How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

frosty123

Is it true that catholic/nationalists in the north have large families on purpose so as to outnumber the protestants?

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

The irony of a republican saying the above. Is that not exactly what they have been saying for the last 100 years about NI remaining in UK ? Am I missing something here?

You know I genuinely hope civic Unionists are having secret talks with the Irish Government about what shape they'd like a future UI to take.

By the time the current crowd of 'leaders' are whittled down to a couple of dozen Jim Alister types representing the 'traditional unionist voice' then they'll be sort of dismissed as the lunatic fringe whether they have legitimate ideas or not for their future UI home.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

The world has moved on.

So has the Newsletter, having originally been a republican newspaper.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So has the Newsletter, having originally been a republican newspaper.

I can’t fault it for seeing the light and recognising the benefits of the Union

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Unionism ... gets more-and-more poisonous as it diminishes and thus accelerates its death-spiral.

It's time now for moderate Unionists to vote for Alliance or just stay at home in the next election.

Fionn1952

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's time now for moderate Unionists to vote for Alliance or just stay at home in the next election.

It's quite the bizarre threat, considering their stance on an Irish Language Act before the NI Protocol was ever conceived.

A bit like if the Shinners threatened that they'd never sit in Westminster unless an Irish Language Act was signed.....not much of a threat when you had no intention of doing the former regardless.

AdrianG08

So lets get this straight.

The DUP agreed to the protocol on the quiet. Our government crow about how its brilliant.

The Loyalist mob then start to dissent.

DUP swiftly see this and in order to keep them onside they decide to fight it, given they will lose some faith with the knuckle dragging LVF, UVF crowd.

Followed by stalemate.

Despite protestations, the DUP sign up for the protocol again. When they customs checks started (which the loyalist/sectarian mob wanted at the irish border despite claims to the contrary) in Larne, they start threatening again and once again the DUP are sprung into "we are outraged mode".

Its gas, they are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. They need to appear forward thinking and modern but they are still absolutely cacking themselves over what the likes of Jamie Bryson and the old brigade think.

And the paramilitaries are equally gas, the DUP would sell them down the river (akin to what Boris did to them) equally as quick if they didn't rely on their vote. The idea of Sammy Wilson, Nigel Dodds and the like having to trek from their leafy suburban homes go cap in hand looking for votes of these guys is pure mad. They have nowt in common whatsoever.

There is so much front being put on. The joke they have up the north is that all of these politicians on both sides actually get on and have a great laugh at how divisive they sound in public. The sectarian angle is worth more money to everyone, be it minority grants from UK government, funding for committees on flute playing/irish language classes for whatever your persuasion.

They react to the whims of the absolute prehistoric electorate in some areas. On both sides.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's time now for moderate Unionists to vote for Alliance or just stay at home in the next election.

Most moderate unionists are opposed to an Irish language act so they will think the DUP has gone too soft with this statement.
Unfortunately I believe the DUP were about to cave in anyhow on the Irish language act.

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

Most moderate unionists are opposed to an Irish language act

Which means they're not moderate.

McMurphy

They're a thundering disgrace.

https://twitter.com/PatCatney/status/1373930568350625795?s=19

AdrianG08

McMurphy wrote: »

They're a thundering disgrace.

https://twitter.com/PatCatney/status/1373930568350625795?s=19

In fairness I think this has proven to be false today. Seems to be a bit of a division in the DUP, Foster is supposedly being seen by hardliners as being too fond of appeasing nationalism apparently.

Sinn fein are just as bad in fairness- https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-f%C3%A9in-vetoes-stormont-stone-marking-ni-centenary-1.4513961

They are actually as bad as each other with their point scoring, trying to win over the hard liners within their communities. Neither party (DUP or SF) have ever spoken about a policy that doesn't shine a light on division.

jm08

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1374006155220025344?s=20

RobMc59

Great news that NI is helping Ireland in the fight against the virus.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/north-waives-sanctions-on-eligible-republic-residents-seeking-covid-vaccine-1.4515924

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Great news that NI is helping Ireland in the fight against the virus.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/north-waives-sanctions-on-eligible-republic-residents-seeking-covid-vaccine-1.4515924

Only right after we shored up their emergency response. Closer and closer together.

downcow

RobMc59 wrote: »

Great news that NI is helping Ireland in the fight against the virus.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/north-waives-sanctions-on-eligible-republic-residents-seeking-covid-vaccine-1.4515924

Excellent. I am glad. I’d like to see us roll it out across the whole island. We are neighbours after all and who wouldn’t want to help their neighbour

downcow

jm08 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1374006155220025344?s=20

It’s a pity the Roi viewers will listen to a self serving dinosaur like paisley. Guess it helps them put all unionists in the wee box they like to put us in.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Only right after we shored up their emergency response. Closer and closer together.

Yes. Just shows we don’t need a united ireland to be mutually beneficial to each other. Onwards and upwards

And also nice to see Roi opposing a ban on vaccines to us.

Junkyard Tom

It's the very least they could do seeing as 10 million doses have left the EU for GB while nothing has gone the other way.

https://twitter.com/LoveEU67/status/1373919662552014853?s=20

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Yes. Just shows we don’t need a united ireland to be mutually beneficial to each other. Onwards and upwards

We need a UI to stop those who want to follow a foreign power with no care or concern for this island and causing harm to everyone on this island. There is a reason why that power is responsible for one of the highest tolls in the world from Covid.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's the very least they could do seeing as 10 million doses have left the EU for GB while nothing has gone the other way.

Tom. Why do you think that 10million doses have left the Eu to UK while none have gone the other way?

RobMc59

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's the very least they could do seeing as 10 million doses have left the EU for GB while nothing has gone the other way.

The NI government waiving protocol to help Ireland is something the EU should consider instead of being a bunch of jobsworths over ridiculous rules like a bit of soil on a plant or a protruding fishtail. :rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobsworth

Junkyard Tom

RobMc59 wrote: »

The NI government waiving protocol to help Ireland

A lot of people go into the north to work in hospitals, schools, and whatnot, the NI Gov is helping itself.

We should be acting as the single island we are inasmuch as it is possible. With the worrying study on the Astra Zeneca vaccine being fairly useless against the South African variant we might need to start thinking about locking down Ireland if Britain gets overrun.

BonnieSituation

This is gonna be a long two hours

BonnieSituation

Jamie Bryson in eloquent point-making shocker!

king_gizzard

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Jamie Bryson in eloquent point-making shocker!

'I can't believe it's not a United Ireland'

trashcan

king_gizzard wrote: »

'I can't believe it's not a United Ireland'

That was quite funny in fairness,

jm08

RobMc59 wrote: »

Great news that NI is helping Ireland in the fight against the virus.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/north-waives-sanctions-on-eligible-republic-residents-seeking-covid-vaccine-1.4515924

Its not really.

Northern Ireland’s department of health said anyone who was vaccinated “must be entitled to receive healthcare in Northern Ireland and be registered with a GP in Northern Ireland . . . or be employed as a healthcare worker in Northern Ireland”.

RobMc59

jm08 wrote: »

Its not really.

NI rising above the toxic situation brussels is trying to stoke up over vaccines should be applauded.

McMurphy

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Jamie Bryson in eloquent point-making shocker!

Missed him and Joe Brolly, have read about Brolly, but what did Bryson say?

Fionn1952

RobMc59 wrote: »

NI rising above the toxic situation brussels is trying to stoke up over vaccines should be applauded.

NI looking out for itself by allowing vaccination for people who work in NI but live in Ireland is certainly to be applauded, it's a sensible move that NI should take to protect itself.

Rather than playing silly buggers with language like, 'toxic' and accusing a side of stoking anything, how about we look at the numbers?

Two questions will put it all together.

1) How many UK residents have been vaccinated due to vaccine doses sent from the EU
2) How many EU residents have been vaccinated due to vaccine doses sent from the UK.