22,698 people recovered in Ireland so far. But how many of them are 100% ok after?

Graces7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Why then, 6 months on, are previously fit and healthy and under 50 years old people still in bits with it?

I was 27 when I caught flu and it went on to M.E/Chronic Fatigue and that was literally 50 years ago. And I was very fit and very healthy.

Pablo Escobar

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Anyone ever have a cough, flu or chest infection that lasted longer than 2 weeks?

I had a nasty cough that lasted 6 weeks.

But sure seems covid 19 is rammed down our necks everyday, why not start another thread to try scare us all.

The lingering cough is apparently an after effect in some people.

I've posted here numerous times on my suspected case. But I haven't really mentioned the people I live with. I developed breathing difficulties and still have lung issues 7 months on. While my partner and son had coughs that went on for about 6 to 8 weeks. But are seemingly fine now.

This was too early in the cycle of this to have raised red flags at the time so I have no proof at this time unfortunately.

ShineOn7

Deleted User wrote: »

A friend in his early 40's got it near the beginning. Got over it fairly quickly with mild enough symptoms. Now he loses his breath if he talks for too long. Forget about exercising. Latest statistics say a person in their 30's has a 1% chance of developing long term effects.

Is your friend's GP hopeful they'll eventually recover?

ShineOn7

s1ippy wrote: »

Virgin Media had a segment about this today

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1303376313126989824?s=20

re: the young ish guy in this vid who said he needed a hand to just go to the toilet. Why would that be with a virus?

As in, it affected his hands with fatigue so much that he couldn't manage the toilet himself?

JasonStatham

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Anyone ever have a cough, flu or chest infection that lasted longer than 2 weeks?

I had a nasty cough that lasted 6 weeks.

But sure seems covid 19 is rammed down our necks everyday, why not start another thread to try scare us all.

One winter my dad spent the whole time coughing. He got over it eventually but he was in a right state coughing most of the time. This was ages ago though.

Graces7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

re: the young ish guy in this vid who said he needed a hand to just go to the toilet. Why would that be with a virus?



As in, it affected his hands with fatigue so much that he couldn't manage the toilet himself?

That happens with many with and after a virus. It is systemic. The physical exhaustion is extreme.

Flippyfloppy

Graces7 wrote: »

That happens with many with and after a virus. It is systemic. The physical exhaustion is extreme.

Severe with it being 6 months after

Peregrinus

ShineOn7 wrote: »

re: the young ish guy in this vid who said he needed a hand to just go to the toilet. Why would that be with a virus?

As in, it affected his hands with fatigue so much that he couldn't manage the toilet himself?

Well, not necessarily. When he says he "needs a hand", he may not mean hand as in five fingers; just hand as in help, assistance.

He may have post-viral fatigue to such an extent as to be unsteady on his feet or unable to climb stairs without assistance. Or he may have respiration so compromised as to find even the exertion of getting up and going as far as the toiled something that he needs help with.

Until you've had a severe viral infection, particularly a respiratory one, or someone you live with has, you won't really grasp what it can be like afterwards. It can be pretty horrible.

stevek93

I think I have posted here before,

I got sick in late Feb early March the doctor suspected COVID. I am not going mention all symptoms as there was a lot but major one was bad cough struggling to breath at times like an asthma attack but I am not asthmatic nor did I ever have these episode in my life, sweating so much at night turning the bed into a swimming pool basically and my chest felt like someone had steam rolled it. My other half didn't have respiratory symptoms but was vomiting and sweating at night.

After I "recovered" I had a awful pain in the right of my chest, my father was COVID positive recovered and is also complaining about pain in the right side of the chest.

A bit of good news and hope I suppose for anyone who has post symptoms and wondering will they ever go away well the pain in the chest appears to be going away finally! hooray! But I noticed if I have a few nights bad sleep it comes back strangely but nowhere near as bad as it was a few months ago.

ShineOn7

Not exactly how I wanted to start a new week



https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1310476835956850688?s=20


(Note to self: please cut back on reading Covid news)

ShineOn7

The guy who was at the government briefing earlier

We're not really seeing cases this severe stemming from the most recent months are we?

These crazy, severe cases in the healthy seemed to be far more prevalent in March/April. Or maybe that's just some self denial on my behalf

'I was told I would be in the induced coma for a few days, but I actually woke up two months later'

https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-experience-induced-coma-covid19-5216973-Sep2020/

A HEALTHCARE WORKER who was diagnosed with Covid-19 and spent two months in an induced coma has described the “frightening impact” and “long-lasting effects” of the disease on him.
Jerick Martin gave an account of the 68 days he spent in ICU, the majority of that time in an induced coma, after he contracted Covid-19. He was speaking at a public health briefing alongside Acting CMO Dr Ronan Glynn this evening.

Martin said he was speaking publicly of his ordeal in fear that members of the public did not recognise the risk the virus poses to all members of society, not just the vulnerable and the elderly.

“I was a fit and healthy man in my thirties, working and enjoying my life with my wife and my daughter,” he said.

“Within five days of experiencing my first symptoms I was admitted to hospital, where I spent 68 days in intensive care, most of that time on a ventilator, in an induced coma.

bb1234567

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The guy who was at the government briefing earlier

We're not really seeing cases this severe stemming from the most recent months are we?

These crazy, severe cases in the healthy seemed to be far more prevalent in March/April. Or maybe that's just some self denial on my behalf

https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-experience-induced-coma-covid19-5216973-Sep2020/

It was rare then and is still rare, it was just not as publicised today as then during the hysteria of earlier months. CDC published a statement last week saying that 20% of COVID deaths in the US have been under 65, this figure remains relatively unchanged from the percentage back in the summer time. Meaning about 40,000 people under 65 have died of COVID, that is tens of thousands more than back during spring and summer when global fear was at a fever ptich and yet population compliance with restrictions is declining in much of the US. The only thing that changed is that people realised the risk to those under 65 is was previously over exaggerted , and so care and proceeding media coverage diminished

ShineOn7

A Prof. Anthony Staines (who? ) said on Matt Copper on Today FM earlier that "between 10 and 30% of cases still have symptoms of Covid 3 months or more after getting it"

Erm, that's a very wide ranging stat to come out with (10-30%) and doesn't tell us feck all really

There was an equally shrieking female "expert" on with him saying things like "we are seeing healthy under 40s die from this in Ireland". This something we're already very knowledgeable has happened, why is she saying it on national radio?

I'm well aware that "recovered" doesn't mean recovered all the time with Covid, that's why I started this discussion. But we equally need better data than nonsense like "between 10 and 30%"


What age were they?



Had they any underlying conditions?

That's what I get for listening to Cooper for the first time in a couple of months after vowing not to tune in any more

Cooper, Ivan Yates when he was on Newstalk and ALL of RTE's output on Covid has been a fúcking disgrace for months now and has played a big part in the state of this country's health with Covid

In the UK all you need to really do is avoid the Daily Mail and Sky News. In Ireland the Doom Porn is endemic in the media and they need to stop

ShineOn7

Apologies for a link from the appalling RTE

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1001/1168767-covid-19-dublin-teenager/

Teenage Covid-19 survivor: "I have to learn to walk again"

A Dublin teenager has told of his harrowing battle with Covid-19 and is urging other young people to take the disease seriously.


Jack Edge, 17, from Rathfarnham, had no underlying health conditions when he contracted the virus in April.


Five months on and three hospital admissions later, the Leaving Cert student is still suffering from the "destruction" the virus wreaked on his body.


Jack first displayed symptoms of Covid-19 on 15 April and five days later was admitted to Tallaght University Hospital. Within hours of being hospitalised, he was fighting for his life.

tom1ie

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Apologies for a link from the appalling RTE

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1001/1168767-covid-19-dublin-teenager/

Teenage Covid-19 survivor: "I have to learn to walk again"

How did it effect him so bad and not the 17 year old next to him?
Is it blood type?
Is it genes?
Is it the amount of virus he got in a short space of time?
Was it to do with his diet compared to other 17 year old males?
Has to be something.

Away With The Fairies

tom1ie wrote: »

How did it effect him so bad and not the 17 year old next to him?
Is it blood type?
Is it genes?
Is it the amount of virus he got in a short space of time?
Was it to do with his diet compared to other 17 year old males?
Has to be something.

Your questions got me thinking. I know viral load is something to do with it. And I don't know if enough people know but opening windows is probably one of the most important things to do now. Something we probably weren't doing early on in the pandemic. If someone in a house is asymptomatic and is just breathing and you're there in the same room as them completely unaware of what they are breathing out and you're taking it all in for a few days before you get sick. Wouldn't you get a very bad dose like that?

ShineOn7

Story one:

An Anthony Staines (who? ) on Today FM a couple of weeks back saying:

"About 10 - 30% of those getting Covid are showing signs of Long Covid three months after getting it"

Two things here really: 1) It sounds like a silly high number at the 30% range. And 2) Why such the broad range of 10% - 30%? Do we call that down the middle and say 20% (a fifth) are fúcked with this many months after being listed as "Recovered"?

Story two

Are RTE actively hunting down and seeking out stories like this to fit in with their non stop Gloom Porn?

A hospital doctor, who contracted coronavirus earlier this year, said she experienced a six-month illness - not a two-week sickness.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1001/1168695-covid19-recovery/

I believe Long Covid is definitely a thing, that's why I started the thread, but we need better and much more solid data on the % who now actually have it

Otherwise it's just more fodder for the media

NIMAN

Interestingly, and related to this thread, I watched highlights of the Liverpool game in the news there, and the comment was made "Sadio Mane scored after his recovery from Covid".

Are we saying the likes of a supremely fit professional footballer is likely to suffer long term symptoms? I would seriously doubt it.

ShineOn7

NIMAN wrote: »

Are we saying the likes of a supremely fit professional footballer is likely to suffer long term symptoms? I would seriously doubt it.

Wasn't there a young, Brazilian player who played at national level really bad with it in April?

Peregrinus

NIMAN wrote: »

Interestingly, and related to this thread, I watched highlights of the Liverpool game in the news there, and the comment was made "Sadio Mane scored after his recovery from Covid".

Are we saying the likes of a supremely fit professional footballer is likely to suffer long term symptoms? I would seriously doubt it.

I don't know about "likely"; it seems that only a minority of Covid sufferers experience signficant long-term symptoms.

But being "supremely fit" is neither here nor there. There's no reason to thing that supreme fitness insulates you against the possiblity of long-term consequences, any more than it protects you from the short-term consequences of the infection. It's perfectly possible to be very fit, and also become very ill.

gozunda

Peregrinus wrote: »

I don't know about "likely"; it seems that only a minority of Covid sufferers experience signficant long-term symptoms.

But being "supremely fit" is neither here nor there. There's no reason to thing that supreme fitness insulates you against the possiblity of long-term consequences, any more than it protects you from the short-term consequences of the infection. It's perfectly possible to be very fit, and also become very ill.

I think this is a case in point ...

A fitness "influencer" who thought COVID-19 did not exist has died from the virus at the age of 33.

https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

Peregrinus

Being fit may improve your prospects of not suffering long-term consequences, since fitness is generally associated with a healthy immune system, and a healthy immune system means you are generally better at resisting/overcoming infection.

But I stress "may". At the moment it's reasonable to hope that a fitter person is less likely to suffer long-term consequences of Covid infection, but SFAIK there isn't enough epidemiological information yet to know whether this hope is well-founded.

And, even if it is, it's just a matter of odds. At best, fitness is going to be associated with a lower risk of long term consequences, not a zero risk. You could be very fit, and still draw the short straw.

iguana

Peregrinus wrote: »

But being "supremely fit" is neither here nor there. There's no reason to thing that supreme fitness insulates you against the possiblity of long-term consequences, any more than it protects you from the short-term consequences of the infection. It's perfectly possible to be very fit, and also become very ill.

I'm not a world class athlete and I'm early 40s but I am exceptionally fit with genuinely excellent endurance. I was fitter in early March. I put my "long Covid" mostly down to me being an idiot about that. I was sick for nearly 3 weeks, with breathing difficulties from the most basic activities, meaning I mostly stayed in bed. By the time I recovered I was itching to get back to normal even though I strongly suspected I shouldn't. I was sensible for a couple of days, then I went totally back to normal on day 4 and my 'long Covid,' actually a range of post-viral inflammatory conditions, started that night. I think if I'd been less fit and not anxious to rebuild my stamina I'd have avoided months of problems.

iguana

gozunda wrote: »

I think this is a case in point ...

A fitness "influencer" who thought COVID-19 did not exist has died from the virus at the age of 33.

https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

I think Nick Cordero would be a similar case. As a Broadway dancer he would have been athletically fit. And that poor man had an awful last few months.

arccosh

a friends father seems to be effected with long covid..

he was pretty bad in March/April and did 3 or 4 weeks in ICU, was on a ventilator for almost 2 weeks...

he was saying some days he's fine, then others, he has flashbacks from the hospital, being intubated etc... can feel very lethargic, but the weirdest one was, he said some days he has had to refer to a type of inception reference (you know the spindal that Di Caprio has in the film),because he could be sitting in a room with everyone, but he can't tell if it's a dream or reality, so he has to go and check his reference for him to figure out...

a relation was also effected in Wales, worked in the NHS as a nurse and also spent a few weeks in ICU.... they haven't returned to work yet after almost 5 months being released from hospital..

demographic was, male, mid 60's with heart stenth fitted..... other was female mid 50's no previous health conditions

Wibbs

gozunda wrote: »

I think this is a case in point ...

A fitness "influencer" who thought COVID-19 did not exist has died from the virus at the age of 33.

https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

Sad case at such a young age and leaving three children behind. Though call me uncharitable, but his physique doesn't look within an asses roar of naturally attained and that could be the underlying condition going on. Steroid use has shown negative effects in the cardiovascular system.

arccosh wrote: »

a friends father seems to be effected with long covid..

he was pretty bad in March/April and did 3 or 4 weeks in ICU, was on a ventilator for almost 2 weeks...

he was saying some days he's fine, then others, he has flashbacks from the hospital, being intubated etc... can feel very lethargic, but the weirdest one was, he said some days he has had to refer to a type of inception reference (you know the spindal that Di Caprio has in the film),because he could be sitting in a room with everyone, but he can't tell if it's a dream or reality, so he has to go and check his reference for him to figure out...

a relation was also effected in Wales, worked in the NHS as a nurse and also spent a few weeks in ICU.... they haven't returned to work yet after almost 5 months being released from hospital..

demographic was, male, mid 60's with heart stenth fitted..... other was female mid 50's no previous health conditions

Has anybody looked at the records for people who been intubated and on a ventilator for a week or more pre covid? I'd suspect at least some of this long covid syndrome might actually be post ventilation syndrome. A lad I know is a doctor in the US and months ago we were chatting over the phone and his angle was that if you were to take a perfectly healthy 25 year old athlete with no illness and anaesthetise and intubate and ventilate(and all the other stuff required) them for two weeks they'd be rightly buggered afterwards and for a good while after too.

amadangomor

Was a suspected case back in March/April.

Had sore throat for day or two, then a cough, then breathing difficulties/tight chest. Whatever it was has left me with asthma. Severe breathlessness took six weeks to go away. Still have bouts of when asthma is bad and then ok for a few weeks.

Test was cancelled at time as I didn't have a temperature.
Was tempted to shell out for antibody test but was broke after being out of work for 6 weeks.

arccosh

Wibbs wrote: »

Sad case at such a young age and leaving three children behind. Though call me uncharitable, but his physique doesn't look within an asses roar of naturally attained and that could be the underlying condition going on. Steroid use has shown negative effects in the cardiovascular system.

Has anybody looked at the records for people who been intubated and on a ventilator for a week or more pre covid? I'd suspect at least some of this long covid syndrome might actually be post ventilation syndrome. A lad I know is a doctor in the US and months ago we were chatting over the phone and his angle was that if you were to take a perfectly healthy 25 year old athlete with no illness and anaesthetise and intubate and ventilate(and all the other stuff required) them for two weeks they'd be rightly buggered afterwards and for a good while after too.

good point about post ventilation syndrome....


similar to your first point, there was a bodybuilder in the UK who has been advocating mask wearing after he got struck down with it. early 40's, no previous medical conditions. He was saying he was saying the effect being anesthetised has huge effect on your body, he went in very fit and came out a few weeks later after losing considerable muscle mass... I know the steroid brigade will jump on this, but being put under and not using your body makes it waste away fairly fast.

Flippyfloppy

Another thing about being fit, a lot of previously young and fit long covid sufferers are suffering various forms of inflammation, which can be caused by the individuals own immune system overreacting to self tissue, and this is where the damage is done. This can happen to anyone.

ShineOn7

The last few posts have filled me with anxiety I must say and i wonder how many of them go back to March/April when the hodpitals knew so little about this



"Recovered" is definitely not recovered



But we need better data then a Twitter randomer on national radio saying "between 10 and 30% are still fcuked with this after 3 months of getting it"