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    #5642
    View
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Take a look at google maps. Max about 10 roads with about 3 or 4 major ones. As well as that, there are not any dwelling with their sitting room in Scotland and their kitchen in England!

    Looking at Google Maps, on our N roads (ie national primary or secondary roads) there are 14
    crossings into/out of NI. Of those crossings, 6 are accounted for by two national secondary roads that dip into and out of NI in rapid succession. Both of those roads could be easily rerouted, via short “bypass” stretches to avoid NI completely.

    The argument about “dwelling with their sitting room” in one country and their sitting room in another is trivial. We have compulsory purchased many houses and/or farms in the paths of our motorways and other major roads without any great qualms.


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    #5643
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    View wrote: »
    Looking at Google Maps, on our N roads (ie national primary or secondary roads) there are 14
    crossings into/out of NI. Of those crossings, 6 are accounted for by two national secondary roads that dip into and out of NI in rapid succession. Both of those roads could be easily rerouted, via short “bypass” stretches to avoid NI completely.

    The argument about “dwelling with their sitting room” in one country and their sitting room in another is trivial. We have compulsory purchased many houses and/or farms in the paths of our motorways and other major roads without any great qualms.

    Compulsory purchase homes/farms/businesses that straddle two jurisdictions?

    Is that possible? The state can compulsory buy a farm for example, where the parlour, sheds and meadows are in Monaghan, but the family dwelling and all access routes in and out are in South Armagh?


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    #5644
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    Would you ever give up on

    No. Ireland is an unfinished project until all of it is governed from Ireland
    trying to mooch a part of the UK.

    It's part of Ireland currently under UK jurisdiction with a view to unification.

    This issue will be with us until it is solved.


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    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    View wrote: »
    Looking at Google Maps, on our N roads (ie national primary or secondary roads) there are 14
    crossings into/out of NI. Of those crossings, 6 are accounted for by two national secondary roads that dip into and out of NI in rapid succession. Both of those roads could be easily rerouted, via short “bypass” stretches to avoid NI completely.

    The argument about “dwelling with their sitting room” in one country and their sitting room in another is trivial. We have compulsory purchased many houses and/or farms in the paths of our motorways and other major roads without any great qualms.

    Put people out of their homes in order to salve a few unionists fears of being abstractly separated from a Britain that has already jettisoned them?

    A Pritti Pratelian solution there.


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    ulster
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭ulster


    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    Being a while since looked in here and still arguing one side against the other, this is the reason why there will be no united Ireland for a very long time, because you can’t agree and the ordinary joe soap doesn’t want the hassle of this argument.

    Because Boards is so representative lol.

    I mean you've got a handful of trolling Unionists on here and a few armchair republicans - its hardly going to be a recipe for peace and Harmony.


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    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Well Northern Ireland is not your country. You are an outsider and most would see you as so.

    THIS is the problem in the north. A community who wants the place to themselves and just cant see how that doesn't work anymore. If you aren't unionist then you aren't welcome


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    lurleen lumpkin
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭lurleen lumpkin


    maccored wrote: »
    THIS is the problem in the north. A community who wants the place to themselves and just cant see how that doesn't work anymore. If you aren't unionist then you aren't welcome


    The unionist trolls on here speak for very few of us in the north, thankfully. They'll have to open their minds a bit eventually or they'll get left even further behind. Saying NO to everything, all the time, must get pretty tiring.


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    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maccored wrote: »
    THIS is the problem in the north. A community who wants the place to themselves and just cant see how that doesn't work anymore. If you aren't unionist then you aren't welcome

    Most recently displayed last night in Lisburn council chamber. Still the bigotry and supremacism persists.

    https://twitter.com/CMcGin2006/status/1364348123154419717


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    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    But but we want parity of esteem we are told...


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    #5651
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    Do they translate like in the UN/EU?


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    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Do they translate like in the UN/EU?

    Point is here, he spoke in Irish as the motion was about the Irish language. He was asked to make the 'salient points' in English, which he did. But the sheer vitriolic hate of the DUP couldn't keep it's mouth shut. 'Our wee country' and no one else's.


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    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    jh79 wrote: »
    Do they translate like in the UN/EU?

    If you bothered to heed it you would have seen that he was about to translate it himself before he was rudely interrupted.

    Unsurprisingly you take the side of the DUP. Imagine.


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    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    If you bothered to heed it you would have seen that he was about to translate it himself before he was rudely interrupted.

    Unsurprisingly you take the side of the DUP. Imagine.

    Was just curious on the logistics. Surely they could do what the EU does (maybe the other side won't let them)?

    Wasn't taking sides. Hold them both in equal contempt. Mirror images of each other. Next time it'll be SF turn.


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    Annd9
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    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Well Northern Ireland is not your country. You are an outsider and most would see you as so.

    Over on the weather forum I have been baffled by the tone of some of your posting , constantly thinking people are out to get you and a general chip on your shoulder . Starting to make sense now !


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    mehico
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭mehico


    Understandably it is unlikely for Unionist representatives to want to engage in talk about Irish unity.

    The Shared Island unit that was set up by the Irish government last year was a means to start a conversation in terms of what shape a new Ireland would take and in an ideal scenario it would be important to have Unionist voices in this conversation but it is doubtful that this will come from elected unionist representatives.

    But there is a large section of the population from unionist backgrounds that do not normally vote and could it be possible to hear from voices from this cohort? It could be that this section does not vote because while they may be pro-union on the constitutional issue, they are social liberal and do not identify with the traditional Unionist parties or even Alliance. This is just an assumption of course.

    On the other hand, in the south, there is not very much political representation given to people with socially conservative outlooks. Theoretically in a new Ireland, whatever shape it takes, could politically conservative parties in the north tap into this potential vote in the south? I don’t know the answer but in this hypothetical scenario the political landscape would certainly change regardless.


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    #5657
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    its a conversation that really needs to be had, north and south. we wont know what the pros and cons are until its properly discussed


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    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    jh79 wrote: »
    Was just curious on the logistics. Surely they could do what the EU does (maybe the other side won't let them)?

    Wasn't taking sides. Hold them both in equal contempt. Mirror images of each other. Next time it'll be SF turn.

    You hold SF I'm contempt because the DUP were bigots?

    You can just condemn the DUP and Belligerent unionists without the need for "balance" ya know?

    ---

    Interpreters would be available if the DUP weren't so afraid of fadas and let the ILA pass. But sure, it's Nationalists tat need to compromise.


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    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    mehico wrote: »
    Understandably it is unlikely for Unionist representatives to want to engage in talk about Irish unity.

    The Shared Island unit that was set up by the Irish government last year was a means to start a conversation in terms of what shape a new Ireland would take and in an ideal scenario it would be important to have Unionist voices in this conversation but it is doubtful that this will come from elected unionist representatives.

    But there is a large section of the population from unionist backgrounds that do not normally vote and could it be possible to hear from voices from this cohort? It could be that this section does not vote because while they may be pro-union on the constitutional issue, they are social liberal and do not identify with the traditional Unionist parties or even Alliance. This is just an assumption of course.

    On the other hand, in the south, there is not very much political representation given to people with socially conservative outlooks. Theoretically in a new Ireland, whatever shape it takes, could politically conservative parties in the north tap into this potential vote in the south? I don’t know the answer but in this hypothetical scenario the political landscape would certainly change regardless.

    If they don't want to engage then what else can we do?

    This touchy feely crap must stop.

    The world and Ireland needs to move on.

    Re social conservative parties, they'll coalesce wherever they need to. If bigoted unionist parties morph into socially conservative parties then they will.

    That's not up to the rest of us to worry about.


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    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    If they don't want to engage then what else can we do?

    This touchy feely crap must stop.

    The world and Ireland needs to move on.

    Re social conservative parties, they'll coalesce wherever they need to. If bigoted unionist parties morph into socially conservative parties then they will.

    That's not up to the rest of us to worry about.

    It's not just about Ireland though bonnie,it's about NI.If they decide the time is right then Ireland can have its say.


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    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    It's not just about Ireland though bonnie,it's about NI.If they decide the time is right then Ireland can have its say.

    why should unionists get to hold the north up though? the north voted against brexit - yet the unionists (who voted for it) are now complaining when they got what they wanted. they arent the majority any longer.


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    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    It's not just about Ireland though bonnie,it's about NI.If they decide the time is right then Ireland can have its say.

    Yes, Rob.....that includes Nationalists. Your government has agreed that it is for the people of Ireland alone to decide though.....so while your feedback and opinion is appreciated, it ultimately counts for nothing.


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    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    It's not just about Ireland though bonnie,it's about NI.If they decide the time is right then Ireland can have its say.

    It literally is about Ireland. All of Ireland.

    Nice to see you're still othering non-unionists.


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    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    Yes, Rob.....that includes Nationalists. Your government has agreed that it is for the people of Ireland alone to decide though.....so while your feedback and opinion is appreciated, it ultimately counts for nothing.

    It's nothing to do with you either initially,unless you have retained the right to vote though birth?
    I understand it's not just about Unionists,although there does appear to be a blurring of the established groups (Catholic,protestants etc)which may be significant in a vote imo.


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    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    It literally is about Ireland. All of Ireland.

    Nice to see you're still othering non-unionists.

    Whether you like it or not,six counties are part of the UK.Its those people living there that you need to convince of the benefits of a UI.Id imagine anyone undecided looking at this thread would be apprehensive Ireland is inhabited by disgruntled,partisan republicans.


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    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Whether you like it or not,six counties are part of the UK.Its those people living there that you need to convince of the benefits of a UI.Id imagine anyone undecided looking at this thread would be apprehensive Ireland is inhabited by disgruntled,partisan republicans.


    Why would there be disgrunteled republicans in a United Ireland?


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    lurleen lumpkin
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭lurleen lumpkin


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Whether you like it or not,six counties are part of the UK.Its those people living there that you need to convince of the benefits of a UI.Id imagine anyone undecided looking at this thread would be apprehensive Ireland is inhabited by disgruntled,partisan republicans.


    What would anyone looking at this thread think of the unionist posters?


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    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    maccored wrote: »
    why should unionists get to hold the north up though? the north voted against brexit - yet the unionists (who voted for it) are now complaining when they got what they wanted. they arent the majority any longer.
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Whether you like it or not,six counties are part of the UK.Its those people living there that you need to convince of the benefits of a UI.Id imagine anyone undecided looking at this thread would be apprehensive Ireland is inhabited by disgruntled,partisan republicans.

    i ask again - why should unionists get a veto in what happens in the north?


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    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    jm08 wrote: »
    Why would there be disgrunteled republicans in a United Ireland?

    I don't know why you and your fellow republican posters are disgruntled,could it be because you don't like the way a UI is fading into the distance?


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    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with you either initially,unless you have retained the right to vote though birth?
    I understand it's not just about Unionists,although there does appear to be a blurring of the established groups (Catholic,protestants etc)which may be significant in a vote imo.

    I still have a house in the North, and should a border poll be on the cards I would happily move back there to vote. You'll note I said move back, not just pop up for the day before you make any insinuations about fraudulent voting etc. By doing so, I would forego my right to vote on the matter on this side of the border.

    That being said, the Irish state will also vote on it, so even if I did not, it would still have something to do with me, unlike yourself.


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    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,257 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I don't know why you and your fellow republican posters are disgruntled,could it be because you don't like the way a UI is fading into the distance?

    Sure it is Rob. :D:D:D


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