Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

I wouldn’t mind locking down again at all. No traffic, no crowds. I thought it was very pleasant indeed

Hector Savage

Penfailed wrote: »

I don't think that's going to happen.

Really hope you're right..

Widdensushi

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn’t mind locking down again at all. No traffic, no crowds. I thought it was very pleasant indeed

Sustainable? I presume that you are self sufficient, grow your own vegetables, animals, make your own clothes etc. Eventually as the country goes bankrupt you might need to arm yourself from those less prepared than yourself.

facehugger99

Penfailed wrote: »

Almost everything has opened up.

400,000 people still getting the emergency payment.

is_that_so

facehugger99 wrote: »

400,000 people still getting the emergency payment.

May well fall to 300K and below over the next week or two, plus 110K are now down at the standard welfare payment of €203.

Sheep Shagger

What do people make of this that seems to be doing the rounds on social media?

Am not necessarily saying I agree either...

Shared:
Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected and you’ve ignored "the rules." You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, “I don’t feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do."
With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s dead.
Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.
The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.
All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!
#MaskItOrCasket = It's not about YOU!
#MaskYourMaw = It's not about YOU!

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Stay Safe People!

No need for debate in comments. If you don't agree, simply don't copy & paste.

is_that_so

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

What do people make of this that seems to be doing the rounds on social media?

Am not necessarily saying I agree either...

Shared:
Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected and you’ve ignored "the rules." You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, “I don’t feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do."
With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s dead.
Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.
The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.
All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!
#MaskItOrCasket = It's not about YOU!
#MaskYourMaw = It's not about YOU!

Copied from a friend and shared. Please do the same.
Stay Safe People!

No need for debate in comments. If you don't agree, simply don't copy & paste.

The old chain letter, some things just never die! I'm guessing that's WhatsApp and it's something I'd delete on sight but a fantastic forum to find experts!

stephenjmcd

YellowBucket wrote: »

Not that I'm much a fan of the place, and I would prefer to support independent coffee shops, but I was just wondering what's going on with Costa Ireland?

They're the only convenient coffee place near where I work usually and they're not open. The store looks completely abandoned with a big sign up just saying it's closed and there's no cash on premises. Their social media feeds look to have stopped posting several weeks ago too, but the UK stores are definitely all up and running.

It just seems odd given a lot of their suburban / business park stores are pretty big spaces and could definitely handle socially distanced tables without much fuss. I think the one near where I work was even 2m+ between tables long before any of this ever happened.

Seems to be a lot of UK retailers going bang here.

Was wondering this as well, only coffee shop in a local retail park and was surprised not to see it open last weekend.

Perhaps they need more time to get things in order to reopen ?

v638sg7k1a92bx

hmmm wrote: »

Of course this is not flu.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-coronavirus-symptoms-1.4299112

Rubbish.

average_runner

Widdensushi wrote: »

Sustainable? I presume that you are self sufficient, grow your own vegetables, animals, make your own clothes etc. Eventually as the country goes bankrupt you might need to arm yourself from those less prepared than yourself.

OTT

D.Q

Braylen Short Tumbleweed wrote: »

Rubbish.

287K confirmed cases in the UK

40 Cases mentioned with varying degrees of neurological issues.

0.014%

It's a scary prospect, but extremely rare for the most part.

Ever read the possible side effects on a bottle of medicine?

Lets hope the guardian don't get a hold of one of those warning leaflets or we'll be getting articles about calpol causing

Bloody or black, tarry stools
bloody or cloudy urine
fever with or without chills (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
pain in the lower back and/or side (severe and/or sharp)
pinpoint red spots on the skin
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
sudden decrease in the amount of urine
unusual bleeding or bruising
unusual tiredness or weakness
yellow eyes or skin

is_that_so

D.Q wrote: »

287K confirmed cases in the UK

40 Cases mentioned with varying degrees of neurological issues.

0.014%

It's a scary prospect, but extremely rare for the most part.

Ever read the possible side effects on a bottle of medicine?

Lets hope the guardian don't get a hold of one of those warning leaflets or we'll be getting articles about calpol causing

Bloody or black, tarry stools
bloody or cloudy urine
fever with or without chills (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
pain in the lower back and/or side (severe and/or sharp)
pinpoint red spots on the skin
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
sudden decrease in the amount of urine
unusual bleeding or bruising
unusual tiredness or weakness
yellow eyes or skin

The occurrence of it is a concern but unfortunately it's how the media has chosen to draw attention to it that is most disappointing, especially in organisations that extol the need to disseminate accurate information.

average_runner

Penfailed wrote: »

I don't think that's going to happen.

Spain has failed to get its numbers under 300 so far, last few weeks it was over 400.


France and Spain are still continuing to grow on the active case front.



Ireland on the other hand is so far winning the battle, cases are down. But are always a few days from another surge, someone visiting the country and goes into an indoor venue would be the biggest spreader of it.


If we do things right, use the app, don't head out if you feel ill, then we can continue to open things up.

Jimmy Garlic

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wouldn’t mind locking down again at all. No traffic, no crowds. I thought it was very pleasant indeed

Like most of the lockdown lovers you probably don’t have much going on in your life anyway. It was paradise for the bone idle, that’s why they want it back.

average_runner

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Like most of the lockdown lovers you probably don’t have much going on in your life anyway. It was paradise for the bone idle, that’s why they want it back.

That's a pretty rude statement to make. If you had said something like this it would of been better:


- 18-35 years majority don't like lockdown, they want to be out and about with friends, having the fun and that is understandable.


Gym users are frustrated by it but probably found a new fitness hobby.


For me, lockdown was grand, I can still work from home, shop online, run in the park, spend time with the kids.



Wouldn't want another lockdown though but would survive it.


Best things that came from the lockdown for me:
- Family are spending more time in the fresh air, all on their bikes now for our Sunday weekly cycle.
- Not going to Shopping Centres for the sake of it.
- Restaurants will hopefully do takeaways all the time now

ixoy

average_runner wrote: »

- Restaurants will hopefully do takeaways all the time now

My local favourite restaurant stopped doing these once they re-opened so we went in person yesterday. They've done a very good job inside. Aside from distancing the tables:

* Temperature checked on entry and hand sanitiser station in place
* All staff masked
* One way system in and out of the restaurant

ZX7R

average_runner wrote: »

Spain has failed to get its numbers under 300 so far, last few weeks it was over 400.


France and Spain are still continuing to grow on the active case front.



Ireland on the other hand is so far winning the battle, cases are down. But are always a few days from another surge, someone visiting the country and goes into an indoor venue would be the biggest spreader of it.


If we do things right, use the app, don't head out if you feel ill, then we can continue to open things up.

Thing about Spain they are including antibody resting in there daily reports of infections.
France daily result numbers are all over the place

average_runner

ZX7R wrote: »

Thing about Spain they are including antibody resting in there daily reports of infections.
France daily result numbers are all over the place

But Spain had to close 55 beaches due to social distancing issues and then two pretty big local lockdowns.


I fear Spain could do a Italy in August/Sept, hope I am really wrong. Some Spanish friends are really concerned about Madrid where they live

MickeyLeari

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Was wondering this as well, only coffee shop in a local retail park and was surprised not to see it open last weekend.

Perhaps they need more time to get things in order to reopen ?

Is it a franchise? Has the franchise agreement run out or an exit clause being triggered or a dispute or liquidation?

D.Q

is_that_so wrote: »

The occurrence of it is a concern but unfortunately it's how the media has chosen to draw attention to it that is most disappointing, especially in organisations that extol the need to disseminate accurate information.

That's exactly how I feel as well.

Not for one second saying it isn't concerning or that it isn't happening, or that it's fake news. But media organisations that I would have respected as reliable, the Guardian/ Irish Times etc, consistently choose to frame these stories in a very deliberate way.

All people take away from these articles is the headline and the picture.

Annasopra

Braylen Short Tumbleweed wrote: »

Rubbish.

Ok. But like surely you have more to prove your point?

Jimmy Garlic

ixoy wrote: »

My local favourite restaurant stopped doing these once they re-opened so we went in person yesterday. They've done a very good job inside. Aside from distancing the tables:

* Temperature checked on entry and hand sanitiser station in place
* All staff masked
* One way system in and out of the restaurant

Who really wants to go to a restaurant if that’s the experience? Too much hassle and a paranoid atsmophere, treated like a biohazard and paying for a crap experience,lots of people who just wont bother.

Jimmy Garlic

ixoy wrote: »

My local favourite restaurant stopped doing these once they re-opened so we went in person yesterday. They've done a very good job inside. Aside from distancing the tables:

* Temperature checked on entry and hand sanitiser station in place
* All staff masked
* One way system in and out of the restaurant

Who really wants to go to a restaurant if that’s the experience? Too much hassle and a paranoid atsmophere, treated like a biohazard and paying for a crap experience,lots of people who just wont bother.

average_runner

D.Q wrote: »

That's exactly how I feel as well.

Not for one second saying it isn't concerning or that it isn't happening, or that it's fake news. But media organisations that I would have respected as reliable, the Guardian/ Irish Times etc, consistently choose to frame these stories in a very deliberate way.

All people take away from these articles is the headline and the picture.

Journalism in this country is rubbish, they have shown that throughout the reporting for covid. All very negative and frightening people. Just look at the Irish Examiner yesterday sure. They are causing more harm than good.

Seweryn

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Who really wants to go to a restaurant if that’s the experience? Too much hassle and a paranoid atsmophere, treated like a biohazard and paying for a crap experience,lots of people who just wont bother.

Nobody right in the head I guess.

I had that misfortune of pleasure last weekend. I didn't know they were taking phone numbers and names at the entry. All staff masked as if the air inside was polluted or something. I don't think I will be going out any time soon again.
Nonsense, but they were just doing what they were told, same as the rest of the world.

MickeyLeari

Seweryn wrote: »

Nobody right in the head I guess.

I had that misfortune of pleasure last weekend. I didn't know they were taking phone numbers and names at the entry. All staff masked as if the air inside was polluted or something. I don't think I will be going out any time soon again.
Nonsense, but they were just doing what they were told, same as the rest of the world.

Was in two restaurants last weekend. Staff were masked, Perspex between seats and windows open. Menus via QR codes. Great experience and atmosphere. Felt great to be relatively normal again.

Great to see some streets closed down with Bars laying down some Artificial grass, plant pots and tables/chairs which is nice when the sun is shining.

ixoy

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Who really wants to go to a restaurant if that’s the experience? Too much hassle and a paranoid atsmophere, treated like a biohazard and paying for a crap experience,lots of people who just wont bother.

The food was lovely, the staff pleasant and all the other customers were enjoying being out and chatting to friends and family. It was a minor inconvenience for a great meal.

charlie14

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Who really wants to go to a restaurant if that’s the experience? Too much hassle and a paranoid atsmophere, treated like a biohazard and paying for a crap experience,lots of people who just wont bother.

I would not regard facilities to clean my hands and a one way system as hassle.
Strange as it may seem I go to restaurants to enjoy food, wine and the company of those I am dining with. Not to get possibly infected by a life threatening virus, so I appreciate the staff by wearing masks showing regards for the well-being of customers.
But that just me. Others may go to restaurants for other experiences. What they may be, I have no idea.

Jimmy Garlic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Who really wants to go to a restaurant if that’s the experience? Too much hassle and a paranoid atsmophere, treated like a biohazard and paying for a crap experience,lots of people who just wont bother.

Have you actually been to a restaurant since reopening? Is using hand sanitiser and going in and out by a one way system really that bad? Bunch of snowflakes

Elmer Blooker

charlie14 wrote: »

I would not regard facilities to clean my hands and a one way system as hassle.
Strange as it may seem I go to restaurants to enjoy food, wine and the company of those I am dining with. Not to get possibly infected by a life threatening virus, so I appreciate the staff by wearing masks showing regards for the well-being of customers.
But that just me. Others may go to restaurants for other experiences. What they may be, I have no idea.

Not a very convincing post. If you really believe that there is a 'life threatening virus' in our midst then I doubt if you would risk your life for a meal and a few glasses of vino.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you actually been to a restaurant since reopening? Is using hand sanitiser and going in and out by a one way system really that bad?

It sounds like it's safer for us all if they stay away. If something as simple as being asked to clean their hands is such a huge imposition on their lives, you don't know what else they are not doing.

Jimmy Garlic

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have you actually been to a restaurant since reopening? Is using hand sanitiser and going in and out by a one way system really that bad? Bunch of snowflakes

Nah. No interest in feeling like an extra on the set of 12 Monkeys and frankly it’s none of their business who I am or what my phone number is. Not their fault as another poster said and I genuinely feel for them as their businesses are flushed down the toilet by civil serpent doom goblins. Less tables inevitably means less covers, a lot of them are going under, the novelty of being able to eat out is wearing off already.

Jimmy Garlic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Nah. No interest in feeling like an extra on the set of 12 Monkeys and frankly it’s none of their business who I am or what my phone number is. Not their fault as another poster said and I genuinely feel for them as their businesses are flushed down the toilet by civil serpent doom goblins. Less tables inevitably means less covers, a lot of them are going under, the novelty of being able to eat out is wearing off already.

You need to have a word with someone about your anxieties. Not healthy. All I have seen is people enjoying themselves

ixoy

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you actually been to a restaurant since reopening? Is using hand sanitiser and going in and out by a one way system really that bad? Bunch of snowflakes

Many posts back I wasn't happy with the restrictions that were in place but I think now we're getting a much better balance. It might not be ideal (and I'd probably still dispute some of the measures) but I definitely felt a much greater level of normality eating out yesterday.

charlie14

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Not a very convincing post. If you really believe that there is a 'life threatening virus' in our midst then I doubt if you would risk your life for a meal and a few glasses of vino.

To believe this is not a life threatening virus is a flat earth arguement at this point imo.
From the description by that poster of hand sanitisers, a one way system and staff wearing masks, then the risk would be a lot less than in a pub with a bunch of could not care less drunken yahoos so I would have no problem enjoying a meal and a few glasses of vino in such an establishment.

Elmer Blooker

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Not a very convincing post. If you really believe that there is a 'life threatening virus' in our midst then I doubt if you would risk your life for a meal and a few glasses of vino.

Its not an all in or all out decision. You take what measures are appropriate to the level of risk. In march the risk was unknown and the cases were rising exponentially, while now the risk is more understood, and case numbers are low and stable so you take a more balanced approach to risk. Do you wear a seatbelt even though the vast majority of car journeys end in successful completion? Did you stop wearing a seatbelt on the invention of the airbag?

charlie14

charlie14 wrote: »

To believe this is not a life threatening virus is a flat earth arguement at this point imo.
From the description by that poster of hand sanitisers, a one way system and staff wearing masks, then the risk would be a lot less than in a pub with a bunch of could not care less drunken yahoos so I would have no problem enjoying a meal and a few glasses of vino in such an establishment.

It is life threatening if you are in very bad health. If you are over 70, you should probably be staying in and seeing how this plays out over the next few months.

If you are under 60 and your health is not terrible, you have an extremely tiny chance of actually dying.

Lets face it, none of us would be out and about if this was really life threatening to us. That's not to say that we can't die. But the risk is tiny.

Seweryn

I may be a little paranoid, but I can clearly see the businesses like restaurants are going to struggle in near future to survive. The measures applied by the government are going to kill them.

Surely, they only do what they are told. But you can see the pattern here. Small businesses will be gone, the biger ones will be taken over by governments, so what will be left? Pharma giants, Facetube and Gogles? A few trillionaires in the sea of hungry and poor?

Doctor Jimbob

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Nah. No interest in feeling like an extra on the set of 12 Monkeys and frankly it’s none of their business who I am or what my phone number is. Not their fault as another poster said and I genuinely feel for them as their businesses are flushed down the toilet by civil serpent doom goblins. Less tables inevitably means less covers, a lot of them are going under, the novelty of being able to eat out is wearing off already.

Genuinely feel for them yet you won't bother your hole going to support them because of a minor inconvenience. Okay.

average_runner

Looks like much of Spain will make it compulsory to wear a mask in public. Can see the French following this soon also

Stark

ixoy wrote: »

Many posts back I wasn't happy with the restrictions that were in place but I think now we're getting a much better balance. It might not be ideal (and I'd probably still dispute some of the measures) but I definitely felt a much greater level of normality eating out yesterday.

Likewise, I was quite vocal as well about the restrictions (especially around the very low-risk outdoor stuff) but I think we have the balance right for the most part now.

copeyhagen

went to indian restaurant yesterday evening with wife and kids.
took the wives name and number and temp, had a sanitising station, that was it.

perfectly enjoyable evening (as much as is possible with a 3 and 6 year old), but was more or less business as usual.

had a great time, whya re people triggered by something that took literally 10 seconds, the point of being god forbid someone on the night was positive they can trace contact more quickly.

Seweryn

I personally didn't like the details and phone numbers being listed and stored for no particular reason.
Sure the meal was lovely as always, but there is too much invasion into privacy and you don't know what they are doing with the data.

average_runner

Seweryn wrote: »

I personally didn't like the details and phone numbers being listed and stored for no particular reason.
Sure the meal was lovely as always, but there is too much invasion into privacy and you don't know what they are doing with the data.

For no reason? Its for contact tracing. Be grateful they are looking after their customers. You have to do it for all sport training you attend also.

Seweryn

Seweryn wrote: »

I may be a little paranoid, but I can clearly see the businesses like restaurants are going to struggle in near future to survive. The measures applied by the government are going to kill them.

Surely, they only do what they are told. But you can see the pattern here. Small businesses will be gone, the biger ones will be taken over by governments, so what will be left? Pharma giants, Facetube and Gogles? A few trillionaires in the sea of hungry and poor?

Some have already folded and stated that the restrictions made it impossible to carry on.

Lots of places are appointment only at the moment. What happens when you get 3 cancellations in one night? A restaurant running at reduced capacity is even further reduced.

I think more and more will fail over the coming months.

average_runner

Deleted User wrote: »

Some have already folded and stated that the restrictions made it impossible to carry on.

Lots of places are appointment only at the moment. What happens when you get 3 cancellations in one night? A restaurant running at reduced capacity is even further reduced.

I think more and more will fail over the coming months.

Well if your going to cancel you should cancel as far in advance like you would be fore covid -19.
Restaurants starting to take deposit on the cards now for when booking which is fair enough.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you actually been to a restaurant since reopening? Is using hand sanitiser and going in and out by a one way system really that bad? Bunch of snowflakes

People like what they like. That shouldn't earn them insults!

is_that_so

average_runner wrote: »

Well if your going to cancel you should cancel as far in advance like you would be fore covid -19.
Restaurants starting to take deposit on the cards now for when booking which is fair enough.

Wasn't that the way it was before in some restaurants anyway?

average_runner

average_runner wrote: »

Well if your going to cancel you should cancel as far in advance like you would be fore covid -19.
Restaurants starting to take deposit on the cards now for when booking which is fair enough.

100%.
I imagine they get people that just no show and don't even bother cancelling.

A deposit would be a good idea. Hope most are doing this.

VonLuck

Seweryn wrote: »

I personally didn't like the details and phone numbers being listed and stored for no particular reason.
Sure the meal was lovely as always, but there is too much invasion into privacy and you don't know what they are doing with the data.

That's what was happening in restaurants before this all happened. You rang up and they took your name and number for your booking. How is this any more invasive??