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How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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    #5582
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Its not a country :pac:

    Aye it is. :pac: :pac:


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    #5583
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    That's unfortunate, but many people live in a country they feel no affinity to. Perhaps it gives you an indication on how my community have felt for generations. Beyond commiserations, and attempts to make you feel welcome, there's not a huge pile else I can do. Should Unification happen, it will be because a majority voted for it, so in that case you'd have to make do with your hurt feelings.

    Except nationalists were born under this system. I was not born in ROI.

    It is not a battle of wanting to punish unionists so drop the bitterness.


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    #5584
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    It’s not about differences. It’s about being raised in NI and having affinity to this country.

    I’m not going to bother talking about the identity as I will get the usual nonsense about regional roi identities.

    While you were being raised in NI did you notice the passing of the GFA? And what that says about the wishes of a majority? It will be either you or those with no affinity to the UK who will have to accept what happens.


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    #5585
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Except nationalists were born under this system. I was not born in ROI.

    It is not a battle of wanting to punish unionists so drop the bitterness.

    What?


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    #5586
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    jm08 wrote: »
    Geography helps greatly. The river Tweed (and others), two national parks, mountains form natural boundaries. There are only a couple of roads between the two jurisdictions. It has a natural boundary unlike that of the British border in Ireland.

    Last time I looked there were a darn site more than a couple of roads. I am sure I have used many. You live on another planet


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    #5587
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    I don’t care what you call it. It’s my country and my home, not Ireland.

    i was born there and was treated like a second class citizen because of that kind of assertion. i see unionists haven't changed.


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    #5588
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    maccored wrote: »
    its a tiny statelet designed to always require someone to look after it. not a country by any stretch of the imagination.

    Why though is your desire any less valid that the nationalists desire to get rid of the artificial statelet that the 6 counties are?

    Also, why do unionists always blather on about Ulster - dont you know your geography?

    Ireland is a tiny insignificant backwater in world terms. Why would anyone want to belong to it when they can belong to one of the biggest economies in the world


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    #5589
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Its not a country :pac:

    Please don’t go there again. Unless you are prepared to set the criteria that makes a place a country? Otherwise it is a pointless game of tennis


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    #5590
    Fenzi
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭Fenzi


    downcow wrote: »
    Ireland is a tiny insignificant backwater in world terms. Why would anyone want to belong to it when they can belong to one of the biggest economies in the world
    We'll definitely see the benefits of that membership any day now, I mean it's been only been 100 years.


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    #5591
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    Ireland is a tiny insignificant backwater in world terms. Why would anyone want to belong to it when they can belong to one of the biggest economies in the world

    ...and get shafted and shafted again and again and again? No thanks, happy where I am.


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    #5592
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Northern ireland is deffo not a country kid
    it

    So have the balls to nail your colours to the mast. No point in just rambling
    What exactly makes a place a country in your world?


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    #5593
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    ...and get shafted and shafted again and again and again? No thanks, happy where I am.

    .....but your life seems so incomplete, without the country you clearly love, even more than your own, not joining with you in your little ‘two countries into one’ united ireland.
    I am sorry for your sadness but I won’t be helping you


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    #5594
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    downcow wrote: »
    So have the balls to nail your colours to the mast. No point in just rambling
    What exactly makes a place a country in your world?

    A sovereign state represented in International bodies such as the UN?


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    #5595
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    .....but your life seems so incomplete, without the country you clearly love, even more than your own, not joining with you in your little ‘two countries into one’ united ireland.
    I am sorry for your sadness but I won’t be helping you

    No borders in my mind or in my country downcow...that border is where it should be, in the sea.

    You have helped - Unionism has helped, to make this island complete again.


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    #5596
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    downcow wrote: »
    Ireland is a tiny insignificant backwater in world terms. Why would anyone want to belong to it when they can belong to one of the biggest economies in the world

    ? ye's voted to leave europe and now yous are complaining about the consequences. oh sorry! - are you talking of britain's fast failing economy? I hear the dutch are cashing in on the companies vacating britain


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    #5597
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    downcow wrote: »
    So have the balls to nail your colours to the mast. No point in just rambling
    What exactly makes a place a country in your world?

    not having to rely on an outside government for finance would be a basic requirement.


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    #5598
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    maccored wrote: »
    not having to rely on an outside government for finance would be a basic requirement.

    I wasn’t asking about basic requirements. I was asking what makes a place a country? Simple question


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    #5599
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    A sovereign state represented in International bodies such as the UN?

    You might want to rethink that! Lol
    That makes the UK a country (of which I am glad the UN says I belong). It means Scotland is not a country and it means the country of Ireland has 26 counties

    If carlsberg done countries......
    I love your definition


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    #5600
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    maccored wrote: »
    not having to rely on an outside government for finance would be a basic requirement.

    Would you tell Nicola sturgeon that Scotland is not a country due to the Barnet formula

    Facts are a pain in the ass!


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    #5601
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭eire4


    Fenzi wrote: »
    We'll definitely see the benefits of that membership any day now, I mean it's been only been 100 years.

    Last time I checked Ireland was very much part of the EU who's economy is the second biggest in the world so I think we are ok there.


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    #5602
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    While you were being raised in NI did you notice the passing of the GFA? And what that says about the wishes of a majority? It will be either you or those with no affinity to the UK who will have to accept what happens.

    No. I was a baby.


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    #5603
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭eire4


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    ...and get shafted and shafted again and again and again? No thanks, happy where I am.

    Yes being a valued member of the EU economy has definitely proved to be good for Ireland.


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    #5604
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    downcow wrote: »
    You might want to rethink that! Lol
    That makes the UK a country (of which I am glad the UN says I belong). It means Scotland is not a country and it means the country of Ireland has 26 counties

    If carlsberg done countries......
    I love your definition

    .....what's your point? Ireland is a country with 26 counties until the point of Unification. Ireland is also an island made up of the country Ireland and the constituent state of the United Kingdom called Northern Ireland.

    Why would I want to rethink that?


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    #5605
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    .....what's your point? Ireland is a country with 26 counties until the point of Unification. Ireland is also an island made up of the country Ireland and the constituent state of the United Kingdom called Northern Ireland.

    Why would I want to rethink that?

    That’s all good with me. I am surprised but also pleased that we agree on this.

    Some people try to blur the clear difference in the island of Ireland and the country that calls itself Ireland, but I am 100% with your clear definitions


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    #5606
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    No. I was a baby.

    Well have a chat with your parents if still alive. The majority in both jurisdictions voted for it. Not even May or Boris dared break it, so it will be followed. In that agreement those who voted for it agreed to accept the will of the majority - i.e. what nationalists are doing now.


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    #5607
    ulster
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭ulster


    downcow wrote: »
    Ireland is a tiny insignificant backwater in world terms. Why would anyone want to belong to it when they can belong to one of the biggest economies in the world

    There is a sizeable percentage of people in NI who want to belong to Ireland. It's growing all the time.


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    #5608
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well have a chat with your parents if still alive. The majority in both jurisdictions voted for it. Not even May or Boris dared break it, so it will be followed. In that agreement those who voted for it agreed to accept the will of the majority - i.e. what nationalists are doing now.

    Thats strange..I could have sworn it was von der leyen who was willing to endanger it until put firmly back in her box.


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    #5609
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well have a chat with your parents if still alive. The majority in both jurisdictions voted for it. Not even May or Boris dared break it, so it will be followed. In that agreement those who voted for it agreed to accept the will of the majority - i.e. what nationalists are doing now.

    Boris did break it. It’s clearly broken by the Irish Sea border.


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    #5610
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,254 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Thats strange..I could have sworn it was von der leyen who was willing to endanger it until put firmly back in her box.

    Did it happen Rob? No it didn't. Get the point now?


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    #5611
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    I don’t care what you call it. It’s my country and my home, not Ireland.

    And be assured that there are many here in the 26 that agree with you. Discussion on the topic probably gives the impression to those north of the border that the south is full of people obsessed with a UI. But there are many many of us more enlightened than that who fully recognise that you are in the UK, and not Ireland. Yet are still our closest relations. We share an island, are completely entwined culturally and historically, and there need be no more about it. We form different flavours of the British isles, and all regions in it are really the closest of siblings - the squabble by northern Ireland nationalists about being Irish or British really is getting upset about six of one or half dozen of the other. I am proud to call you our UK brothers in the north on our common island of Ireland.


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