Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

It is life threatening if you are in very bad health. If you are over 70, you should probably be staying in and seeing how this plays out over the next few months.

If you are under 60 and your health is not terrible, you have an extremely tiny chance of actually dying.

Lets face it, none of us would be out and about if this was really life threatening to us. That's not to say that we can't die. But the risk is tiny.

It is life threatening to those over 65 of which there are around 700,000 in this country, those recovering from cancer (150,000) plus those with diabetes, chronic respiratory disease, the obese and anyone immunocompromised.
Thankfully I am in none of those categories, but unlike some here it appears, it would really bother my conscience if I caught this virus and passed it on to anyone who is.
For that reason I appreciate business`s who, like that restaurant the poster described, are making the effort to minimise the chances of me doing so.

charlie14

Seweryn wrote: »

I personally didn't like the details and phone numbers being listed and stored for no particular reason.
Sure the meal was lovely as always, but there is too much invasion into privacy and you don't know what they are doing with the data.

I would not be over worried about it. The multinational tech companies have been selling your data to all and sundry for so long that I doubt that restaurant could find a buyer for your phone number if they tried at this stage.

Captain_Crash

VonLuck wrote: »

That's what was happening in restaurants before this all happened. You rang up and they took your name and number for your booking. How is this any more invasive??

I'd guess its happening much less now. Previously people would book two or three tables in different places on a Sat night and then pick one to go to closer to the time. Now although most restaurants have less bookings, the customers who do book are more likely to attend.

gipi

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I'd guess its happening much less now. Previously people would book two or three tables in different places on a Sat night and then pick one to go to closer to the time. Now although most restaurants have less bookings, the customers who do book are more likely to attend.

One of my local restaurants had 3 no-shows last week, a total of 13 people who booked and didn't turn up or make contact. Very tough when they've had to reduce the number of tables.

Seweryn

charlie14 wrote: »

I would not be over worried about it. The multinational tech companies have been selling your data to all and sundry for so long that I doubt that restaurant could find a buyer for your phone number if they tried at this stage.

You are very right (unfortunately). I am just getting paranoid about another way into our privacy. Just getting sick of all this. But yeah, I agree, this is nothing new to us, just another small step forward.
However, I am worried more about our future than all this (as the measures may stay for longer plus more being added), but that is another matter...

PTH2009

Todays numbers not so good

If we have to go backwards it will be a disaster, mental health will become a major issue. Thinking back to April/May **** me they were depressing and even more so now with stuff beginning to get back to normal

Spanish Eyes

PTH2009 wrote: »

Todays numbers not so good

If we have to go backwards it will be a disaster, mental health will become a major issue. Thinking back to April/May **** me they were depressing and even more so now with stuff beginning to get back to normal

Yes it is a bit worrying, considering the majority of new cases are attributed to inward travel.

But we have to wait and see if it's a trend or a blip. I hope it is just a blip, but with all the free travel from US and UK now I'd wonder a bit.

Irish Aris

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Was wondering this as well, only coffee shop in a local retail park and was surprised not to see it open last weekend.

Perhaps they need more time to get things in order to reopen ?

There is a rumour going around (not sure if it is true or not) that Costa might leave the Irish market altogether. I guess the competition here is intense and the margins are probably not big enough.
Also in my local Dunnes I saw Costa products like capsules etc. Probably looking to get into that market.

Dickie10

crazy to think the little or large village pub with 6 or 7 people in a night is shut yet there letting anyine into the country. of course the curtin twitchers will blame the pub if we get more cases.

Goldengirl

Seweryn wrote: »

I personally didn't like the details and phone numbers being listed and stored for no particular reason.
Sure the meal was lovely as always, but there is too much invasion into privacy and you don't know what they are doing with the data.

Don't worry I am sure the staff couldn't give a fxxx about you and your phone number but they have to collect them , not for no reason , but for contact tracing, and they go in the shredder after 14 days .
But you know that , I am sure?

Goldengirl

charlie14 wrote: »

It is life threatening to those over 65 of which there are around 700,000 in this country, those recovering from cancer (150,000) plus those with diabetes, chronic respiratory disease, the obese and anyone immunocompromised.
Thankfully I am in none of those categories, but unlike some here it appears, it would really bother my conscience if I caught this virus and passed it on to anyone who is.
For that reason I appreciate business`s who, like that restaurant the poster described, are making the effort to minimise the chances of me doing so.

And asthmatics too !

Utopia Parkway

Dickie10 wrote: »

crazy to think the little or large village pub with 6 or 7 people in a night is shut yet there letting anyine into the country. of course the curtin twitchers will blame the pub if we get more cases.

As much as Irish people love the pub there is a not insignificant anti-drink anti-pub element as well so the current situation is like Christmas come early for them in terms of getting pubs shut.

riclad

I passed a small cafe today. There was maybe 10 customers sitting inside, right beside each other. No social distancing at all. I think many young people think they cannot get it.
I think people are getting complacent.
It seems to be up to the owner, if there's room
outside they put tables and chairs outside and leave some space between each table.
It's ok but this is not going to practical when it gets cold in the winter.
I think it ll be hard to expect people to social distance in a pub once they start drinking
The cafes I passed this week are doing good business some people sit inside, most people sit outside if they have outside tables

Goldengirl

riclad wrote: »

I passed a small cafe today. There was maybe 10 customers sitting inside, right beside each other. No social distancing at all. I think many young people think they cannot get it.
I think people are getting complacent.
It seems to be up to the owner, if there's room
outside they put tables and chairs outside and leave some space between each table.
It's ok but this is not going to practical when it gets cold in the winter.
I think it ll be hard to expect people to social distance in a pub once they start drinking
The cafes I passed this week are doing good business some people sit inside, most people sit outside if they have outside tables

Never thought I 'd be saying this but maybe places should be investing in awnings and patio heaters and putting tables out side ?

Queasy Tadpole

Can we travel the country yet or still confined to our own counties?

bodhrandude

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Can we travel the country yet or still confined to our own counties?

No that changed in June 29th where you can travel nationally around the country, it was supposed to be July 20th but Phase 3 was brought in three weeks earlier than planned and July 20th will now be Phase 4.

Queasy Tadpole

bodhrandude wrote: »

No that changed in June 29th where you can travel nationally around the country, it was supposed to be July 20th but Phase 3 was brought in three weeks earlier than planned and July 20th will now be Phase 4.

Brilliant. Thanks. So I'm in Dublin, if the Gardai pull me in Sligo on the 21st I'm in the clear?

facehugger99

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Brilliant. Thanks. So I'm in Dublin, if the Gardai pull me in Sligo on the 21st I'm in the clear?

asked and answered.

VonLuck

Dickie10 wrote: »

crazy to think the little or large village pub with 6 or 7 people in a night is shut yet there letting anyine into the country. of course the curtin twitchers will blame the pub if we get more cases.

There should be an instant ban for anyone using the term "curtain twitchers". It's solely used to try and diminish someone's concern over the pandemic by resorting to name calling.

Hooked

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Brilliant. Thanks. So I'm in Dublin, if the Gardai pull me in Sligo on the 21st I'm in the clear?

July 20th date was brought back to June 29th!!!

Travel ban is GONE. On your bike...

gral6

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Brilliant. Thanks. So I'm in Dublin, if the Gardai pull me in Sligo on the 21st I'm in the clear?

Tell 'em that you are living in the free country!

road_high

VonLuck wrote: »

There should be an instant ban for anyone using the term "curtain twitchers". It's solely used to try and diminish someone's concern over the pandemic by resorting to name calling.

It’s just an opinion. But with some only one opinion is allowed. That which fits with said people

Jackman25

bodhrandude wrote: »

No that changed in June 29th where you can travel nationally around the country, it was supposed to be July 20th but Phase 3 was brought in three weeks earlier than planned and July 20th will now be Phase 4.

Thanks to this thread.

FintanMcluskey

YellowBucket wrote: »

Not that I'm much a fan of the place, and I would prefer to support independent coffee shops, but I was just wondering what's going on with Costa Ireland?

They're the only convenient coffee place near where I work usually and they're not open. The store looks completely abandoned with a big sign up just saying it's closed and there's no cash on premises. Their social media feeds look to have stopped posting several weeks ago too, but the UK stores are definitely all up and running.

It just seems odd given a lot of their suburban / business park stores are pretty big spaces and could definitely handle socially distanced tables without much fuss. I think the one near where I work was even 2m+ between tables long before any of this ever happened.

Seems to be a lot of UK retailers going bang here.

The Costa in Applegreen in Tullamore is open since Wednesday.

I asked the lad working there whats the story with the rest of them and he said they will open on July 20th.

Obviously the powers that be are busy curtain twitching

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn’t mind locking down again at all. No traffic, no crowds. I thought it was very pleasant indeed

This is a disgusting post and one I have sadly seen again and again.

The lack of traffic is the sound of people losing their jobs and the economy collapsing. Those people could be losing their homes very soon.

But as long as its pleasant for you thats ok I guess?

JDD

The Costa near my house has also remained closed. I was chatting to a lady outside, who said that her friend worked in the cafe, and apparently they are not opening again until September.

bush

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a disgusting post and one I have sadly seen again and again.

The lack of traffic is the sound of people losing their jobs and the economy collapsing. Those people could be losing their homes very soon.

But as long as its pleasant for you thats ok I guess?

Im still not back to work and this fella would love another lockdown :mad:

Penfailed

Jackman25 wrote: »

Thanks to this thread.

Hahaha! Delusion.

BattleCorp

bush wrote: »

Im still not back to work and this fella would love another lockdown :mad:

We will have another lockdown. It's happening in other places, unfortunately it will happen here too.

And given the pics I saw at the weekend with the streets thronged with revellers who were ignoring social distancing, I reckon it will be sooner rather than later.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for another lockdown at the moment, I just think a hell of a lot of people are being irresponsible and pretty much 'asking for it'.

is_that_so

BattleCorp wrote: »

We will have another lockdown. It's happening in other places, unfortunately it will happen here too.

And given the pics I saw at the weekend with the streets thronged with revellers who were ignoring social distancing, I reckon it will be sooner rather than later.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for another lockdown at the moment, I just think a hell of a lot of people are being irresponsible and pretty much 'asking for it'.

If asking for it is about 25 cases a day or lower after 7 weeks of easing restrictions then yes we are. We can expect cases to continue but we will have to live with the presence of the disease. Keeping its prevalence as low as possible is the aim.

BattleCorp

BattleCorp wrote: »

We will have another lockdown. It's happening in other places, unfortunately it will happen here too.

And given the pics I saw at the weekend with the streets thronged with revellers who were ignoring social distancing, I reckon it will be sooner rather than later.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for another lockdown at the moment, I just think a hell of a lot of people are being irresponsible and pretty much 'asking for it'.

Keep in mind that the disease easily has the potential to stick around for longer than our resources can handle.

Michael Martin already stated that a 2nd lockdown would kill us financially.

If there is a 2nd national lockdown, even more people will be unemployed than last time. And we have less to give.

The pot is constantly shrinking but the people in need would be increasing.

Either a vaccine comes along very soon or we are forced to move forward.

Goldengirl

road_high wrote: »

It’s just an opinion. But with some only one opinion is allowed. That which fits with said people

So if it's my opinion that you are an axxxxxe that's fine to say it here then?

Goldengirl

is_that_so wrote: »

If asking for it is about 25 cases a day or lower after 7 weeks of easing restrictions then yes we are. We can expect cases to continue but we will have to live with the presence of the disease. Keeping its prevalence as low as possible is the aim.

Yes , that ..is the aim .
But won't be possible if those scenes that happened at the weekend continue, he is right too.

MickeyLeari

How will they manage mass at Christmas. On the box ? or will passes be given on the basis of loyalty points? Maybe they could have a few ‘corporate‘ rows?

But what is clear is that most of us will be having our Christmas dinners at home.

is_that_so

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes , that ..is the aim .
But won't be possible if those scenes that happened at the weekend continue, he is right too.

Oh I know, but we'll keep getting prodded to cop on to ourselves!

charlie14

is_that_so wrote: »

Oh I know, but we'll keep getting prodded to cop on to ourselves!

Unfortunately I have the feeling that even if you used a cattle prod, most of those we saw in Dublin city center last weekend would still not cop on

tom1ie

is_that_so wrote: »

If asking for it is about 25 cases a day or lower after 7 weeks of easing restrictions then yes we are. We can expect cases to continue but we will have to live with the presence of the disease. Keeping its prevalence as low as possible is the aim.

Grand so let’s wear masks in enclosed spaces and stop inviting the virus in yeah?

MonkstownHoop

MickeyLeari wrote: »

How will they manage mass at Christmas. On the box ? or will passes be given on the basis of loyalty points? Maybe they could have a few ‘corporate‘ rows?

But what is clear is that most of us will be having our Christmas dinners at home.

Most of us usually do no?

MickeyLeari

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

Most of us usually do no?

Correct. It was a preemptive strike.

And while I do like the odd meal and drink out, I certainly will not miss the work lunch out.

road_high

I doubt the pubs will reopen next week fully. The mood music is back to the scaremongering soundtrack and threatening again. That and foreign travel are the core Covidmania shames of sin.

Spanish Eyes

road_high wrote: »

I doubt the pubs will reopen next week fully. The mood music is back to the scaremongering soundtrack and threatening again. That and foreign travel are the core Covidmania shames of sin.

I think the pubs will open on 20th. FF are all for the publicans! but I do expect a bit of caution re foreign travel. And a clear message re SD and mask wearing.

The lack of leadership and clear messages from Gov is very disappointing. It's not as if Covid landed on the new Administration's desk on day one. Anyway they had to wait for Arlene, so now we are beholden to the UK one way or another, unless we close the border. Not Going To Happen.

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

I doubt the pubs will reopen next week fully. The mood music is back to the scaremongering soundtrack and threatening again. That and foreign travel are the core Covidmania shames of sin.

We've not seen the numbers reflect anything from the stage 3 reopening yet but as it stands the numbers would not be preventive.

They're reminding everyone what to do and what not to do. If you can go into a pub and order a €9 toastie with a pint you can go in for a pint. Doesn't exactly make the risk higher or lower

is_that_so

tom1ie wrote: »

Grand so let’s wear masks in enclosed spaces and stop inviting the virus in yeah?

Some of these new cases seem to be coming out of young(er) 'uns being in higher risk locations where you'd never wear a mask anyway. We won't hit zero and will be very dependent on our testing system kicking in and isolating any outbreaks.

road_high

is_that_so wrote: »

Some of these new cases seem to be coming out of young(er) 'uns being in higher risk locations where you'd never wear a mask anyway. We won't hit zero and will be more dependent on our testing system kicking in and isolating any outbreaks.

What locations are these?

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

We've not seen the numbers reflect anything from the stage 3 reopening yet but as it stands the numbers would not be preventive.

They're reminding everyone what to do and what not to do. If you can go into a pub and order a €9 toastie with a pint you can go in for a pint. Doesn't exactly make the risk higher or lower

When has logic and numbers really came into it? “Caution” trumps all with corona (mania)

is_that_so

road_high wrote: »

What locations are these?

House parties for now.

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

When has logic and numbers really came into it? “Caution” trumps all with corona (mania)

Numbers have always come into it. If you see adverse effects from one phase they'll rethink the next.

We've not had major issues with reopenings at the moment.

Without valid justification theres no reason come the 20th the final phase doesn't take place

rob316

Still feck all community transmission, just have to watch the imported cases now.

is_that_so

rob316 wrote: »

Still feck all community transmission, just have to watch the imported cases now.

As has happened elsewhere. It can't just be kept out. Keep track of them, then move in to isolate if cases appear.

TaurenDruid

road_high wrote: »

When has logic and numbers really came into it? “Caution” trumps all with corona (mania)

Pretty much from the first couple of weeks of this, when Holohan and the HSE, then NPHET, recognised the seriousness of this and the correct response, and we got our roadmap.

That absolutely succeeded in flattening the curve. We got the R number right down, to the extent we were able to bring forward the easing of restrictions.

That's where logic and numbers came into it. Sorry if those facts don't fit your narrative.

Unfortunately, despite all of that hard work and progress by most of us, a bunch of selfish and greedy ****wits seem to have ruined it for us now - crowded beaches, drinking on the street with no social distancing, house parties, etc - and so we're now seeing the R number back up to 1 and all the new cases are under 45...