How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Its impressive,the way this lad devotes so much time and energy to a political party...

While franciebrady (high quality content poster) defends them to hilt,shef attacks incessemtly to extent,if they found cure for cancer,he'd likely complain them about putting doctors outta jobs :pac:

I personally enjoy this fanatical posting,its great to see a different view too


Be somewhat taken aback,if they turn out to be same person

I posted once about SF and immediate reaction. I could have guessed the posters. I haven't been on this forum for over two weeks yet you accuse me of devoting my time. Think you need to rethink that one

The bit in bold......:p:p:p

Shefwedfan

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Right...

So it's SF's fault we aren't nearer to a UI than we were in 1998?

And there's me thinking we were closer than ever?




Crocodiles eating curried yogurt is all they are!




What would be an acceptable measure here for you?



Honestly, I couldn't give a shoite about your SF obsession. It's bordering on fanatical at this stage.

Are we closer than ever?



Lets see how close we are when the people of Northern Ireland realise they will have mass unemployment and the people of Rep of Ireland will be hit with more taxes to try and support the North.



Even our friendly SF supporter, when they get a chuck taken out of their social welfare money.



Lets see then how close we are.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Its impressive,the way this lad devotes so much time and energy to a political party...

While franciebrady (high quality content poster) defends them to hilt,shef attacks incessemtly to extent,if they found cure for cancer,he'd likely complain them about putting doctors outta jobs :pac:

I personally enjoy this fanatical posting,its great to see a different view too


Be somewhat taken aback,if they turn out to be same person

In fairness I defend general republican issues rather than SF. I don't defend SF economic policy or some of their social policy dithering.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I posted once about SF and immediate reaction. I could have guessed the posters. I haven't been on this forum for over two weeks yet you accuse me of devoting my time. Think you need to rethink that one

The bit in bold......:p:p:p

Francie is a high quality content poster though??....he posts always politely,informed,factual info....forum.needs more like him


While you were unaware that SF were involved in negociating the GFA,while discussing it in regards to a utd ireland??

Everyone needs on taking a leaf out of that lads book

Beasty

Stick to the topic, which is not discussing other users, nor is it raising points of moderation

If you cannot stick to the topic, do not post

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In fairness I defend general republican issues rather than SF. I don't defend SF economic policy or some of their social policy dithering.

Its a disgrace,they have never spoken up for the craigavon two......them 2 shouldnt be in jail,for what evidence was produced

(My ex,who is one person i would trust as regards this,had a -redacted- level of irrational hatred for shinners,but even she said,that conviction isnt safe)



And its one area,i give FF credit for....eamonn o cuiv has at least made some efforts in representing them

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Francie is a high quality content poster though??....he posts always politely,informed,factual info....forum.needs more like him


While you were unaware that SF were involved in negociating the GFA,while discussing it in regards to a utd ireland??

Everyone needs on taking a leaf out of that lads book

I bet if you review this entire thread and previous version you will have a large number of posts from a couple of posters. None of which deal with the main issue about a United Ireland

Mass unemployment in Northern Ireland and high tax in Republic of Ireland

If a UI happened tomorrow morning that’s what you would end up with. I personally don’t see why people in north would vote if they know they will end up jobless
Plus I don’t see why people in Rep would either if they end up with another tax to pay......

Unless SF and DUP sort their sh*t out and move more people out of public employment and bring Northern Ireland on a par with the south they are the issues

Cue name calling in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I bet if you review this entire thread and previous version you will have a large number of posts from a couple of posters. None of which deal with the main issue about a United Ireland

Mass unemployment in Northern Ireland and high tax in Republic of Ireland

If a UI happened tomorrow morning that’s what you would end up with. I personally don’t see why people in north would vote if they know they will end up jobless
Plus I don’t see why people in Rep would either if they end up with another tax to pay......

Unless SF and DUP sort their sh*t out and move more people out of public employment and bring Northern Ireland on a par with the south they are the issues

Cue name calling in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

If a UI happened tomorrow, yes it would be a mess.

Nobody only you is advocating one tomorrow.

BonnieSituation

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I bet if you review this entire thread and previous version you will have a large number of posts from a couple of posters. None of which deal with the main issue about a United Ireland

Mass unemployment in Northern Ireland and high tax in Republic of Ireland

If a UI happened tomorrow morning that’s what you would end up with. I personally don’t see why people in north would vote if they know they will end up jobless
Plus I don’t see why people in Rep would either if they end up with another tax to pay......

Unless SF and DUP sort their sh*t out and move more people out of public employment and bring Northern Ireland on a par with the south they are the issues

Cue name calling in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

Tomorrow is in 38min.

It's not likely to happen in such a short timeframe.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If a UI happened tomorrow, yes it would be a mess.

Nobody only you is advocating one tomorrow.

So when Francie? By the current rate of progression I would say sometime in 2070 SF might have done something decent for the people of the north

What’s your time lines?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So when Francie? By the current rate of progression I would say sometime in 2070 SF might have done something decent for the people of the north

What’s your time lines?

20 yrs Shef. You'll be on here wondering why FF and the DUP have only 6% of the vote between them.

That's the way it's going at the minute.

BonnieSituation

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So when Francie? By the current rate of progression I would say sometime in 2070 SF might have done something decent for the people of the north

What’s your time lines?

I'd assume a couple of years after an affirmative vote in a border poll.

maccored

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Are we closer than ever?



Lets see how close we are when the people of Northern Ireland realise they will have mass unemployment and the people of Rep of Ireland will be hit with more taxes to try and support the North.



Even our friendly SF supporter, when they get a chuck taken out of their social welfare money.



Lets see then how close we are.

jaysus your really desperate to push the (increasingly incorrect) stereotype, but go you

maccored

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I bet if you review this entire thread and previous version you will have a large number of posts from a couple of posters. None of which deal with the main issue about a United Ireland

Mass unemployment in Northern Ireland and high tax in Republic of Ireland

If a UI happened tomorrow morning that’s what you would end up with. I personally don’t see why people in north would vote if they know they will end up jobless
Plus I don’t see why people in Rep would either if they end up with another tax to pay......

Unless SF and DUP sort their sh*t out and move more people out of public employment and bring Northern Ireland on a par with the south they are the issues

Cue name calling in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

i find this quite a backward thought process, but it fits in with the ludicrous idea that the path to a UI would happened over a short period of time, rather than a longer, planned out evolution.

instead of viewing a UI as two things stuck together, the idea has to be completely re-done from scratch. nothing is going to happen until the whole country discusses it and figures out what that new Ireland is going to be like and how it will operate.

The north exists mainly because of ego and power, not for having an efficient economy. it cant be made work - which is the big elephant in the corner you seem to be blind to.

Brendan Bendar

maccored wrote: »

jaysus your really desperate to push the (increasingly incorrect) stereotype, but go you

In my opinion the lad has a valid and pertinent point.

mehico

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

In my opinion the lad has a valid and pertinent point.

How so?

Shefwedfan

maccored wrote: »

i find this quite a backward thought process, but it fits in with the ludicrous idea that the path to a UI would happened over a short period of time, rather than a longer, planned out evolution.

instead of viewing a UI as two things stuck together, the idea has to be completely re-done from scratch. nothing is going to happen until the whole country discusses it and figures out what that new Ireland is going to be like and how it will operate.

The north exists mainly because of ego and power, not for having an efficient economy. it cant be made work - which is the big elephant in the corner you seem to be blind to.

I don't think UI would happen over a short period. If you followed the thread I have said a few times no point in having a referrendum at the cost of millions till they sort out the basic.



We have the likes of SF on TV going on about a vote on UI and ask them the basic questions and they disappear. Before any referendum the politicians on both sides of border need to sit down, with the UK government and at least have a discussion on how it would work out


Pushing a vote forward which if voted in would see mass unemployment and huge tax increases would be a disaster for Ireland and set both regions back years.


I have said numerous times, if we expect SF to be the party to bring around a UI then we will never have one, they can't even arrange a sit down with the PBP.


It took them 3 years of pi**ing around to get the northern assembly back....not really a party that has any history of negoatiations

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't think UI would happen over a short period. If you followed the thread I have said a few times no point in having a referrendum at the cost of millions till they sort out the basic.

Your failure to recognise that the 'basic' is a result of the main problem...partition, shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

There is a reason after all that a UI is required.

We have the likes of SF on TV going on about a vote on UI and ask them the basic questions and they disappear.

Not on my telly and not in my area, they are the organisers of frequent disscussions about this.

Before any referendum the politicians on both sides of border need to sit down, with the UK government and at least have a discussion on how it would work out

Quite sure that will happen. One of Britain's universities has under taken a study on how it will all work. Links posted already.

Pushing a vote forward which if voted in would see mass unemployment and huge tax increases would be a disaster for Ireland and set both regions back years.

Scaremongering again. A phased UI need not result in anything like that.

I have said numerous times, if we expect SF to be the party to bring around a UI then we will never have one, they can't even arrange a sit down with the PBP.


It took them 3 years of pi**ing around to get the northern assembly back....not really a party that has any history of negoatiations

I can see FF or FG claiming credit alright...there was a poster on here claiming the GFA for Bertie Ahern.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not on my telly and not in my area, they are the organisers of frequent disscussions about this.

Really? when and where?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Really? when and where?

Is google an alien country to you Shef?
http://www.londonirishunity.com/events/towards-a-united-ireland-conference/

https://www.angrianan.com/event/towards-a-united-ireland/

https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/1520725717997054/

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is google an alien country to you Shef?
http://www.londonirishunity.com/events/towards-a-united-ireland-conference/

https://www.angrianan.com/event/towards-a-united-ireland/

https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/1520725717997054/

So lets remind us of what you posted

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not on my telly and not in my area, they are the organisers of frequent disscussions about this.

According to you, you live in Monghan

How is Cork/London and Letterkenny in your area?

Not sure why you constantly need to lie.

Shefwedfan

I do see the local Sinn Fein politician in Cavan/Monaghan is really trying to build towards a United Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-candidate-says-video-of-campaign-van-playing-pro-ira-song-may-be-fake-1.4167024

Another example of how pathetic SF are

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So lets remind us of what you posted



According to you, you live in Monghan

How is Cork/London and Letterkenny in your area?

Not sure why you constantly need to lie.

That the best you can come up with? Accuse me of lying about 'frequent discussions when I presented back up?

maccored

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't think UI would happen over a short period. If you followed the thread I have said a few times no point in having a referrendum at the cost of millions till they sort out the basic.



We have the likes of SF on TV going on about a vote on UI and ask them the basic questions and they disappear. Before any referendum the politicians on both sides of border need to sit down, with the UK government and at least have a discussion on how it would work out


Pushing a vote forward which if voted in would see mass unemployment and huge tax increases would be a disaster for Ireland and set both regions back years.


I have said numerous times, if we expect SF to be the party to bring around a UI then we will never have one, they can't even arrange a sit down with the PBP.


It took them 3 years of pi**ing around to get the northern assembly back....not really a party that has any history of negoatiations

SF arent the party to bring about a UI. The people of Ireland and ALL parties are what will bring a UI

maccored

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I do see the local Sinn Fein politician in Cavan/Monaghan is really trying to build towards a United Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-candidate-says-video-of-campaign-van-playing-pro-ira-song-may-be-fake-1.4167024

Another example of how pathetic SF are

you and a few others on here seem to post about them an awful lot for a party you hate

maccored

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

In my opinion the lad has a valid and pertinent point.

what? that unemployed people vote for them? Unemployed people vote for all parties. explain yourself.

Shefwedfan

maccored wrote: »

you and a few others on here seem to post about them an awful lot for a party you hate

We are talking about a United Ireland. Going around the border area blasting out rebel songs not going to be very welcoming to our Northern Friends is it now?

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That the best you can come up with? Accuse me of lying about 'frequent discussions when I presented back up?

So London/Cork/Letterkenny is in your area? :P

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So London/Cork/Letterkenny is in your area? :P

Where did I say that?

I said they organise frequent discussions and info meetings about it.
The whole Brexit debate around the border is organised by them and they included discussions on a UI.

Keep the head in the sand there Shef as much as you wish, but anyone with an eye in their head knows your claims are nonsense.

BonnieSituation

Shefwedfan wrote: »

We are talking about a United Ireland. Going around the border area blasting out rebel songs not going to be very welcoming to our Northern Friends is it now?

Northern Friends?

Are these some sort of homogenous blob that share no political goals with us?

Perhaps some of our Northern Friends like Rebel songs?

I didn't know we had a Korean-style speaker system blasting the Wolfe Tones at poor unfortunate Loyalists.

It must be at a frequency I can't hear.