Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

AdamD

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks. I've noticed that too.

I'm a bit confused if this goes against the advice, as it seems so prevalent.

It goes against the advice but the advice goes against human nature. Social distancing to the extreme it was upheld in March and April was never going to last long term in my opinion.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it just me or is it getting an awful lot quieter out there lately?

I went to woodies at 6pm this evening. Car park was empty, no queue, about 7 customers in the store. It was very bizarre. Place is open until 9pm.

Was in a popular shopping centre on Saturday afternoon and it was very calm as well.

Stayed in a hotel just outside Dublin last weekend and it was dead. Myself and my wife and two other couples were the only people down for the early bird dinner.

I think people are getting a bit sick of it all. I went to a restaurant the other day. I was ordered to use sanitizer as soon as I walked in. Once I did that, they took my temperature...

I think it is very worrying. Possibly the weather contributing as well.

Holiday season

hmmm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Yes. The point of my post is that having to stay two metres away from all other humans is soul destroying and unsustainable for an indefinite period.

Until we have a vaccine, this is what we need to do to keep each other safe. People throughout history have had periods where they have had to suffer, many to a much greater degree than this. It'll end when we have good treatments and vaccines, both of which are currently on track for delivery by next year.

hmmm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Question for you all... If/when you call to other people's home, do you keep 2 metres from them?

I've been calling to my family home, and they are not adhering to the 2 metres. I didn't mention it because it seemed awkward.

The virus doesn't know you are family or strangers, it'll transfer to whoever it can find. You can't police what others do, you can only protect yourself and your family.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it just me or is it getting an awful lot quieter out there lately?

I went to woodies at 6pm this evening. Car park was empty, no queue, about 7 customers in the store. It was very bizarre. Place is open until 9pm.

Was in a popular shopping centre on Saturday afternoon and it was very calm as well.

Stayed in a hotel just outside Dublin last weekend and it was dead. Myself and my wife and two other couples were the only people down for the early bird dinner.

I think people are getting a bit sick of it all. I went to a restaurant the other day. I was ordered to use sanitizer as soon as I walked in. Once I did that, they took my temperature...

I think it is very worrying. Possibly the weather contributing as well.

You are worried about what? Using sanitizer/being responsible?

hmmm

pjohnson wrote: »

You are worried about what? Using sanitizer/being responsible?

I don't think you understand. People are fed up with this. Fed up. The government need to do something, because people are fed up. Just completely fed up. The government need to legislate tomorrow to end this pandemic. Just tell the virus to go away, we're fed up with it.

At least I think that's what their argument is. It's either that or the argument is we drop all attempts to control the spread of the virus and accept the huge suffering which will follow. Because they're fed up having to use hand sanitiser in a restaurant.

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

You are worried about what? Using sanitizer/being responsible?

Thousands of people losing jobs and businesses closing.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

Thousands of people losing jobs and businesses closing.

How busy do you think a restaurant which makes no attempt at protecting their customer's health will be?

Would you have confidence that a restaurant which makes no effort on the front of house is following health guidelines in the kitchens?

Will their staff be happy to turn up for work? Would you be happy if your son or daughter was on the waiting staff?

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

How busy do you think a restaurant which makes no attempt at protecting their customer's health will be?

Would you have confidence that a restaurant which makes no effort on the front of house is following health guidelines in the kitchens?

Will their staff be happy to turn up for work? Would you be happy if your son or daughter was on the waiting staff?

We have 5 in ICU in the entire country. I wouldn’t be too worried about Covid.

No need for even half of this nonsense.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

We have 5 in ICU in the entire country. I wouldn’t be too worried about Covid.

No need for even half of this nonsense.

Why do you think we have only 5 in ICU? What would be happening if many of the people in this thread had their way?

You're willing to risk another widespread outbreak, lockdowns, hundreds in ICU because you don't want to be asked to use hand sanitiser?

Dickie10

look we all know this thing is a deadly killer , BUT to those over 75 and thise with underlying conditions. to the rest the chances of death espically those under 45 and no health isssues are very very slim, no more chance than of hepititas c or HIV back in the day, much bigger chance unfortunatly of various forms of cancer. you see the death rate is very low but were getting into 40s and 50s /day cases. surely this is normal and to be expected? remember the two mantras back in march, COCOONING and FLATTEN THE CURVE, why do we not hear these anymore? its because the government and NYPHET have become addicted to the power and now are using it in a police state way for their own agendas. ICUs are not overran and wont be.

hmmm

Dickie10 wrote: »

remember the two mantras back in march, COCOONING and FLATTEN THE CURVE, why do we not hear these anymore?

We don't hear them anymore because the sacrifices that 90% of the population took reduced the total number of cases to very low figures, and continue to keep the figures suppressed.

Did you contribute to this? If you did, well done & keep it up, if not then you can't be part of claiming the success.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

Why do you think we have only 5 in ICU? What would be happening if many of the people in this thread had their way?

You're willing to risk another widespread outbreak, lockdowns, hundreds in ICU because you don't want to be asked to use hand sanitiser?

The numbers have dropped since the curve was flattened in early May.

No amount of lifting restrictions has changed things.

We need to open up to save jobs and business and start living with the virus. Not because of sanitizer.... bizarre you’d think that...

If we can’t live with the virus with 5 in ICU, god help us if the vaccines don’t work out.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

We need to open up to save jobs and business and start living with the virus. Not because of sanitizer.... bizarre you’d think that...

"Living with the virus" does not mean letting it run free. How many businesses do you think will survive if people are terrified to leave their homes as case numbers begin to rise?

Just use the hand sanitiser. Stop being so precious.

gmisk

Dickie10 wrote: »

look we all know this thing is a deadly killer , BUT to those over 75 and thise with underlying conditions. to the rest the chances of death espically those under 45 and no health isssues are very very slim, no more chance than of hepititas c or HIV back in the day, much bigger chance unfortunatly of various forms of cancer. you see the death rate is very low but were getting into 40s and 50s /day cases. surely this is normal and to be expected? remember the two mantras back in march, COCOONING and FLATTEN THE CURVE, why do we not hear these anymore? its because the government and NYPHET have become addicted to the power and now are using it in a police state way for their own agendas. ICUs are not overran and wont be.

It's NPHET. Your comparison with HIV and Hep C makes very little sense, covid-19 is easily spread etc.
The government in Ireland have done imo a good job, the numbers bare that out. But we haven't hit flu season etc. The possibility of the numbers shooting up again is real it has happened in other countries. Look at what's happening in places like Texas....where they are literally having to ditch people from ICU beds.

The police state thing is a nonsense, bar possibly the thing at airports with PUP payments which seems like a misstep but they have been strongly called out on it by opposition so I would expect it to stop.

Dickie10

Dickie10 wrote: »

look we all know this thing is a deadly killer , BUT to those over 75 and thise with underlying conditions. to the rest the chances of death espically those under 45 and no health isssues are very very slim, no more chance than of hepititas c or HIV back in the day, much bigger chance unfortunatly of various forms of cancer. you see the death rate is very low but were getting into 40s and 50s /day cases. surely this is normal and to be expected? remember the two mantras back in march, COCOONING and FLATTEN THE CURVE, why do we not hear these anymore? its because the government and NYPHET have become addicted to the power and now are using it in a police state way for their own agendas. ICUs are not overran and wont be.

What is the agenda and why? Any reasoned thought or just more “police state “ “power hungry nphet” bollocks?

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

"Living with the virus" does not mean letting it run free. How many businesses do you think will survive if people are terrified to leave their homes as case numbers begin to rise?

Just use the hand sanitiser. Stop being so precious.

Living with the virus does mean at some point you have to accept that some people might get sick and hospitalised.

Especially when only 5 are in ICU.

Precious lol!!! From a person terrified to get back to normality because there is an illness out there.

gmisk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The numbers have dropped since the curve was flattened in early May.

No amount of lifting restrictions has changed things.

We need to open up to save jobs and business and start living with the virus. Not because of sanitizer.... bizarre you’d think that...

If we can’t live with the virus with 5 in ICU, god help us if the vaccines don’t work out.

What exactly do you want to open up that hasn't been already? Pubs? They will be soon enough.
What else?

Are you saying places that are open shouldn't have hand sanitizer, try to space people out?

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No need for even half of this nonsense.

Which half is nonsense and what are the parts you would keep?

gmisk

gmisk wrote: »

What exactly do you want to open up that hasn't been already? Pubs? They will be soon enough.
What else?

Are you saying places that are open shouldn't have hand sanitizer, try to space people out?

Everything should be open by now bar big events like concerts, sports etc.

Social distancing reduced to 1M.

We are not making any effort to live with the virus. Just surviving and praying someone else will give us a vaccine and money.

gmisk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Everything should be open by now bar big events like concerts, sports etc.

Social distancing reduced to 1M.

We are not making any effort to live with the virus. Just surviving and praying someone else will give us a vaccine and money.

What is shut that you think should be open at the minute (except bars)?
Simple enough question.
Cinemas, gyms, museums are allowed to open.
You do know a lot of places aren't spacing tables out by 2m on restaurants also e.g. sprezzatura (1m). Cinemas are the same they aren't putting 2m between seats.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

Which half is nonsense and what are the parts you would keep?

I’d keep 1M social distancing and put proper controls in place at the airport such as banning US.

Everything else is nonsense. 9 euro of food doesn’t make one bar safe and another not safe.
Kids in third class are not magically different than 5th class.

Wearing a mask in a shop for 2 mins now makes no sense when it wasn’t needed at all in April during the peak. We flattened the curve without masks. And it’s remained that way without masks.

gmisk

gmisk wrote: »

What is shut that you think should be open at the minute (except bars)?
Simple enough question.
Cinemas, gyms, museums are allowed to open.
You do know a lot of places aren't spacing tables out by 2m on restaurants also e.g. sprezzatura (1m). Cinemas are the same they aren't putting 2m between seats.

I went the zoo the other day. Huge parts of it are closed off.

Can’t believe I paid full price.

gmisk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I went the zoo the other day. Huge parts of it are closed off.

Can’t believe I paid full price.

The zoo....ffs talk about first world problems.
Maybe you should have a look on their website before going all restrictions listed on it clearly

gmisk

gmisk wrote: »

The zoo....ffs talk about first world problems.
Maybe you should have a look on their website before going all restrictions listed on it clearly

Also pubs, clubs and almost all of the entertainment industry. But you are aware of that.

thelad95

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wearing a mask in a shop for 2 mins now makes no sense when it wasn’t needed at all in April during the peak. We flattened the curve without masks. And it’s remained that way without masks.

Wearing a mask does make more sense now. People are back socialising, back in work, back with a wider group of close contacts.

In April, when we were queuing up for an hour to get into SuperValu, people weren't going anywhere and the only close contacts they had were those they lived with.

Masks are a pro-active long term measure to living alongside the virus. Even if there's only a 60% uptake (roughly what I see day to day), this could mean that 60% of asymptomatic cases wear masks and don't spread a virus they don't even have a clue that they have. This can only be a good thing.

What exactly is your issue with it? If you don't feel comfortable doing it for whatever reason, then don't, every shop seems to either not be bothered policing it or too scared of pissing off a customer, so it's unlikely you'll be called out on it. The rest of us who want to be responsible and protect others will get on with it while you fulfil your pointless anti-mask agenda.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’d keep 1M social distancing and put proper controls in place at the airport such as banning US.

Everything else is nonsense. 9 euro of food doesn’t make one bar safe and another not safe.
Kids in third class are not magically different than 5th class.

Wearing a mask in a shop for 2 mins now makes no sense when it wasn’t needed at all in April during the peak. We flattened the curve without masks. And it’s remained that way without masks.

One metre social distancing is not social distancing. You know this and by saying reduce social distancing to one metre, what you really mean is, do away with social distancing. Agree about the US.

The nine euro thing is only a distraction. There's a massive difference between a pub and a restaurant control wise. Schools haven't started back yet so I'm not sure what your point is there.

Regarding masks...if you ease one restriction, you have to tighten another. It's a fine balance.

dundalkfc10

Always knew there would be a benefit to living in the border. Popped 10 mins up the road with the auld fella for a few Pints, the simple things

gmisk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Also pubs, clubs and almost all of the entertainment industry. But you are aware of that.

As I said pubs will be open soon enough.
So now you think clubs should be open? Good luck with 1m in that environment

John O.Groats

gmisk wrote: »

As I said pubs will be open soon enough.
So now you think clubs should be open? Good luck with 1m in that environment

To suggest that the clubs should be open is complete and utter lunacy and anyone who is in favour of doing so should not be taken seriously.