Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

vid36

I think this forum will be busy this evening.

Redo91

What a f**king farce of a decision! Feel very sorry for any publicans that have to wait that long. Does the gov want to run them into the ground or what?! The €9 meal makes no sense! No logic to it!

MOR316

What is the pub situation like in Belfast, in terms of opening times, reopening etc?

is_that_so

Hurrache wrote: »

Wait, you're saying the decision not to allow pubs reopen until the 10th of August is a disgusting lack of decision making

On the basis that it's 2 working days to Monday yes it's poor planning. They should have made the call last week. God knows, they were ranting enough about it last week.

prunudo

Very irrate publican on Newstalk now, absolutely livid so she is.
I don't understand this sudden need for masks either when we've been shopping for months without them to no ill effect. 14 new cases today, very disappointed by this reaction.
Another lad on now talking about eliminating the virus from the country, what cloud are these clowns on.

stephenjmcd

vid36 wrote: »

Folks we better stock up on masks, they will be mandatory until next spring at best.

Can you tell me the lotto numbers too seeing as you can see into the future ?

MOR316

Might go to Belfast for a weekend so...

Damiencm

Deleted User wrote:

It would be fairly silly if people were free to jet off to different countries and go to as many pubs as they want but the risk is deemed too high to have a pint in your local.

Well would it though....?

It's been done to death in these threads at this stage but the social distancing/ mask wearing strategy is far further a long in some other countries than it is here.

Idbatterim

If Belfast is an option I'm going up. Is the virus stopping at pub and nightclub doors on the revised date now? Jesus this country is an obscene banana republic... they'll change their minds again on the revised dates... publicans should open again en masse. Dont want to piss of a few American tourists but prepared to **** over and potentially shut down businesses here permanently. Hundreds of thousands of jobs on the line. The country purposely cruising towards the financial abyss titanic iceberg!

I hope there is zero bailout this time , round two of economic suicide... last them deal with the cowardice ramifications...

Idbatterim

MOR316 wrote: »

Might go to Belfast for a weekend so...

Are the pubs and clubs open there like normal now?

MOR316

Idbatterim wrote: »

Are the pubs and clubs open there like normal now?

What I'm trying to find out

facehugger99

It's hard to fathom what the fcuk is going on to to be quite honest.

What figure are we hoping to get to? - I'm starting to fear it's 'zero' and the lunatics have taken over.

Lockdown is not a tool to eliminate the virus - we live in an open economy and we need to deal with it like mature adults not frightened children.

As for the face-coverings in shops - absolutely stupid and will affect the shop workers far more than the customers. Why are my local Dunnes staff not dropping like flys despite months of working in supermarkets when none of them and fcuk all of the customers are wearing masks?

Logic has been well and truly fcuked out the window. Depressing to watch the Government flush yet more viable business and jobs down the toilet for no reason. I hope some of the publicans take a class action.

If there is one small positive to take from today, it’s that more and more people are starting to get sick of this nonsense.

We need to understand what the plan is and how do we get there.

The restrictions suggest that we are trying to get the numbers as close as possible to 0. Possibly eradicate the virus.

But allowing flights in from other badly hit countries goes against the eradication. Any open borders goes against that.

Flattening the curve is not the goal because it was flattened in early May.

Preventing the hospitals getting overwhelmed can’t be the plan... we only have 10 in ICU.

It feels like Martin has just panicked because a backlog was added to yesterday’s figures. Keep the pubs closed for 3 weeks more and copy the UK on face masks.

Disgusting leadership in this country. We have no idea what we are doing. Caving our economy while praying a better country will give us a vaccine.

Redo91

Redo91 wrote: »

What a f**king farce of a decision! Feel very sorry for any publicans that have to wait that long. Does the gov want to run them into the ground or what?! The €9 meal makes no sense! No logic to it!

It's arbitrary bollocks, a scandalous decision by our incumbent government. Could one expect any less from Micheál the moocher. On the one hand you have tourists from Covid-19 hotspots running around Ireland without a care in the world, meanwhile publicans who can implement social distancing are kicked to the kerb. Having heavily invested in stock, the rug suddenly pulled from under them with very little notice. Our government venerates the dollar, yet at the same time pisses down on small business owners in this country. Shameful.

MadYaker

Its easy to be angry but if you think about it its understandable. R number is rising even with pubs and clubs closed and it will rise even more over the next few weeks with them closed. The last time around it was a bit different. It was mostly old people getting infected but this time its mostly young people. So although cases are rising it seems like ICU numbers and hospital admissions aren't rising yet, but its too early to say if this trend is likely to continue or not. In 3 weeks we will have a clearer picture. If I was in charge id do the same.

Lundstram

Would love to see every pub open on Monday and packed out as a show of unity against these spineless politicians. Denying Irish citizens their right to earn a living whilst allowing tourists from America and Brazil to roam around the place unhindered.

God, I hate our new taoiseach. Slimey.

s1ippy

Personally I think the decisions are strange.

I'm 100% in favour of mandatory facemasks being worn anywhere you can't socially distance. That's a step forward anyway for people who literally need things spelled out before they'll endure even minor inconvenience for others. It will be safer for everyone to go out as a consequence of this.

Pubs reopening closer to the date schools have as their target for reopening is not great. Obviously the same feckless idiots who need there to be a law before they wear a mask in public will likely also be having house parties where spreading the virus will be a big risk and the rest will head up North for a pint. Maybe it'll only affect selfish people like them, but I doubt it and I pity their families.

My sister is hell-bent on getting us to drop our threshold of risk and come in to their house, likely because she wants me to babysit three kids for her. She's two declined invitations away from an outburst. I won't put my dependents at risk by going near anyone, especially someone who clearly isn't taking precautions. A short-term action in this can have long-term, far reaching and even fatal consequences. We've only had friends out the back garden, it's been absolutely fine and the risks which go with bringing them in to the house doesn't seem worth whatever supposed gain there is.

As for the tourism sector, whatever money is made from the yanks coming in is going to be lost tenfold by the spread of the virus around the country. Allowing people to fly out of the country while telling them not to is short-sighted and naïve. Its bizarre that this has been talked about all week and no satisfactory action has been taken... It's almost like those making the decisions have a financial stake in the hospitality and rental property sectors! Irish people are being forced into a situation where they're prisoners on their own island with visitors coming to have a look at them like some sort of human zoo.

Enjoy wearing your masks, I'll definitely enjoy seeing it, especially when I'm thinking about the people here who are outraged about it.

Downlinz

Sensible decision on the masks, should have been implemented sooner like in many other countries.

Alarming to read some of the comments here and the effects alcoholism has on certain folk to a point of wishing ruin on the country because of being denied a pint. Hope you lads can get the help you need to recover.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

It's arbitrary bollocks, a scandalous decision by our incumbent government. Could one expect any less from Micheál the moocher. On the one hand you have tourists from Covid-19 hotspots running around Ireland without a care in the world, meanwhile publicans who can implement social distancing are kicked to the kerb. Having heavily invested in stock, the rug suddenly pulled from under them with very little notice. Our government venerates the dollar, yet at the same time pisses down on small business owners in this country. Shameful.

What other kind of govt could we have?

Doctor Jimbob

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's hard to fathom what the fcuk is going on to to be quite honest.

What figure are we hoping to get to? - I'm starting to fear it's 'zero' and the lunatics have taken over.

Lockdown is not a tool to eliminate the virus - we live in an open economy and we need to deal with it like mature adults not frightened children.

As for the face-coverings in shops - absolutely stupid and will affect the shop workers far more than the customers. Why are my local Dunnes staff not dropping like flys despite months of working in supermarkets when none of them and fcuk all of the customers are wearing masks?

Logic has been well and truly fcuked out the window. Depressing to watch the Government flush yet more viable business and jobs down the toilet for no reason. I hope some of the publicans take a class action.

Probably the first time I've agreed with you on this thread but I'm baffled by this as well.

Can't see the harm in the masks though.

AdamD

s1ippy wrote: »

Personally I think the decisions are strange.

I'm 100% in favour of mandatory facemasks being worn anywhere you can't socially distance. That's a step forward anyway for people who literally need things spelled out before they'll endure even minor inconvenience for others. It will be safer for everyone to go out as a consequence of this.

Pubs reopening closer to the date schools have as their target for reopening is not great. Obviously the same feckless idiots who need there to be a law before they wear a mask in public will likely also be having house parties where spreading the virus will be a big risk and the rest will head up North for a pint. Maybe it'll only affect selfish people like them, but I doubt it and I pity their families.

My sister is hell-bent on getting us to drop our threshold of risk and come in to their house, likely because she wants me to babysit three kids for her. She's two declined invitations away from an outburst. I won't put my dependents at risk by going near anyone, especially someone who clearly isn't taking precautions. A short-term action in this can have long-term, far reaching and even fatal consequences. We've only had friends out the back garden, it's been absolutely fine and the risks which go with bringing them in to the house doesn't seem worth whatever supposed gain there is.

As for the tourism sector, whatever money is made from the yanks coming in is going to be lost tenfold by the spread of the virus around the country. Allowing people to fly out of the country while telling them not to is short-sighted and naïve. Its bizarre that this has been talked about all week and no satisfactory action has been taken... It's almost like those making the decisions have a financial stake in the hospitality and rental property sectors! Irish people are being forced into a situation where they're prisoners on their own island with visitors coming to have a look at them like some sort of human zoo.

Enjoy wearing your masks, I'll definitely enjoy seeing it, especially when I'm thinking about the people here who are outraged about it.

I get everyone's different, but this for me would be no life worth living. We did it for 2/3 months of lockdown, but now I'll take the risk to see friends and family.

Lundstram

s1ippy wrote: »

Personally I think the decisions are strange.

I'm 100% in favour of mandatory facemasks being worn anywhere you can't socially distance. That's a step forward anyway for people who literally need things spelled out before they'll endure even minor inconvenience for others. It will be safer for everyone to go out as a consequence of this.

Pubs reopening closer to the date schools have as their target for reopening is not great. Obviously the same feckless idiots who need there to be a law before they wear a mask in public will likely also be having house parties where spreading the virus will be a big risk and the rest will head up North for a pint. Maybe it'll only affect selfish people like them, but I doubt it and I pity their families.

My sister is hell-bent on getting us to drop our threshold of risk and come in to their house, likely because she wants me to babysit three kids for her. She's two declined invitations away from an outburst. I won't put my dependents at risk by going near anyone, especially someone who clearly isn't taking precautions. A short-term action in this can have long-term, far reaching and even fatal consequences. We've only had friends out the back garden, it's been absolutely fine and the risks which go with bringing them in to the house doesn't seem worth whatever supposed gain there is.

As for the tourism sector, whatever money is made from the yanks coming in is going to be lost tenfold by the spread of the virus around the country. Allowing people to fly out of the country while telling them not to is short-sighted and naïve. Its bizarre that this has been talked about all week and no satisfactory action has been taken... It's almost like those making the decisions have a financial stake in the hospitality and rental property sectors! Irish people are being forced into a situation where they're prisoners on their own island with visitors coming to have a look at them like some sort of human zoo.

Enjoy wearing your masks, I'll definitely enjoy seeing it, especially when I'm thinking about the people here who are outraged about it.

What a load of nonsensical rubbish. :rolleyes:

You wear your mask, don't worry about what others do. Or better yet, stay at home if you're so concerned. Busybody.

MonkstownHoop

Downlinz wrote: »

Sensible decision on the masks, should have been implemented sooner like in many other countries.

Alarming to read some of the comments here and the effects alcoholism has on certain folk to a point of wishing ruin on the country because of being denied a pint. Hope you lads can get the help you need to recover.

Doubt any alcoholics need pubs open:rolleyes:

is_that_so

s1ippy wrote: »

Enjoy wearing your masks, I'll definitely enjoy seeing it, especially when I'm thinking about the people here who are outraged about it.

Malice can always find a mark to shoot at, and an excuse to fire.

snotboogie

Lundstram wrote: »

Would love to see every pub open on Monday and packed out as a show of unity against these spineless politicians. Denying Irish citizens their right to earn a living whilst allowing tourists from America and Brazil to roam around the place unhindered.

God, I hate our new taoiseach. Slimey.

While you are correct on the hypocrisy of the Irish government, you are on one hand saying you want all pubs open and packed and on the other complaining about US tourists. How do you think the US got into the situation its in today?

Downlinz

Downlinz wrote: »

Sensible decision on the masks, should have been implemented sooner like in many other countries.

Alarming to read some of the comments here and the effects alcoholism has on certain folk to a point of wishing ruin on the country because of being denied a pint. Hope you lads can get the help you need to recover.

Ridiculous post.

Pubs have been closed since mid March. I think people were looking forward to a few drinks and some socialising. Not everyone that drinks is an alcoholic.

But you know that.

s1ippy

is_that_so wrote: »

Malice can always find a mark to shoot at, and an excuse to fire.

Agreed, the malicious individuals with no consideration for those they might infect are certainly getting their comeuppance with these new regulations.

_Kaiser_

Micheal Martin on RTE News Now at the moment.

- Phase 4 delayed
- face coverings should be worn by all customers and staff in shops unless separated by a screen
- pubs, bars, hotel bars remain closed until 10th August
- social visits recommended to be limited to 10 visitors from no more than 4 households
- public gathering limits extended to 10th August

bucketybuck

I work in one of those essential services and I have been following the restrictions with as much common sense as I can. I wash my hands, keep my distance from people, haven't visited my family in months, haven't had a social life in months, basically I have done little but work and sleep since March.

What is happening now is utter bull****. I'm no rabble rouser but I know when I am being sold a pup and right now we are being taken for fools.

Bollocks to the lot of it, they can shove their restrictions up their arse. House party? Trip up North? Cans in Dame Lane? Sign me up. And I'll be happy to support any business that decides to open up and be damned to the lot of them because they have nothing left to lose.

is_that_so

s1ippy wrote: »

Agreed, the malicious individuals with no consideration for those they might infect are certainly getting their comeuppance with these new regulations.

Some thoughts are best unvoiced lest people judge you as less than you imagine you are!

pjohnson

Knew this thread would be back to its best!

growleaves

pjohnson wrote: »

Knew this thread would be back to its best!

What is your opinion of the delay of pub openings until August 10th?

facehugger99

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Probably the first time I've agreed with you on this thread but I'm baffled by this as well.

Can't see the harm in the masks though.

Knew you'd get there eventually.

CruelSummer

Wow Míchael Martin and Stephen Donnelly are literally just singing ‘public health advice’ as their strategy for the current crisis. They are not giving me any hope for the coming months, where is the leadership! Stop quoting NPHET and show us how to Govern alongside the public health advice...

Hurrache

CruelSummer wrote: »

Wow Míchael Martin and Stephen Donnelly are literally just singing ‘public health advice’ as their strategy for the current crisis. They are not giving me any hope for the coming months, where is the leadership! Stop quoting NPHET and show us how to Govern alongside the public health advice...

Obligatory 'Sinn Fein are in agreement' post.

_Kaiser_

CruelSummer wrote: »

Wow Míchael Martin and Stephen Donnelly are literally just singing ‘public health advice’ as their strategy for the current crisis. They are not giving me any hope for the coming months, where is the leadership! Stop quoting NPHET and show us how to Govern alongside the public health advice...

That (low) bar was set with Leo and Simon. The only difference seems to be that we're not getting movie quotes :rolleyes:

It's a unwarranted response to where we are now and I reckon it'll cause a lot of problems in the next few weeks. Everyone will be out buying masks in the morning (if not already) and like sanitiser it'll be an excuse to gouge people.

Then there'll be the impact on business as people restrict their activity to the minimum I reckon.

The funniest thing is that apparently there will still be a green list from Monday.

So you literally will be allowed go to another country and go on a pub crawl for a week if you want.

But it’s too dangerous to have 1 or 2 in your local.
But we also wish people would staycation!!!

You couldn’t make it up!

Spanish Eyes

AAAAAnd the thread is rejuvenated!

VonLuck

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So just hearing about this ridiculous notion to make masks mandatory in shops and indoor locations (offices etc as well then I assume?)... completely unjustified at this stage. I live in a county with 1% of cases, am not and have not been sick and find masks hard to breathe in, hot and unconfortable.

Cases are rising so I would imagine it's a preemptive attempt at limiting the spread as more people are mingling. Wasn't so much an issue previously when most people were locked up.

Hard to believe you are complaining about the inconvenience of a mask. Firstly, you must be wearing the wrong mask. I've those disposable ones and you'd hardly know you were even wearing one. Also you only have to wear it for very brief periods when you're shopping or on public transport. They're not asking you to chop off a limb FFS.

CruelSummer

Stephen Donnelly just admitted that 9 of every 10 cases are domestic, and yet they demonised anyone who dared think about leaving on their paid for holidays...how does this make any sense?

Did they not claim less than 2 weeks ago - ‘travel was a big concern re cases’. What hypocrites.

average_runner

I agreed with the lockdown, but this move makes no sense. By 10th of Aug our cases will.average 40 or so a day.

Pubs won't open before xmas at this rate.

Penfailed

facehugger99 wrote: »

I hope some of the publicans take a class action.

There's no such thing as a class action lawsuit in Ireland.

facehugger99

How can they possibly allow the pubs to open on August 10th?

What will be different on that date that isn't the case now?

How will the schools reopen in September if this is the bar we are setting.

How long are we planning on paying hundreds of thousands of people an emergency payment not to work?

Why the fcuk is no media outlet asking these questions?


We are in very dangerous territory as a country.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

There's no such thing as a class action lawsuit in Ireland.

Thats fairly pedantic. One can still challenge with support from the rest.

To be fair they have been fukd over this evening. Restocked ready to go and lack of leadership cost them their livelihoods.

quartz1

There going to be a green list on the 20 th outlining green countries where you may travel without restrictions . If you go to a red list country you will be asked nicely to obey quarantines but they won't enforce it because it's too difficult.

you can attend a pub in the green country but you can't come home and attend a pub .

Theres no point testing travellers but when Michael Martin goes to Brussels he will be tested twice after he returns

I am not.inspired

_Kaiser_

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats fairly pedantic. One can still challenge with support from the rest.

To be fair they have been fukd over this evening. Restocked ready to go and lack of leadership cost them their livelihoods.

That's a good point too. They've probably spent a lot of money clearing lines and old stock and replacing it for the expected busy week ahead and now that stock will gather dust for another month.

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hope can they possibly allow the pubs to open on August 10th?

What will be different on that date that isn't the case now?

How will the schools reopen in September if this is the bar we are setting.

How long are we planning on paying hundreds of thousands of people an emergency payment not to work?

Why the fcuk is no media outlet asking these questions?


We are in very dangerous territory as a country.

From a media point of view investigative journalism is dead.

Investigative journalism is important for democracy.

Waters was one of the last I remember before things went south

Spanish Eyes

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

From a media point of view investigative journalism is dead.

Investigative journalism is important for democracy.

Waters was one of the last I remember before things went south

But, but what about Cowengate lol.

dundalkfc10

My local have announced they will be opening Monday and I'm seeing a few more have said the same

Allinall

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

My local have announced they will be opening Monday and I'm seeing a few more have said the same

Good luck with them trying to renew their licence in September.