How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

jm08

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seemed a bit niggardly of Martin and the coalition not to renew the role.

Maybe it wasn't fully embraced by the holder...he didn't make much of an impact in fairness.

But even saying that...there are quite a few in that house that make little impact.

Just heard him being interviewed on RTE Radio. Really poor that he wasn't retained as he came across as being very positive in his approach. He was bringing a lot of people from NI down to the Seanad and meeting with lots of bodies around the country. He wanted to continue working, but its really disappointing that he had to find out from social media that he wasn't being retained. I see Sinn Fein have nominated/appointed a senator from NI.

downcow

I see our deputy first minister breaking all the rules today at another ira funeral.
Hundreds attend and she’s in the middle of it doing selfies and hugging half the ira.
Can you imagine if Arlene done it how many would be calling for her resignation

dd973

Hypothetical question, supposing No Deal Brexit turns out disastrously for the U.K, economic meltdown and the rest.

The Scots decide to leave the union and become independent.

The Union Jack wouldn't even exist in it's current state anymore, what would in effect the most recalcitrant sections of the Unionist population be fighting for or against? How can they be loyal to a state that no longer really exists? I don't think England & Wales really appeal to them as such.

BloodyBill

dd973 wrote: »

Hypothetical question, supposing No Deal Brexit turns out disastrously for the U.K, economic meltdown and the rest.

The Scots decide to leave the union and become independent.

The Union Jack wouldn't even exist in it's current state anymore, what would in effect the most recalcitrant sections of the Unionist population be fighting for or against? How can they be loyal to a state that no longer really exists? I don't think England & Wales really appeal to them as such.

Thats a possibility alright. However the opposite is probably whats going to happen.

There ll be no Economic meltdown. The Scots remain put as they have since 1700 or so and Northern Ireland remains put aswell.

In Ireland we always do this 'What if ' and its always 'what if the UK fails?'...eat eat.

FrancieBrady

BloodyBill wrote: »

Thats a possibility alright. However the opposite is probably whats going to happen.

There ll be no Economic meltdown. The Scots remain put as they have since 1700 or so and Northern Ireland remains put aswell.

In Ireland we always do this 'What if ' and its always 'what if the UK fails?'...eat eat.

What makes you think the union is safe?

munsterlegend

BloodyBill wrote: »

Thats a possibility alright. However the opposite is probably whats going to happen.

There ll be no Economic meltdown. The Scots remain put as they have since 1700 or so and Northern Ireland remains put aswell.

In Ireland we always do this 'What if ' and its always 'what if the UK fails?'...eat eat.

While it is a ‘what if’ it’s hardly unrealistic. The party winning by a landslide in Scotland in each election are the SNP and recent opinion polls are very much in favour.

With regards the funeral yesterday it was careless in the extreme. Funerals in republican areas are big occasions but this was not the time.

Junkyard Tom

BloodyBill wrote: »

Thats a possibility alright. However the opposite is probably whats going to happen.

So your answer is 'I won't be considering your predictions because I don't like the sound of them'?

Let's say that it has already happened, in 2021 Scotland goes independent. What then for the north?

Brendan Bendar

As long as the Shinners drive a coach and four through the C-19 regulations for funerals, we can forget about any coming together.

eire4

dd973 wrote: »

Hypothetical question, supposing No Deal Brexit turns out disastrously for the U.K, economic meltdown and the rest.

The Scots decide to leave the union and become independent.

The Union Jack wouldn't even exist in it's current state anymore, what would in effect the most recalcitrant sections of the Unionist population be fighting for or against? How can they be loyal to a state that no longer really exists? I don't think England & Wales really appeal to them as such.

Well the UK took a step close to having no trade deal come next January 1 by letting the deadline to ask for a transition extension pass yesterday. So given how far apart the sides are on a deal things look pretty bleak to say the last right now in terms of having an agreed trade deal in place ready for January 1. No trade deal will IMHO increase support for Scottish independence.

Junkyard Tom

Are Republicans being held to a higher standard?

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Are Republicans being held to a higher standard?

Disgusting attack on the vigil to young Noah.
No comparison in to situations.

downcow

dd973 wrote: »

Hypothetical question, supposing No Deal Brexit turns out disastrously for the U.K, economic meltdown and the rest.

The Scots decide to leave the union and become independent.

The Union Jack wouldn't even exist in it's current state anymore, what would in effect the most recalcitrant sections of the Unionist population be fighting for or against? How can they be loyal to a state that no longer really exists? I don't think England & Wales really appeal to them as such.

Serious lack of understanding here.
We are a union of countries who want to be in a union If one country decides it doesn’t want to belong any longer, it will get the blessing of the other 3 to go. We will help and assist in any way we can and their will inevitably still be a special relationship.
I don’t see any threat associated with it, just a different relationship.
A bit like a child that moves away.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Serious lack of understanding here.
We are a union of countries who want to be in a union If one country decides it doesn’t want to belong any longer, it will get the blessing of the other 3 to go. We will help and assist in any way we can and their will inevitably still be a special relationship.
I don’t see any threat associated with it, just a different relationship.
A bit like a child that moves away.

Sure. In your dreams.

The reality is you are still the chattels of England. None of you are going anywhere unless the English allow you.

A massively un-equal Union.

Fionn1952

downcow wrote: »

Disgusting attack on the vigil to young Noah.
No comparison in to situations.

All three are funerals with significant numbers in attendance during a period where social distancing is required. Regardless of any feelings on the people involved, there is a clear and obvious comparison.

You could be critical of the use of the poor young lad's funeral for political point scoring, but you are unequivocally wrong to state there is no comparison.

downcow

Fionn1952 wrote: »

All three are funerals with significant numbers in attendance during a period where social distancing is required. Regardless of any feelings on the people involved, there is a clear and obvious comparison.

You could be critical of the use of the poor young lad's funeral for political point scoring, but you are unequivocally wrong to state there is no comparison.

Zero comparison. One is ordinary people remembering a young boy who they had spent a week looking for.
The other was the deputy first minister who had been fighting against ordinary people visiting the grave of their loved one, attending a funeral of one of the most evil terrorists in ni Laughing, Ira men with their arms around her shoulder, etc

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Zero comparison. One is ordinary people remembering a young boy who they had spent a week looking for.
The other was the deputy first minister who had been fighting against ordinary people visiting the grave of their loved one, attending a funeral of one of the most evil terrorists in ni Laughing, Ira men with their arms around her shoulder, etc

So Covid knows to stay away from one and not the other. Cool story!

Fionn1952

downcow wrote: »

Zero comparison. One is ordinary people remembering a young boy who they had spent a week looking for.
The other was the deputy first minister who had been fighting against ordinary people visiting the grave of their loved one, attending a funeral of one of the most evil terrorists in ni Laughing, Ira men with their arms around her shoulder, etc

The comparison is literally right there, Downcow. Your distaste for one doesn't change the fact that they were both heavily attended funerals, with insufficient social distancing during a global pandemic.

There are certainly differences to point out - like I said, I'm not making any sort of judgement call on either, I'm putting that aside to point out that THERE ARE FACTUAL COMPARISIONS. This isn't even remotely disputable!

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So Covid knows to stay away from one and not the other. Cool story!

Do you see no difference in the deputy first minister flaunting the rules and ordinary people doing it.
This 10x worse than Dominic Cummings driving his family 100miles

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Do you see no difference in the deputy first minister flaunting the rules and ordinary people doing it.
This 10x worse than Dominic Cummings driving his family 100miles

Does Covid knows to stay away from one and not the other?

If it does, then there is a difference.

SF got some aspects of the funeral wrong, no doubt.

The PSNI will assess it and we'll see, how wrong they got it.

downcow

Fionn1952 wrote: »

The comparison is literally right there, Downcow. Your distaste for one doesn't change the fact that they were both heavily attended funerals, with insufficient social distancing during a global pandemic.

There are certainly differences to point out - like I said, I'm not making any sort of judgement call on either, I'm putting that aside to point out that THERE ARE FACTUAL COMPARISIONS. This isn't even remotely disputable!

Do you realise that every party from the SDLP to Alliance and the Greens are calling for her to step aside. The arrogance and sense of privilege of SF knows no bounds

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Does Covid knows to stay away from one and not the other?

If it does, then there is a difference.

SF got some aspects of the funeral wrong, no doubt.

The PSNI will assess it and we'll see, how wrong they got it.

Well I heard on the news today that in 24 hrs since SF funeral there have been over 70 applications for bands to parade their own areas on the twelfth

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Well I heard on the news today that in 24 hrs since SF funeral there have been over 70 applications for bands to parade their own areas on the twelfth

'We think SF were wrong so we are going to do wrong as well?'

Trust the OO. That made me chuckle.

Fionn1952

downcow wrote: »

Do you realise that every party from the SDLP to Alliance and the Greens are calling for her to step aside. The arrogance and sense of privilege of SF knows no bounds

I 100% think SF members were in the wrong. That doesn't mean the two funerals are totally incomparable. There are clear and obvious comparisons to be made.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'We think SF were wrong so we are going to do wrong as well?'

Trust the OO. That made me chuckle.

86 and rising by the hour.
I am pretty sure not one of them are orange order, but sure why let the truth get in the way of a good story. I haven't checked but pretty sure they are all young peoples bands

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

86 and rising by the hour.
I am pretty sure not one of them are orange order, but sure why let the truth get in the way of a good story. I haven't checked but pretty sure they are all young peoples bands

Not upfront OO maybe.

They are too late for the 12th anyhow...28 days notice is required I thought.

Seriously...they are lambasting SF and now want to do something that was cancelled because it was dangerous? Feck me.

Junkyard Tom

The problem for DC (and the southern establishment) is that SF's 700,000+ voters are watching their critics being utter hypocrites. I doubt SF will lose one voter from all this, if anything they've just added another few thousand.

RobMc59

downcow wrote: »

Do you realise that every party from the SDLP to Alliance and the Greens are calling for her to step aside. The arrogance and sense of privilege of SF knows no bounds

The opportunity to get their gurning gobs in the newspapers was too much to resist!

Fionn1952

RobMc59 wrote: »

The opportunity to get their gurning gobs in the newspapers was too much to resist!

The veneer of curiosity you joined the forum with is pretty much dust in the wind at this point, Rob.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not upfront OO maybe.

They are too late for the 12th anyhow...28 days notice is required I thought.

Seriously...they are lambasting SF and now want to do something that was cancelled because it was dangerous? Feck me.

Not OO
As i understand local bands are now applying to parade their local towns where people can watch from their gardens. They will restrict it strictly to 30 band members. Rather than joining Michele, rather they will demonstrate discipline and how it should be done.

RobMc59

Fionn1952 wrote: »

The veneer of curiosity you joined the forum with is pretty much dust in the wind at this point, Rob.

No Fionn,I'm genuinely fascinated with all aspects of Ireland.
My 'gurning'comment was meant in jest(the English interpretation of gurning)I was unaware of the Irish meaning until you used it a few weeks ago.