22,698 people recovered in Ireland so far. But how many of them are 100% ok after?

Flippyfloppy

This is extremely sad. The narrative about it being only dangerous for old or vulnerable people needs to change.

https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

ShineOn7

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

This is extremely sad. The narrative about it being only dangerous for old or vulnerable people needs to change.

https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

It's been looked into by others on here on a different thread and they've said, based on his pics, he was a heavy steroid user

That can't be verified yet I don't think. But if he was a big steroid user then his heart was fcuked even without Covid

funnydoggy

Some good news.

Some Signs of Recovery From Severe Covid Lung Damage

In two early studies, researchers said some patients showed signs of healing just weeks after leaving the hospital.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/health/Covid-lung-damage-recovery.html

NIMAN

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

This is extremely sad. The narrative about it being only dangerous for old or vulnerable people needs to change.

https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

The vast vast majority of younger folk recover fine from it.

One example of a young lad dying from it doesn't make it suddenly become dangerous for everyone.

The stats prove you wrong.

bb1234567

NIMAN wrote: »

The vast vast majority of younger folk recover fine from it.

One example of a young lad dying from it doesn't make it suddenly become dangerous for everyone.

The stats prove you wrong.

Exactly, even if he doesn't have a health condition it doesn't make it any less rare for people his age to die of covid. Young people aren't invincible, some young people die everyday from diseases they are unlikely to die from or are not the demographic usually affected by the disease, chance, bad luck , genetics. It doesn't mean the at risk of demographic has changed however

28 deaths in Singapore out of 50k cases because all their cases were young migrant workers. Remember that stat not a cherry picked sky news story

And in an Irish context what was it 5 healthcare workers died out of 8000 cases. Again showing how unlethal it is in the working age able bodied cohort

ShineOn7

bb1234567 wrote: »

And in an Irish context what was it 5 healthcare workers died out of 8000 cases. Again showing how unlethal it is in the working age able bodied cohort

And how many Irish healthcare workers are still in bits months after getting it and are still unable to return to work?

You best believe it's more than 5 people of 8,000 (IFR - 0.6%)

longgonesilver

I think it is 8 healthcare workers dead now.

Fifty nurses a week getting sick.

ShineOn7

The king of analyzing Covid data here with a video on Long Covid

I'm listening to it here and so far he says:

1 in 50 people have Long Covid (definition: Covid symptoms for 3 months or more)


At 2% that's a damn sight lower than the "between 10 and 30%" said by that gobshíte Anthony Staines a few weeks back on Today FM


I'm just 5 mins into this so far, but I think John will clear up some of the hysteria about it lately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN8y_VV6a7w

katiek102010

I have a persistent cough. I have had antibody test.
My friend has reduced lung capicity.

When will we get better who knows

ShineOn7

katiek102010 wrote: »

I have a persistent cough. I have had antibody test.
My friend has reduced lung capicity.

When will we get better who knows

Sorry to hear Katie

Are you both under 50 with no underlying symptoms? Chances are very good you'll return to 100% eventually if so

ShineOn7

Stats here that wildly go against John Campbell's analysis of the stats

An Infectious Diseases Consultant at St Vincent's Hospital has warned that about half of the patients who attended his outpatient clinic this morning are coming in with symptoms of post Covid-19 or long Covid-19.

Speaking on RTÉ's Today With Claire Byrne, Professor Paddy Mallon said the vast majority of these people were never hospitalised with their initial infection, but have never fully recovered.

He said these are people in their early 20s to early 50s who "are productive, usually working full time, many of them are very fit and very active".

Prof Mallon added: "A lot of them are really struggling to fully recover and to return to baseline activities and their baseline work and that is a real concern from the point of view of how we live with this virus".

speckle

read some mention of genetics here... some research out there saying potentially a linkage with chromosome 3 types and severe covid. Think it was Twiv tv on the tube possibly the neandarthal episode. Incase anyone interested.

ArthurDayne

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Stats here that wildly go against John Campbell's analysis of the stats

I think here we can point out how weak the media has been on probing the health experts.Young people are warned of the danger of Long Covid but NPHET continues to advocate that schools remain open.

So I find it odd that no journalist poses this question:

Is Long Covid a serious threat for young healthy people and, if so, which of the following statements is true?: (1) you are keeping schools open because you don’t care if children are exposed to this supposedly serious threat to their long term health; (2) you are just saying that to scare young people into compliance

Unfortunately, I have yet to see any journalist challenge the warnings on Long Covid with this level of robustness.

Peregrinus

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Stats here that wildly go against John Campbell's analysis of the stats

That doesn't go "wildly against Campbell's analysis".

What he says is that about half of the people attending his infectious diseases clinic are presenting with post-Covid/long Covid symptoms. Since we don't know how many people attend his clinic, or what the ratio between the number of people at his clinic and the number of people infected with Covid-19 is, we can't say whether this aligns with or contradicts Campbell's analysis.

All this tells us is that [at least some] people with long Covid symptoms seek treatment, which is what you would expect. People who've had Covid but don't have long Covid symptoms don't turn up in this guy's clinic, so he doesn't see them or count them. What can we infer about the relative numbers in the two groups? Nothing at all.

ShineOn7

More stats on this

I'll take John Campbell's analysis over Sky News though

Coronavirus: Seven in 10 hospital patients suffer from long COVID for weeks after discharge

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-seven-in-10-hospital-patients-suffer-from-long-covid-for-weeks-after-discharge-12129645

paw patrol

ShineOn7 wrote: »

More stats on this

I'll take John Campbell's analysis over Sky News though

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-seven-in-10-hospital-patients-suffer-from-long-covid-for-weeks-after-discharge-12129645

this virus in ireland and Uk is only 8 months old, you have no idea if those after effects are long term yet

Also if you are sick in a bad way from any illness it can take months to feel right.
That article refers to hospitalised cases - a small minority of positives who were worse affected and it's fair to say probably have other conditions hence the reason they are in hospital with covid.

this isn't anything unusual or unexpected.


and as per your link

It said that not all participants were willing to take part in the review or attend for investigations which potentially introduced selection bias.

it's a not accurate.

Thats me

paw patrol wrote: »

That article refers to hospitalised cases - a small minority of positives

The "small minority" is currently = 7.21%. As for me it not too small.

ShineOn7

New update from John Campbell



He still has it at 5% of all cases

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ8u3G73p-I

Water John

Here's an art by an infectious disease control expert who's out of work because of Long Covid;
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/consultant-infectious-diseases-long-covid-not-mild-illness-seriously-debilitated-new-clinics

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

Exactly, even if he doesn't have a health condition it doesn't make it any less rare for people his age to die of covid. Young people aren't invincible, some young people die everyday from diseases they are unlikely to die from or are not the demographic usually affected by the disease, chance, bad luck , genetics. It doesn't mean the at risk of demographic has changed however

I know a previously perfectly healthy 10 year old boy who died of rare complications of a streptococcal infection. Doesn't mean every kid is at risk from dying from it.

seefin

ShineOn7 wrote: »

New update from John Campbell



He still has it at 5% of all cases

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ8u3G73p-I

1 in 20 chance of long covid? Had become more relaxed about getting it as reckoned odds of dying were miniscule. That video scares the bejaysus outta me, definitely don't want now

ShineOn7

seefin wrote: »

1 in 20 chance of long covid? Had become more relaxed about getting it as reckoned odds of dying were miniscule. That video scares the bejaysus outta me, definitely don't want now

This is what people aren't understanding enough about it. The IFR is very, very low, but the odds of getting Long Covid are around 10 times higher (0.5% versus 5%)

On the upside (I suppose) around 20% of all who get it are asymptomatic

What a very, very strange and fecked up virus

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

This is what people aren't understanding enough about it. The IFR is very, very low, but the odds of getting Long Covid are around 10 times higher (0.5% versus 5%)

On the upside (I suppose) around 20% of all who get it are asymptomatic

What a very, very strange and fecked up virus

Nothing to do with the virus, which just blindly seeks to enter cells and replicate. The varied effects are down to the immune response

plodder

Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms

Physically, most of these patients didn’t get very sick from Covid-19, reports indicate. The patients that Dr. Goueli treated experienced no respiratory problems, but they did have subtle neurological symptoms like hand tingling, vertigo, headaches or diminished smell. Then, two weeks to several months later, he said, they “develop this profound psychosis, which is really dangerous and scary to all of the people around them.”

Also striking is that most patients have been in their 30s, 40s and 50s. “It’s very rare for you to develop this type of psychosis in this age range,”

MadYaker

seefin wrote: »

1 in 20 chance of long covid? Had become more relaxed about getting it as reckoned odds of dying were miniscule. That video scares the bejaysus outta me, definitely don't want now

You should never really be "ok" with contracting a new virus that still isn't fully understood.

Friend of a friend had it, went to hospital. He's about 35-ish. He reckons it was like the flu, but twice as bad, with breathing difficulties thrown in (unsure if he ended up being ventilated or not, but i don't think so, as it was never specifically mentioned) for about a week. He reckons he lost his sense of taste from it, and still hasn't gotten it back (i think he was in hospital about 10 weeks before telling me his experience, roughly speaking).

seefin

MadYaker wrote: »

You should never really be "ok" with contracting a new virus that still isn't fully understood.

When say now relaxed, I meant mentally. Apart from walking and food shopping my partner and i have literally done no socialising indoors or had any close contact that wasn't strictly essential since last March. We're both slightly higher risk category . I was aware of long covid but not aware of the scale of it. There should be alot more publicity about these stark figures rather than just focus on mortality

morebabies

The more I've heard about this the more it sounds like a ticking time bomb. At the moment governments are trying to navigate their health systems under pressure with emergency cases but this condition with all its unknowns sounds frightening. Also emphasises the need to move away from the idea of it as primarily a respiratory virus and more a dangerous infectious disease.


https://news.sky.com/story/the-ongoing-battle-of-long-covid-what-its-like-living-with-debilitating-after-effects-for-nearly-a-year-12214233


"Surveys of people with long COVID suggested it was more common in women than men and affected younger people more, according to Dr Maxwell.

Long COVID also appeared to be unrelated to how seriously ill patients were when they first contracted the virus, she said.

"You're not necessarily going to have long COVID if you were ventilated than if you were on the ward," Dr Maxwell said."

JP Liz V1

plodder wrote: »

Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms

I have hand tremors shakes and bad back pain