearing a mask.

Arghus

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah go to the nearest hospital and tell the doctors and nurses who are unmasked that they're idiots. But it's easier to play the snarky intellectual on the internet isn't it?

It wouldn't be an easy thing to do, but it wouldn't mean that I'm wrong.

Or do you agree that doctors and nurses shouldn't wear masks in hospitals at the moment?

You obviously want to take me down a peg, or something, but you are trying to do this by arguing in favour of something that's clearly foolish.

stargazer 68

ACitizenErased wrote: »

To be fair, every single person in a hospital rn should be wearing a mask.

But we don't except if you are in close contact with a patient. Haven't had a +case among staff or patients for 8 weeks.

BorneTobyWilde

If USA have done 32m tests , then they've tested 10% of the population

ACitizenErased

stargazer 68 wrote: »

But we don't except if you are in close contact with a patient. Haven't had a +case among staff or patients for 8 weeks.

And yet 16 of 35 cases Thursday-Saturday were healthcare workers.

LiquidZeb

Arghus wrote: »

It wouldn't be an easy thing to do, but it wouldn't mean that I'm wrong.

Or do you agree that doctors and nurses shouldn't wear masks in hospitals at the moment?

You obviously want to take me down a peg, or something, but you are trying to do this by arguing in favour of something that's clearly foolish.

You can say they should wear masks without calling them idiots. It really isn't that difficult.

schmoo2k

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Excellent idea this, a few more cities and towns would do well to adopt it

https://lovin.ie/amp/cork/outdoor-seating-huge-success-in-cork-as-pubs-and-restaurants-reopen

And this is why places like Italy or doing so well having relaxed lockdown - its when we all move back inside again that we need to be careful (same is true in FL now as summer time means indoors + aircon).

tiegan

Apologies if this was asked before but is there a covid briefing today?

Arghus

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You can say they should wear masks without calling them idiots. It really isn't that difficult.

Well, look, maybe they're not out and out idiots but certainly their behaviour is idiotic. Would you not agree?

Stheno

tiegan wrote: »

Apologies if this was asked before but is there a covid briefing today?

No briefings are Mondays and Thursdays now.

There'll be a press release about

LiquidZeb

Arghus wrote: »

Well, look, maybe they're not out and out idiots but certainly their behaviour is idiotic. Would you not agree?

Alright then go down to the hospital and tell the staff how to do their jobs Dr. House.

Arghus

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Alright then go down to the hospital and tell the staff how to do their jobs Dr. House.

So you think it's wrong to say that doctors and nurses working in hospitals should wear masks/facial coverings?

Quantum Erasure

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If USA have done 32m tests , then they've tested 10% of the population

or tested 5% of the population twice, or...

polesheep

fr336 wrote: »

Perfectly safe lol... The only difference between UK supermarkets and Irish supermarkets is that Ireland's cases in general are falling off a cliff. That doesn't make supermarkets perfectly safe, it makes Ireland safe. The story from Leicester undermines the argument that supermarkets are perfectly safe if an area is experiencing community spread.

We had community spread here and our supermarkets were perfectly safe. Customers gave each other space and the staff kept things running well. Credit where it is due.

stephenjmcd

Italy still keeping cases relatively low since reopening.

Total infected(ex Feb 21): 240,578
new cases: +142
W/virus 15,563
(-933 past 24 hrs)
Cured 190,248 (+1,052 past 24 hrs)
Total dead 34,767 (+26 past 24 hrs )
ICU 93 (-3)
Source: Civil Protection Agency

fr336

polesheep wrote: »

We had community spread here and our supermarkets were perfectly safe. Customers gave each other space and the staff kept things running well. Credit where it is due.

You travelled to every supermarket in the country? Customers gave each other space here too at the height of the lockdown but things have gone rapidly downhill - well actually it's back to normal now. No social distancing whatsoever. If Ireland does have an uptick in cases I'll be interested to see how people are second time around.

polesheep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, I still don't understand how healthcare workers are still picking it up in high numbers relative to our total case numbers, although the article on mask wearing by hosptial staff might go part of the way

I wonder if certain healthcare workers are exposed more than others. My wife is a nurse in a major hospital and none of her colleagues have tested positive. Mind you, they are only tested if they are unwell. As always, the devil is in the detail, which we never get.

polesheep

stargazer 68 wrote: »

But we don't except if you are in close contact with a patient. Haven't had a +case among staff or patients for 8 weeks.

I'm hearing the same thing. We need more detail on these healthcare cases. Perhaps it's not even the hospitals that are the problem. Healthcare covers a multitude.

polesheep

fr336 wrote: »

You travelled to every supermarket in the country? Customers gave each other space here too at the height of the lockdown but things have gone rapidly downhill - well actually it's back to normal now. No social distancing whatsoever. If Ireland does have an uptick in cases I'll be interested to see how people are second time around.

Why do you insist on relating the UK's problems to Ireland?

tom1ie

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, I still don't understand how healthcare workers are still picking it up in high numbers relative to our total case numbers, although the article on mask wearing by hosptial staff might go part of the way

Viral load no?
They are exposed to more of the virus for a longer duration of the time than your average joe.

polesheep

tom1ie wrote: »

Viral load no?
They are exposed to more of the virus for a longer duration of the time than your average joe.

Not necessarily and certainly not now with so few cases in hospital. Unless, of course, all of the healthcare cases were attributed to staff working directly with Covid patients, which i don't think is the case. Although who knows, as we aren't being given any details.

tom1ie

Arghus wrote: »

It wouldn't be an easy thing to do, but it wouldn't mean that I'm wrong.

Or do you agree that doctors and nurses shouldn't wear masks in hospitals at the moment?

You obviously want to take me down a peg, or something, but you are trying to do this by arguing in favour of something that's clearly foolish.

Nah he’s not. That’s just his tone. Hes always like that on here.