Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

average_runner

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I'm expecting teachers to strike in September

ASTI have been setting out their stall

That would be a very big own goal

skelly22

Charles Babbage wrote: »

We did run behind other places by a couple of weeks. It may not have been "really bad" here, but it wasn't great. Our restrictions were not as harsh as a consequence, perhaps if they had been harsher they would have ended sooner.

Restrictions were far harsher in places like Spain where its citizens are far more used to fascist rule. My Spanish sister-in-law seems over the moon that she's allowed take her mask off while at the beach.

The government have actually created a very undesirable situation for themselves and the situation with the schools is going to be evidence of that. Some of the restrictions still in place today:

Phase 4 of the reopening is not able to go ahead until at least 10th August (Suspect it will be longer)
2 metres social distance to be maintained
Face coverings to be made mandatory in shops and on public transport

The government themselves are not comfortable to sit in the Dail.

Now they want the schools to reopen without following the health advise in place.
No social distancing at all for younger kids. 1M for the older kids. No masks mandatory etc.
The master plan seems to be take some furniture out of the rooms to make some space!!!
It is not unreasonable at all for parents, teachers and pupils to be very concerned about returning and been told to ignore health advise.


You can't have your cake and eat it. If its not safe to go into a shop and buy a choc ice without a face covering, how the f*ck can it be safe for a kid to sit in a classroom all day?

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't have your cake and eat it. If its not safe to go into a shop and buy a choc ice without a face covering, how the f*ck can it be safe for a kid to sit in a classroom all day?

It will be crunch-time when the schools reopen. The choice will be either to face-down the hysteria-brigade or flush children's education down the toilet.

The outcome will depend on what's likely to result in the least amount of blow-back for the Government - this has been the primary driver of the responses to the virus from the start.

Elmer Blooker

the corpo wrote: »

Outdoor transmission barely exists.

Yes but this is no ordinary virus. It seems to have the ability to infect those who attend outdoor Sinn Fein funerals, it also seems to infect those who climb a mountain called Croagh Patrick.
A few months ago during the long spell of fine weather it also infected those who travelled 2,001 meters to the seaside - no ordinary virus this!

fleet_admiral

Word this morning that pubs will be pushed back until after schools reopen.

PTH2009

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Word this morning that pubs will be pushed back until after schools reopen.

they should of just closed pubs indefinitely instead of have the Aug 10th date

Frustrating and no promise they will open in September. Cowards in the government, laughing stock of Europe

joeguevara

PTH2009 wrote: »

they should of just closed pubs indefinitely instead of have the Aug 10th date

Frustrating and no promise they will open in September. Cowards in the government, laughing stock of Europe

Who is laughing at Ireland in Europe?

Of course Ireland are a laughing stock. We are allowing flights in from America and it is pretty obvious that we are not even bothered to make a call to check that people are isolating. And some civil servants are getting paid a full salary to sit at home or work 2 day weeks.

It is pretty obvious that our "very good plan" for reopening schools is basically just to remove some furniture from rooms and not to bother too much with social distancing.

Probably the only country in the world to have pubs closed going into a 6th month now.

And we only have 10 people in hospital in the whole country.

ixoy

Deleted User wrote: »

And we only have 10 people in hospital in the whole country.

The fact we've only 10 people in hospital and a, per capita, very low rate of infection, no mandatory wearing of masks in outdoor settings or the like, means that I imagine there's a fair few countries that are quite envious!

Arghus

joeguevara wrote: »

Who is laughing at Ireland in Europe?

Absolutely nobody.

thelad95

PTH2009 wrote: »

they should of just closed pubs indefinitely instead of have the Aug 10th date

Frustrating and no promise they will open in September. Cowards in the government, laughing stock of Europe

We're far from the laughing stock of Europe, that honour probably goes to Spain at the moment as there cases spiral out of control all the while trying to attract more and more tourists because their economy is nearly entirely propped up on tourism.

Onesea

thelad95 wrote: »

We're far from the laughing stock of Europe, that honour probably goes to Spain at the moment as there cases spiral out of control all the while trying to attract more and more tourists because their economy is nearly entirely propped up on tourism.

Is the death rate spiraling out of control or is it just the case detections?
Mentioned earlier if it's not the old getting 5his virus the outcomes are vastly different as shown by all stats.

Charles Babbage

Santy2015 wrote: »

It won’t work, they’re on about giving schools prefabs to help split classrooms. I wouldn’t think that’s the best idea going into winter. You want to stop kids getting bugs/flu like illnesses then you just go back to normal, have sanitizer everywhere and they need to wash their hands before and after every class

Has everything in the last 4 months passed over your head? Washing their hands will certainly help with touch points on doors and objects but washing their hands will not itself stop infection if they do not maintain social distancing. There are many overcrowded classrooms in Ireland, something we have permitted for years and which is now going to bite us big time.

Onesea wrote: »

Is the death rate spiraling out of control or is it just the case detections?
Mentioned earlier if it's not the old getting 5his virus the outcomes are vastly different as shown by all stats.

You do not want it spiralling at all, as once it starts it gets out of control. Ireland has a steady rate, that should be the objective.
Do you expect 5 year olds to isolate themselves?

ChelseaRentBoy

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

Onesea

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

The past days have recorded deaths of 4,4,5 people. So by your information the death rate will massively increase in 14 days time right?

Onesea

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Has everything in the last 4 months passed over your head? Washing their hands will certainly help with touch points on doors and objects but washing their hands will not itself stop infection if they do not maintain social distancing. There are many overcrowded classrooms in Ireland, something we have permitted for years and which is now going to bite us big time.



You do not want it spiralling at all, as once it starts it gets out of control. Ireland has a steady rate, that should be the objective.
Do you expect 5 year olds to isolate themselves?

I have two children both back in kindergarten since April. One is 6 the other is 3.
Scandinavia for ya

paw patrol

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't have your cake and eat it. If its not safe to go into a shop and buy a choc ice without a face covering, how the f*ck can it be safe for a kid to sit in a classroom all day?

while I agree with the theme of your point about the discrepancy in rules and directives.
The school restrictions is a joke in that the kids are playing with each other at the moment and over in each others houses.
The kids should not be separated by screens or anything, the fear instilled in that carry on will be damaging to some kids.

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

while I agree with the theme of your point about the discrepancy in rules and directives.
The school restrictions is a joke in that the kids are playing with each other at the moment and over in each others houses.
The kids should not be separated by screens or anything, the fear instilled in that carry on will be damaging to some kids.

Sorry, I probably didn't explain myself well.

I want the kids to go back to school as normal without masks or screens etc.

And that should be in line with public health advise at this stage.

At this point, 1M social distancing should be the only restriction in place.
There is no reason to keep schools, pubs or any other business closed.
There is no reason to be wearing masks either.

It's the public health advise that should change.

FintanMcluskey

Professor of doom was back on newstalk earlier.

He reckon's stats are emerging that flu deaths are way down this year in many countries.

Because of masks seemingly.

Not to do with the reclassification of deaths of vulnerable patients to Covid death's of course.

paw patrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, I probably didn't explain myself well.

I want the kids to go back to school as normal without masks or screens etc.

And that should be in line with public health advise at this stage.

At this point, 1M social distancing should be the only restriction in place.
There is no reason to keep schools, pubs or any other business closed.
There is no reason to be wearing masks either.

It's the public health advise that should change.

tbh I kinda thought that was what you are saying.
I think we're on the same page given your previous posts

stephenjmcd

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

Issue appears to be in Antwerp where 47% of the cases in the last week have been reported.

Belgian government reducing the numbers allowed to gather together. Local restrictions also put in place regarding groups and increased contact tracing

FintanMcluskey

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

Seen that.

Proving the point that Covid is relatively harmless to those under 83.

The more the positive case increases the lower the CFR drops.

Its actually positive news.

Not that that's what you were posting that news for of course.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Professor of doom was back on newstalk earlier.

He reckon's stats are emerging that flu deaths are way down this year in many countries.

Because of masks seemingly.

Not to do with the reclassification of deaths of vulnerable patients to Covid death's of course.

Do you think it is at all possible the rate of flu infections may be reduced through the same measures used to prevent the spread of COVID? Or magically flu, a less infectious virus, is still spreading at its normal rate?

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Seen that.

Proving the point that Covid is relatively harmless to those under 83.

The more the positive case increases the lower the CFR drops.

Its actually positive news.

Not that that's what you were posting that news for of course.

Where do you get this harmless under 83 nonsense? Median age of death may the 83, which have of those who died are under 83, immediately disproving the point

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think it is at all possible the rate of flu infections may be reduced through the same measures used to prevent the spread of COVID? Or magically flu, a less infectious virus, is still spreading at its normal rate?

Or the vulnerable that would have died due to influenza have died of Covid instead?

Something's gona get ya one way or another

No need to lock up the healthy

skelly22

hmmm wrote: »

Rubbish, there's lots of ways to socially distance in schools. Alternate days, pods, smaller class sizes.

Again you're grasping at straws in your efforts to ruin this country.

One of the reasons we have held off on pubs (the "cowardice" as you say) is because we can only safely reopen schools when case numbers are low.

Absolutely zero need for social distancing in schools, as can be clearly evidenced by the fact that kids have been playing together for months now with zero social distancing and zero consequence. It's clear they couldn't catch the "virus" even if they tried.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Where do you get this harmless under 83 nonsense? Median age of death may the 83, which have of those who died are under 83, immediately disproving the point

I did say relatively harmless to those under 83.

The point I was making was its actually positive news to see a rise in case's in certain regions with no increase in death rate.

Proves its not as lethal as 1st thought by the celebrity doctor's and immunologist's, and treatment is improving considerably so hopefully the hysterical nonsence of "new normal" can fcuk off soon and normality will return

MickeyLeari

skelly22 wrote: »

Absolutely zero need for social distancing in schools, as can be clearly evidenced by the fact that kids have been playing together for months now with zero social distancing and zero consequence. It's clear they couldn't catch the "virus" even if they tried.

Have you seen the way all those leaving very students keep 2 metres distance from each other while out and about? The exams would have been on this week - shows how correct the Govt were.

Penfailed

skelly22 wrote: »

Absolutely zero need for social distancing in schools, as can be clearly evidenced by the fact that kids have been playing together for months now with zero social distancing and zero consequence. It's clear they couldn't catch the "virus" even if they tried.

Why have you put the word 'virus' in quotation marks? Are you one of those that doesn't think it's real?

As a side note, July provision has been going on in the local school with zero social distancing between the kids, between kids and teachers or even between teachers. I don't really see any reason why schools shouldn't open in September.