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How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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    #5612
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Id say having a functioning parliment for omw....stormont geos years without sitting


    Having a functioning society.....northern ireland has given half its existance in near civil war



    Having majority of population living there recognise it as a country.....what is % claiming NI identity


    Not a country,a jokeshop

    That just about sums up how you operate. A load of subjective nonsense that means nothing. I guess your politics wouldn’t work if you didn’t employ those tactics.

    Pathetic really!


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    #5613
    View
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    ulster wrote: »
    There is a sizeable percentage of people in NI who want to belong to Ireland. It's growing all the time.

    Growing? That isn’t what the results in NI of the last U.K. GE showed.


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    #5614
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    And be assured that there are many of here in the 26 that agree with you. Discussion on the topics probably give the impression to those north of the border that the south is full of people obsessed with a UI. But there are many many of us more enlightened than that who fully recognise that you are in the UK, and not Ireland. Yet are still our closest relations. We share an island, are completely entwined culturally and historically, and there need be no more about it. We form different flavours of the British isles, and all regions in it are really the closest of siblings - the squabble by northern Ireland nationalists about being Irish or British really is getting upset about six of one or half dozen of the other. I am proud to call you your our UK brothers in the north on our common island of Ireland.

    I agree.As an English person I don`t see Scottish,Northern Irish or Welsh people as any different from me-British.I also agree that boards can be a shock to the system and can give the impression that the Republic is inhabited exclusively by UK hating disgruntled republicans,which is`nt the case.The UK and Ireland are so alike it`s uncanny.


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    #5615
    View
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    downcow wrote: »
    Ireland is a tiny insignificant backwater in world terms. Why would anyone want to belong to it when they can belong to one of the biggest economies in the world

    Ireland is an integral part of the EU, the world’s second largest economy. By your own logic (of favouring bigger economies), you should be delighted at the prospect of belonging to Ireland. :-)


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    #5616
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I agree.As an English person I don`t see Scottish,Northern Irish or Welsh people as any different from me-British.I also agree that boards can be a shock to the system and can give the impression that the Republic is inhabited exclusively by UK hating disgruntled republicans,which is`nt the case.The UK and Ireland are so alike it`s uncanny.

    I'd agree, a lot don't wear it on their sleeve. But make no mistake, come a border poll what the outcome on this side will be. I know lots of people who utterly detest SF who will never pass an opportunity to vote for a UI.


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    #5617
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You asked (twice),what was necessary to make a country,i outlined some criteria,i felt was reasonable

    Unable to counter,yous choose to label it as subjective nonsemse to shut down debate,on a subject,yous.brought in

    Sometime you just have to call a spade a spade.

    But let’s check out your nonsense criteria. tell me, would you say that a majority of people in Roi see the 26 counties as an independent country?


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    #5618
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    Sometime you just have to call a spade a spade.

    But let’s check out your nonsense criteria. tell me, would you say that a majority of people in Roi see the 26 counties as an independent country?

    :D:D are you gonna try claim now that a state administered via an International Agreement between two sovereign countries is 'independent' now as well as a country? :):D


    By the way, I couldn't care less what you call it.


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    #5619
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    downcow wrote: »
    I wasn’t asking about basic requirements. I was asking what makes a place a country? Simple question

    not having to rely on another country's government


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    #5620
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    downcow wrote: »
    Would you tell Nicola sturgeon that Scotland is not a country due to the Barnet formula

    Facts are a pain in the ass!

    scotland should indeed be freed of britain - you are quite correct there.


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    #5621
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    maccored wrote: »
    not having to rely on another country's government

    The UK does not rely on another country's government. It functions perfectly well and independently.


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    #5622
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :D:D are you gonna try claim now that a state administered via an International Agreement between two sovereign countries is 'independent' now as well as a country? :):D


    By the way, I couldn't care less what you call it.

    This was the question Francie
    “ would you say that a majority of people in Roi see the 26 counties as an independent country?”
    I know you don’t like where it is going and you want to rescue the other poster, but why don’t you help him by answering it


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    #5623
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    maccored wrote: »
    scotland should indeed be freed of britain - you are quite correct there.

    Do you not think that should be a decision for the Scottish people rather than applying your Irish arrogance to it


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    #5624
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well have a chat with your parents if still alive. The majority in both jurisdictions voted for it. Not even May or Boris dared break it, so it will be followed. In that agreement those who voted for it agreed to accept the will of the majority - i.e. what nationalists are doing now.

    What is your point? This has no relevance to my nationality and identity.


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    #5625
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    This was the question Francie
    “ would you say that a majority of people in Roi see the 26 counties as an independent country?”
    I know you don’t like where it is going and you want to rescue the other poster, but why don’t you help him by answering it

    My opinion has always been that the majority here see us as an independent sovereign state in a partitioned country. That is why they will vote to unite it again.

    Again, I could care less what somebody who supports partition calls the partitioned bit.


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    #5626
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    And be assured that there are many here in the 26 that agree with you. Discussion on the topic probably gives the impression to those north of the border that the south is full of people obsessed with a UI. But there are many many of us more enlightened than that who fully recognise that you are in the UK, and not Ireland. Yet are still our closest relations. We share an island, are completely entwined culturally and historically, and there need be no more about it. We form different flavours of the British isles, and all regions in it are really the closest of siblings - the squabble by northern Ireland nationalists about being Irish or British really is getting upset about six of one or half dozen of the other. I am proud to call you our UK brothers in the north on our common island of Ireland.

    Thank you. I appreciate it when people from ROI are willing to listen to and embrace the opinions of Northern Irish people.

    I have witnessed a lot of arrogance from ROI politicians (particularly neale Richmond - so snarky.) They are seen as interfering and making things worse.


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    #5627
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    What is your point? This has no relevance to my nationality and identity.

    The point is, either you have to get rid of the GFA or accept it. The two sovereign states will unite Ireland if a majority want it.


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    #5628
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The point is, either you have to get rid of the GFA or accept it. The two sovereign states will unite Ireland if a majority want it.

    You already have a united Ireland ffs. All 26 counties of it. Would you ever give up on trying to mooch a part of the UK. It really is no help to anyone at all.


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    #5629
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    You already have a united Ireland ffs. All 26 counties of it. Would you ever give up on trying to mooch a part of the UK. It really is no help to anyone at all.

    1/10

    Poor effort


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    #5630
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I agree.As an English person I don`t see Scottish,Northern Irish or Welsh people as any different from me-British.I also agree that boards can be a shock to the system and can give the impression that the Republic is inhabited exclusively by UK hating disgruntled republicans,which is`nt the case.The UK and Ireland are so alike it`s uncanny.

    There is a spectrum of similarity, depending on the region. As a Unionist who has lived in Southern England I admit to finding the culture very foreign and not similar to here.

    Scotland is very similar, more so than the southern half of this island.


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    #5631
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    My opinion has always been that the majority here see us as an independent sovereign state in a partitioned country. That is why they will vote to unite it again.

    Again, I could care less what somebody who supports partition calls the partitioned bit.

    Well Northern Ireland is not your country. You are an outsider and most would see you as so.


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    #5632
    lurleen lumpkin
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭lurleen lumpkin


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Well Northern Ireland is not your country. You are an outsider and most would see you as so.

    Haha. C'mon now.


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    #5633
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Well Northern Ireland is not your country. You are an outsider and most would see you as so.

    The GFA gives the people of this island the right to decide our future.
    Come a border poll I will have as much of a say as you will. It's one person one vote now. Hard for you guys to accept but that's progress and modernity for you.

    Will you accept the outcome of a border poll by the way?


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    #5634
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The GFA gives the people of this island the right to decide our future.
    Come a border poll I will have as much of a say as you will. It's one person one vote now. Hard for you guys to accept but that's progress and modernity for you.

    Will you accept the outcome of a border poll by the way?

    After we (unlikely) voted yes, you would get your vote. You don’t have a say in the running of my country.

    So as the Kerry person did, listen and respect our opinions rather than telling us what to do and patronising us from your house in ROI.


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    #5635
    Fenzi
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭Fenzi


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    respect our opinions

    Why should they when you refuse to respect theirs?


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    #5636
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    After we (unlikely) voted yes, you would get your vote. You don’t have a say in the running of my country.

    So as the Kerry person did, listen and respect our opinions rather than telling us what to do and patronising us from your house in ROI.

    I am not telling you what to do. I am telling you what will happen unless the GFA gets rescinded.

    I get your opinion, I've 'listened' to it for decades.

    You didn't answer the question, will you accept the outcome of a border poll as per the GFA?

    *And maybe talk to your Unionists leaders about our say in what happens in NI. Boris too. We had our say and Boris had to comply.


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    #5637
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    Fenzi wrote: »
    Why should they when you refuse to respect theirs?

    Because they are proposing to get rid of my country from another country.


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    #5638
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Because they are proposing to get rid of my country from another country.

    Have you anything positive to add?


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    #5639
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    downcow wrote: »
    Last time I looked there were a darn site more than a couple of roads. I am sure I have used many. You live on another planet


    Take a look at google maps. Max about 10 roads with about 3 or 4 major ones. As well as that, there are not any dwelling with their sitting room in Scotland and their kitchen in England!


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    #5640
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Being a while since looked in here and still arguing one side against the other, this is the reason why there will be no united Ireland for a very long time, because you can’t agree and the ordinary joe soap doesn’t want the hassle of this argument.


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    #5641
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    Being a while since looked in here and still arguing one side against the other, this is the reason why there will be no united Ireland for a very long time, because you can’t agree and the ordinary joe soap doesn’t want the hassle of this argument.


    Not an unusual attitude from some people in the ROI. Nationalists in NI have been dealing with
    intransigent unionists whose Mission Statement is just ''No'' for a century now. Time to do the right thing now.


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