Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I said if this goes on forever. Which at the moment seems to be the unspoken reality since there's no end game after Phase Four, which still requires social distancing. You're intentionally painting a strawman here. If this is temporary, it's bearable. If there's no light at the end of the tunnel, then for many people it becomes considerably less so. And right now, with all this talk of "the new normal" and other related bollocks, there is no such light at the end of the tunnel. The implication throughout the media is that social distancing is at least "quasi permanent". What has living in a rural village vs a big town got to do with anything? Those living in rural villages can still entertain guests and meet other people in their local village without being unable to hug or shake hands with them, and having to sit 2m apart when having a drink or a meal. That is unnatural, and many, many people simply can't hack it long term.

If you book a table for six with three couples, they are all sitting at one table a lot closer than 2m apart. You can currently have 10 people in your home from 4 different households...

dalyboy

Even a prison sentence comes with a time frame. Not the “new normal” though. It’s like a life sentence.

AdamD

fr336 wrote: »

Yes it does. People were isolating themselves before all this. Working all the hours god sent, glued to their phones...now the government are the ones isolating them, it's an issue. I'm exaggerating a little, but not much. As a social animal we have regressed in the past decade.

There's a vast difference between people isolating themselves by choice and being forced to.You're exaggerating massively if you think somebody on their phone in a restaurant is even remotely comparable to enforced social distancing.

lukas8888

fr336 wrote: »

Going to a restaurant and having people on their phones half the time when they have a living breathing person in front of them is soul destroying. Oh yeah this is what "normal" was like just a few months ago. I think people are already romantising how amazing this normal thing was. Maybe people will change when things are "normal" again, but I doubt it.

Could it have anything to do with the person opposite you not finding you remotely interesting.

fr336

lukas8888 wrote: »

Could it have anything to do with the person opposite you not finding you remotely interesting.

Ooh well done! Such a nice person. I've seen families sat together and all on their phones. How very social and normal.

Reported btw. i) Off topic ii) Attacking poster and not post

I think people have completely missed the point here. Some posters have stated or hinted that the restrictions could last forever.

That would mean:

No travel - (Or at the very least frowned upon travel)
No Clubs
No Pubs
No entertainment industry - Comedy, Concerts etc
No Sports such as GAA
No sex - social distancing
Wearing masks every time we enter a shop

Of course, it is not even feasible as the economy would just completely collapse.

But just to entertain the thought, life would not be worth living if we kept these restrictions in place permanently.

If we can tolerate hunger killing a couple of million a year, we can tolerate people dying of or more likely with Covid.

lukas8888

fr336 wrote: »

Ooh well done! Such a nice person. I've seen families sat together and all on their phones. How very social and normal.

Reported btw.

Oh my ,wonder how you would react when you have something serious to report.

fr336

lukas8888 wrote: »

Oh my ,wonder how you would react when you have something serious to report.

More off topic so I'll be ignoring from now on. I'm pretty sure many fragile posters used to report me for bursting their egos so I will report the smallest thing just like they did, the rules are there for everyone's benefit

fr336

Deleted User wrote: »

I think people have completely missed the point here. Some posters have stated or hinted that the restrictions could last forever.

Only people I've ever seen remotely entertaining this insane idea is the anti restrictions crowd. I'm very pro restriction to control the virus and reduce economic impact but I'll be right there with you if things are still this severe after Christmas, I have no time for a new normal and will not be happy if we are even still wearing masks in 2021. The problem is there needs to be creative solutions not just hope for the best and let people young and old die or go through hell in a hospital for months.

bb1234567

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think people have completely missed the point here. Some posters have stated or hinted that the restrictions could last forever.

That would mean:

No travel - (Or at the very least frowned upon travel)
No Clubs
No Pubs
No entertainment industry - Comedy, Concerts etc
No Sports such as GAA
No sex - social distancing
Wearing masks every time we enter a shop

Of course, it is not even feasible as the economy would just completely collapse.

But just to entertain the thought, life would not be worth living if we kept these restrictions in place permanently.

If we can tolerate hunger killing a couple of million a year, we can tolerate people dying of or more likely with Covid.

youd seriously be offing yourself if this was forever? Jaysus hope for your sake this is being said for dramatic effect, could safely say you're in the minority with that opinion but maybe the majority on this thread although I'll give you that

Herb Powell

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yes I realise and it's why I addressed the posters point which specifically referenced 'crowds' and their essential presence for good mental health. Intimate human connection is essential to good health but crowds are not, can't wait until we can join in crowds again but to say that a person can't be mentally content without them is highest bull

It's not bull. There's a reason those things exist and a reason so many people dedicate their lives and careers to them. This is gone for the foreseeable future. It may not be the case for most people, but there's a sizeable number for whom this is really really difficult.

hmmm

fr336 wrote: »

It's been 4 months.

The same group bleating about the past 4 months are probably also the first in line to call younger people "snowflakes". It's almost embarrassing listening to them talking about how badly they are being affected. None of us are enjoying this, not all of us are crying about it online.

dalyboy

fr336 wrote: »

Only people I've ever seen remotely entertaining this insane idea is the anti restrictions crowd. I'm very pro restriction to control the virus and reduce economic impact but I'll be right there with you if things are still this severe after Christmas, I have no time for a new normal and will not be happy if we are even still wearing masks in 2021. The problem is there needs to be creative solutions not just hope for the best and let people young and old die or go through hell in a hospital for months.

Christmas? It’ll be one crap Christmas if we are in the same sh1t as we are in now. Smiling with our eyes is getting distasteful.

fr336

dalyboy wrote: »

Christmas? It’ll be one crap Christmas if we are in the same sh1t as we are in now. Smiling with our eyes is getting distasteful.

Can't disagree. Though you only have to wear masks on public transport and in shops, hardly social destinations. Boris Johnson was saying masks may still be in the UK in July 2021, a grim prediction.

bb1234567

Herb Powell wrote: »

It's not bull. There's a reason those things exist and a reason so many people dedicate their lives and careers to them. This is gone for the foreseeable future. It may not be the case for most people, but there's a sizeable number for whom this is really really difficult.

Those things exist because they are enjoyable. Many things we enjoy can easily be lived without. As I said I look forward to when crowds can gather again but to say people can't be perfectly happy without ready access to large crowds is quite frankly stupid

A few months ago these kinds of posts were relatable but the last few pages of posts like this come across like moany children , posters saying they'd rather die than go on like this , Jesus wept. Go to the beach or park or the many open cafes and restaurants and see for yourself everyone enjoying life except you and get over yourself. It also won't last forever or even after Christmas so can we drop this inane hypothetical

hmmm

dalyboy wrote: »

Christmas? It’ll be one crap Christmas if we are in the same sh1t as we are in now. Smiling with our eyes is getting distasteful.

It'll be a lot worse Christmas if Grandma dies, or the cousin on chemo ends up spending it in ICU. Wear a mask and stop being such a baby.

The earliest this ends is when we get a vaccine, and when most people take it.

completedit

Not everyone has ideal circumstances. I am trying to get on with my life. My girlfriend is long distance. At a certain time a me féin attitude takes over. Life is good but because of this madness something I hold very dear might end up ending. That's a sad toll of all this. The human side. The dreams and memories lost while we continue with this. The problem is there are negative consequences on both sides. But the immediate health issue takes precedence. What's the quote from the big short about for every one per cent increase in unemployment, deaths rise by 40.000.

stephenjmcd

fr336 wrote: »

Lots of things we do normally aren't really normal. For instance, commuters packed in like sardines on trains and buses.

What on earth has that got to do with the post ? The new normal of social distancing etc isn't exactly normal so not sure what your trying to get at.

Soon as theres a vaccine this 'new normal' will disappear and packed public transport as you describe it will return, simply because there isn't an alternative. Try commuting in Dublin pre March, nightmare most of the time, yes more people will work from home but public transport will still as ever be over stretched.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

youd seriously be offing yourself if this was forever? Jaysus hope for your sake this is being said for dramatic effect, could safely say you're in the minority with that opinion but maybe the majority on this thread although I'll give you that

I didn't say I would off myself. Plenty of things are not worth doing but still get done for one reason or another.

I really don't think I am in the minority.
Remove almost all forms of socializing from society and people will be unhappy.

It is all hypothetical though because it won't happen.

average_runner

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say I would off myself. Plenty of things are not worth doing but still get done for one reason or another.

I really don't think I am in the minority.
Remove almost all forms of socializing from society and people will be unhappy.

It is all hypothetical though because it won't happen.

What forms of socializing are currently missing?

stephenjmcd

average_runner wrote: »

What forms of socializing are currently missing?

Sporting events, concerts, festivals etc you know the things people like to go and socialise at especially during the summer.

My own social life would have been heavily influenced by football & gaa matches so I'm missing that outlet an awful lot. None of them can be attended at the moment and for the foreseeable future.

AdamD

Clubs, Bars, Festivals, Gigs and Sporting events are pretty big losses for a lot of people in their 20s.

s1ippy

bb1234567 wrote: »

Those things exist because they are enjoyable. Many things we enjoy can easily be lived without. As I said I look forward to when crowds can gather again but to say people can't be perfectly happy without ready access to large crowds is quite frankly stupid

A few months ago these kinds of posts were relatable but the last few pages of posts like this come across like moany children , posters saying they'd rather die than go on like this , Jesus wept. Go to the beach or park or the many open cafes and restaurants and see for yourself everyone enjoying life except you and get over yourself. It also won't last forever or even after Christmas so can we drop this inane hypothetical

You really are a nasty piece of work.

average_runner

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sporting events, concerts, festivals etc you know the things people like to go and socialise at especially during the summer.

My own social life would have been heavily influenced by football & gaa matches so I'm missing that outlet an awful lot. None of them can be attended at the moment and for the foreseeable future.

GAA is planning to have people to attend in Oct when championship starts.


Some of my group met up weekly in one of their houses for the footie. They enjoyed it loads, bbq etc. Could be a outlet for you there ?


Where I live, we usually have drinks in the back garden or all go to one of the campsites and socialise there.

fr336

fr336 wrote: »

Only people I've ever seen remotely entertaining this insane idea is the anti restrictions crowd. I'm very pro restriction to control the virus and reduce economic impact but I'll be right there with you if things are still this severe after Christmas, I have no time for a new normal and will not be happy if we are even still wearing masks in 2021. The problem is there needs to be creative solutions not just hope for the best and let people young and old die or go through hell in a hospital for months.

I actually agree with most of this. I don't mind restrictions if they eventually go away.

Were I tend to differ a bit is that I think we have scope to take some more risks now. We only have 5 in ICU and something like 12 in hospital.

I feel we could take some chances and we'd easily notice if hospital numbers were increasing.

Penfailed

s1ippy wrote: »

You really are a nasty piece of work.

That's a bit of an overreaction...no?

stephenjmcd

average_runner wrote: »

GAA is planning to have people to attend in Oct when championship starts.


Some of my group met up weekly in one of their houses for the footie. They enjoyed it loads, bbq etc. Could be a outlet for you there ?


Where I live, we usually have drinks in the back garden or all go to one of the campsites and socialise there.

Well sure as per government guidelines we can't all meet up in houses, that numbers been reduced down and any encounters are to be brief.

Each to their own but I'd much rather be at matches and concerts rather than watching streams or going socilising in a campsite. The matches are only part of the day, its the bumping into people you've not seen in ages, the atmosphere etc, the social aspect is completely gone until we're allowed back into events.

We'll see how many are allowed into games in October and it doesn't look like it'll be many at the moment.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

I feel we could take some chances and we'd easily notice if hospital numbers were increasing.

By the time we see hospital numbers increasing it would be too late. The virus spreads exponentially.

Typically it is one week between infection and symptoms, another week before you might end up in hospital, another week for ICU. If 5-10% require hospitalisation, that's 5 to 10% of the number who were infected 2 weeks previously. It would have been spreading unnoticed for those two weeks - you could be looking at widespread lockdowns to try and recover from that.

We can better predict the virus by the positivity rate in testing, the numbers testing positive, and the sources of spread that contact tracers are finding (number of contacts etc.) There must have been enough in the leading data around two weeks ago to make NPHET very nervous, because they seem to have let out a sigh of relief this week.

Other countries have lost control because they reacted too slowly - Israel is one. There are possibly going to be some European countries on this list soon.

stephenjmcd

AdamD wrote: »

Clubs, Bars, Festivals, Gigs and Sporting events are pretty big losses for a lot of people in their 20s.

Yup but sure we'll be called snowflakes etc anyway. When I'm sure the people saying it did the exact same in their 20s.

I'd have easily attended at least 1 sporting event a week and probably 2 or 3 festivals over the summer, so at the moment there's very little social outlets available which mentally is proving difficult. Not going to go around to other peoples houses because that's exactly what we're being asked not to do.

PTH2009

for sanity Phase 4 needs to go ahead on the 10th Aug. Getting beyond a joke now

Numbers will be high today like every mid week the last month or so