Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

FintanMcluskey

skallywag wrote: »

This website for example?

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Good lord. Thats bizzare.

Its like porn for some no doubt

FintanMcluskey

bb1234567 wrote: »

This is not true at all that it's killing mostly 80 year olds worldwide. It's mostly killing middle aged people(40-65 yrs) and relatively healthy people now in actual fact since it moved out of Europe, this demographic makes upt he vast majority of new deaths worldwide since the pandemic slowed in Europe, this is fact.

In Mexico, India, Peru, Pakistan, Brazil and much of the developing world, about 50% or more of their deaths have been 59 or under, and between 50% and 66% had no underlying health conditions. This equates to hundreds of thousands of middle aged and younger people dying from covid worldwide, a majority of them with no health conditions.


It's one outbreak in Europe, a very different one for the rest of the world. COVID is a serious and dangerous disease for peple in the developing world, no doubt about this.

Links

India
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/jun/19/most-covid-19-victims-in-india-belong-to-most-productive-age-study-2158680.html




Mexico:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/06/24/important-facts-about-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-mexico-city/#e7d14776c1c2



Pakistan:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1555884

This equates to 58% of Pakistan's death being aged 59 years of age or under.

Indonesia
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/17/covid-19-kills-elderly-haunts-the-young-in-indonesia.html

This means 66% of deaths in Indonesia are aged 59 or under.

Peru:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.14.20123315v1.full.pdf

These percentages of the above 60 age groups add to 66.8%.
Meaning in Peru 33.2% of deaths have been on those aged 59 or under.



So please have at least some idea about the subject matter youre bleating on about, youre woefully misinformed of the situation. There is a reason why people are worried about it , and it's not because they are overreacting. You're underreacting due to ignorance.

Always happy to educate.

Whats the life expectancy in those places?

Whats the mortality rate of under under 65's?

Seweryn

skallywag wrote: »

This website for example?

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Why would anyone waste their time looking at these death numbers, when even in this country it is very clear they are hugely overestimated?

Anyway, similar numbers can be displayed for flu, or may even be higher.

Beanybabog

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yes that is a major issue. My grandad had been diagnosed with very treatable prostate cancer in February. He received one bout of radiotherapy which was well tolerated, obviously this was suspended since then. It resumed today and he reacted extremely badly to the second round and is now staying in A&E overnight, I imagine it is as result of the cancer having advanced considerably in development in the meantime as he now has extreme pain in the baldder dueo to the prostate tumour growing and pressing off surrounding areas. Further testing awaiting but I don't think the news will be good.

This is just terrible. I always wondered when they talked about the “public health” advice were they talking about not spreading the virus advice only, or did they actually analyse all the knock on effects on all areas of the health service and decide it was still worth it to cancel all the other treatments

Seweryn

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Whats the life expectancy in those places?

Pakistan and India? 65 - 69 is life expectancy...

skallywag

Seweryn wrote: »

Why would anyone waste their time looking at these death numbers, when even in this country it is very clear they are hugely overestimated?

Are you honestly saying that this site is wrongly reporting deaths from Covid19?

Seweryn

Seweryn wrote: »

Why would anyone waste their time looking at these death numbers, when even in this country it is very clear they are hugely overestimated?

Anyway, similar numbers can be displayed for flu, or may even be higher.

If similar numbers could be displayed for flu where are they?

Seweryn

Seweryn wrote: »

Pakistan and India? 65 - 69 is life expectancy...

So more than 50% of deaths from COVID there are premature. I thought only those who had gone past their sell by date died from this?

Also, huge rates of child mortality drive life expectancy lower in much of the world. Once they get to 50+ life expectancies are not that far below ours

TaurenDruid

Deleted User wrote: »

Japan did nothing? They didn't postpone the Olympics? They are not already admitting that the may need to cancel altogether next year due to the seriousness of the situation?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/29/tokyo-olympics-not-reliant-on-covid-19-vaccine-senior-ioc-member

And they are staring to see a new surge in cases having initially contained it brilliantly

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

Jesus, there you go again, using facts, numbers and reported events to undermine a perfectly heartfelt "I have this theory I read somewhere on facebook that I'm now going to repeat!" post.

My mate, whose Tokyo marathon was cancelled, is still trying to get his money back from the airline. But yeah, the Japanese did nothing...

skallywag

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Good lord. Thats bizzare.

Its like porn for some no doubt

You have never heard of John Hopkins University I take it? Is it all just a cod you think?

FintanMcluskey

skallywag wrote: »

You have never heard of John Hopkins University I take it? Is it all just a cod you think?

Any relation of Neil Ferguson?

Seweryn

skallywag wrote: »

Are you honestly saying that this site is wrongly reporting deaths from Covid19?

Honestly, yes.

Wrongly reporting Deaths from C., sure it is reporting wrongly. Get accurate death reports from any country and see for yourself. Even our own HSE admit the deaths from C. are well over-counted.

skallywag

Seweryn wrote: »

Honestly, yes.

Wrongly reporting Deaths from C., sure it is reporting wrongly. Get accurate death reports from any country and see for yourself. Even our own HSE admit the deaths from C. are well over-counted.

Can you throw an 'accurate death report' up from one of these countries, and we can then compare those numbers to those captured on the John Hopskins site?

bb1234567

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Whats the life expectancy in those places?

Whats the mortality rate of under under 65's?

India - 69,Mexico 75, Indonesia 71, Peru 76, Pakistan 65

Considerably more than 59 years or under which is the age group in which about half of deaths in the developing world are now occurring. Many, or even most also had no underlying health conditions. But because in Ireland the average age of death was really high because it was so skewed by nursing home outbreaks that means it's only dangerous to the elderly right?

Some people on this thread just don't want to accept that reality, which is fine, it is a depressing fact , but at least just ignore and don't try to make up alternative facts(not talking to you specifically, just in general). It is killing many many middle aged people, and by this time next year will have killed probably several million people who are not elderly, that's the reality

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

India - 69,Mexico 75, Indonesia 71, Peru 76, Pakistan 65

Considerably more than 59 years or under which is the age group in which about half of deaths in the developing world are now occurring. Many, or even most also had no underlying health conditions. But because in Ireland the average age of death was really high because it was so skewed by nursing home outbreaks that means it's only dangerous to the elderly right?

Some people on this thread just don't want to accept that reality, which is fine, it is a depressing fact , but at least just ignore and don't try to make up alternative facts(not talking to you specifically, just in general). It is killing many many middle aged people, and by years end will have killed probably several million people who are not considered elderly, that's the reality

That’s not the reality. The reality is just over 600000 dead going into the 7th month of this. And that’s with countries having no idea how to handle it which has changed now.

There won’t be several million dead by the end of the year.

Meanwhile, the economy is on the verge of collapsing. A good dose of austerity might make people feel differently about Covid.

I think the government will try hold it back until 2021 if they can afford to.

bb1234567

Deleted User wrote: »

That’s not the reality. The reality is just over 600000 dead going into the 7th month of this. And that’s with countries having no idea how to handle it which has changed now.

There won’t be several million dead by the end of the year.

Meanwhile, the economy is on the verge of collapsing. A good dose of austerity might make people feel differently about Covid.

I think the government will try hold it back until 2021 if they can afford to.

I see you've chosen to ignore my other post filled with information completely disproving your belief that the vast majority of covid deaths worldwide are elderly people. If you're wrong about that actual reality of what's occurring right now and the current situation worldwide, why should we listen to any of your other predictions about how it will develop when it's most likely a load of unsubtanitated nonsense like everything else you've posted.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

I see you've chosen to ignore my other post filled with information completely disproving your belief that the vast majority of covid deaths worldwide are elderly people. If you're wrong about that actual reality of what's occurring right now and the current situation worldwide, why should we listen to any of your other predictions about how it will develop when it's most likely a load of unsubtanitated nonsense like everything else you've posted.

You said it will most likely kill several million people not considered elderly by the end of the year and that’s the reality.

You are wrong. That is NOT reality.

Just over 600000 dead globally 7 months later is the actual reality.

Seweryn

Deleted User wrote: »

Just over 600000 dead globally 7 months later is the actual reality.

... and the figure of 600k is well overclocked.

bb1234567

Deleted User wrote: »

You said it will most likely kill several million people not considered elderly by the end of the year and that’s the reality.

You are wrong. That is NOT reality.

Just over 600000 dead globally 7 months later is the actual reality.

So nothing to say about the links which disproved your belief that this mostly affects very elderly people?

And well, I may be wrong, or you may be wrong, nobody knows what will happen. Lot's of unexpected things have occurred during this pandemic, I was shocked that it killed any lagre number of people outside China, that is spread in the west, and lately that is has killed large numbers in the developing world. Sufficed to say we can't say with much confidence what will occur.

Although yes I would not be surprised if the death toll does turn out to be several million with the peak in India only expected to be as late as November, and the pandemic showing no signs of stopping in Latin America. My personal prediction is about 2.5- 3 million deaths globally by March, 12 months on after the pandemic began to spread worldwide.

bb1234567

Seweryn wrote: »

... and the figure of 600k is well overclocked.

In most countries, the COVID death toll falls far short of the excess death figure of recent months. Ireland is one of very few where COVID deaths appear to be overestimated.

CruelSummer

Some people including RTÉ and certain media organisations are doing their best to keep people scared, worried and all fired up about Covid....today’s little push notification about an outbreak on a building site from RTÉ...
How many of these cases are in need of hospital treatment or ICU?

I’ve been out and about over the last few days and I’ve a few interesting observations:
1. Very few people are handling or disposing their masks properly. If Covid was truly the deadly Ebola the media like to pretend, there would be carnage in our hospitals right now.
2. People queue and act responsibly outside a shop when necessary, however when inside it’s a different story...still minimal cases and deaths.
3. I met many people in the 60+ age bracket, they don’t seem to want to social distance at all except when they might be seen by the neighbours or associates in public.
4. Many people waiting for cancer screening and other tests considered urgent are being called at last...what will these results show and how can we justify what we’ve done for the last few months.
5. Why is Ireland not looking to get more people back to work, lessen the 2 metre distancing rules in restaurants to 1 and start living in reality.

In conclusion, in the words of Simon Harris, we need to ‘cop on’ to ourselves and start getting back to work, education and life. Protect those who are vulnerable as best we can. The EU and the ‘Frugal four’ will not cough up free money to us while we sit on our arses and they go back to work. Time for a reality check in cloud cuckoo land.

Any scientist that called our cases last week a ‘second wave’ should be held to account by any journalist worth their salt...We now know that a substantial number of cases last week were HISTORICAL. This fiddling of our daily cases and numbers is a joke. These media loving scaremongering scientists are not being held to account by anyone & can say + do what they like under the guise of their ‘expert’ title.

TaurenDruid

CruelSummer wrote: »

We now know that a substantial number of cases last week were HISTORICAL.

What's the source for this, please?

forumdedum

Please move this if not relevant in this thread (or if brought up elsewhere).

The subject is toilets. I read somewhere how it is very possible to catch Covid 19 from toilets. So for example I thought about going on a 'staycation'. However at some point on the journey I would need to use a public bathroom. I am not prepared to do this so will not travel.

I am also worried about using a bathroom in my workplace. And so on.

Anyone opinions on this?

CruelSummer

TaurenDruid wrote: »

What's the source for this, please?

It’s on the main thread, reported at the media briefing also. Ireland reported 270 cases last week is which only 211 occurred in that time frame. 59 cases were historical.

forumdedum

forumdedum wrote: »

Please move this if not relevant in this thread (or if brought up elsewhere).

The subject is toilets. I read somewhere how it is very possible to catch Covid 19 from toilets. So for example I thought about going on a 'staycation'. However at some point on the journey I would need to use a public bathroom. I am not prepared to do this so will not travel.

I am also worried about using a bathroom in my workplace. And so on.

Anyone opinions on this?

Disposable gloves (used properly) and hand sanitiser should sort you out, no?

The issue is touching surfaces and then touching your mouth, given there are a lot of high touch points in a public toilet, no the toilets themselves

Edit: my god, toilet is a really horrible sounding word

NIMAN

Does anyone know the age breakdown of our 1700 odd deaths?

I heard some stat the other day that I thought was interesting, something like 25 or something of the 1700 were under 68.

bb1234567

NIMAN wrote: »

Does anyone know the age breakdown of our 1700 odd deaths?

I heard some stat the other day that I thought was interesting, something like 25 or something of the 1700 were under 68.

Posted in the main thread yesterday, 8% of our deaths were under 65. 120 or so I think. About 7 or 8 were under 40 I think too

forumdedum

Deleted User wrote: »

Disposable gloves (used properly) and hand sanitiser should sort you out, no?

The issue is touching surfaces and then touching your mouth, given there are a lot of high touch points in a public toilet, no the toilets themselves

Edit: my god, toilet is a really horrible sounding word

My issue is based on an article I read a few days ago about how flushing the toilet can raise germs. It mentions wearing a mask and trying to stand well back etc.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/how-do-i-use-a-public-toilet-and-avoid-covid-19-1.4291025

Penfailed

forumdedum wrote: »

Please move this if not relevant in this thread (or if brought up elsewhere).

The subject is toilets. I read somewhere how it is very possible to catch Covid 19 from toilets. So for example I thought about going on a 'staycation'. However at some point on the journey I would need to use a public bathroom. I am not prepared to do this so will not travel.

I am also worried about using a bathroom in my workplace. And so on.

Anyone opinions on this?

Where did you read about it? It's the first I've heard about it and reminds me of the story that went about years ago where it was said that you could catch AIDS from the toilet...

Penfailed

forumdedum wrote: »

My issue is based on an article I read a few days ago about how flushing the toilet can raise germs. It mentions wearing a mask and trying to stand well back etc.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/how-do-i-use-a-public-toilet-and-avoid-covid-19-1.4291025

Wash your hands, you'll be grand.