Best Career : Employment rate and Pay

AndrewJRenko

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm looking at on a phone, but where does it say they are public sector? There are those in healthcare referenced for example but they could be private sector. It doest state that these employees have paid into a pension scheme, but are not getting one.

Look at the 'public administration and defence' category.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Look at the 'public administration and defence' category.

While Ireland is diffetent defence doesn't necessarily automatically mean public. Still, does it state that these paid into a pension but never got it. Regardless its irrelevant. Practically a strawman. Further its pointless to the OP. Very few if any PS entry jobs don't come with a pension, and he's hardly going to be looking for one.

addaword

Brian201888 wrote: »

****ing hell Renko, another thread derailed with this nonsense. Take it somewhere else you bore.

Renko should be banned for derailing threads. All he seems to do all day everyday is whinge why is his highly paid public sector job not even more cushy than it already is.

AndrewJRenko

dreamers75 wrote: »

Board member of a chariity.

I'd have thought that the fact that you won't be getting paid might be a bit of a problem.

CBear1993

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'd have thought that the fact that you won't be getting paid might be a bit of a problem.

You obviously aren’t very up to date on the current scandals in numerous charities around the globe, you don’t even have to look any further than Ireland.

It mightn’t be on the books but there are a lot of anonymous envelopes in hand let’s say

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'd have thought that the fact that you won't be getting paid might be a bit of a problem.

You are about to get a rude awakening.
97% of your donation doesn't get to the end user.
They are taxfree.
There are many expenses with a charity (advertising, Business After Hours (wining and dining), publicity, lawyers, Asset Management and Finance). Many use charities to start political careers. They can be used for absolving the severity of crimes ie celebrities doing charity work or donations, I am looking at you Jeffery Epstein and Joshua Allen.

They recieve massive funding from the Government and are always whinging they dont receive enough. I think some of them invest in morally questionable things like Oxfam in BAE https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2016/08/23/oxfam-slams-uk-governments-involvement-yemen-war-complicit/.

If you hire the right accountants you can make it look like the charity is barely breaking even. Most charities dont help people out, they keep them where they are and make people dependant on them.

If you are looking for moral redemption a charity isnt the place to look.

CBear1993

Fear not SkooterBlue, the Renkmeister will somehow deflect this all back to public sector jobs and how this wouldn’t happen in his sector.

skooterblue2

CBear1993 wrote: »

You obviously aren’t very up to date on the current scandals in numerous charities around the globe, you don’t even have to look any further than Ireland.

I have no ideas where to start on this post. Oxfam investing in BAE? Oxfam as a travel agency for men with an unusually high sex drive? The salaries of Irish charities CEO's? I am not got to start Angela Kerins for Rehab industries and how that finished in a Dail sub-committee hearing, non disclosures and golden parachutes for everyone.
Then Gerry Ryan girlfriend who was running UNHRC office in Dublin for a bargain price of 250k a year, she claimed because of all the celebs she atrracted she could have asked for 500k.

This is nothing like the church selling indulgences in the middle ages. I have never seen castles in the sky built so high on BS.

The word "charity" means love, now it means love of money.

AndrewJRenko

CBear1993 wrote: »

You obviously aren’t very up to date on the current scandals in numerous charities around the globe, you don’t even have to look any further than Ireland.

It mightn’t be on the books but there are a lot of anonymous envelopes in hand let’s say

Can you point to any specific examples of board members (not executives, board members) of Irish charities taking anonymous envelopes (whatever they are) please?

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Can you point to any specific examples of board members (not executives, board members) of Irish charities taking anonymous envelopes (whatever they are) please?

Anywhere you have politicians mixing with lobbyists and government contracts moving, add alcohol and dubious destinations and accountants and lawyers all in the same room..... you know something shady is going on.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Anywhere you have politicians mixing with lobbyists and government contracts moving, add alcohol and dubious destinations and accountants and lawyers all in the same room..... you know something shady is going on.

You might have missed where I asked for 'specific examples'.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You might have missed where I asked for 'specific examples'.

You dont need specific examples. Common sense and a little time out in the real world should tell you different. I suppose you think everyone at the Fianna Fail tent at the Galway Races are horse enthusiast?

If you really want an example you should look at donations that went wrong. Just connect the dots. Remember that the Irish Government gave money to the new Rwandan Government to buy medicines? They spent it on much needed arments. You need to look at who oversaw the money transfer (probably a private Dublin based bank), who the arms were purchased from with dodgy end user certificates. Government contracts are great because you can bill the tax payers as much as you like.

Its not just charities its all government contracts, remember a few guards were dismissed for Garda Tyre contracts when they went to a business meeting at a golf resort in Spain? I think it is minor when you think it was only a tyre contract ...... think HSE, Dept of Education, Dept of Justice..... the list is endless

Treppen

Augeo wrote: »

Not many van drivers, retail workers, builders, trades folk get any of that to be fair.

A meal out and a few drinks at Christmas isn't exactly pocket lining.

What's free disability insurance?

If they got a higher level of education they get paid more.

van drivers, retail workers are low skilled workers. You just walk into the job and do that.

builders, trades folk can upskill and get further qualifications and... wow! Get paid more. A meal out and a few drinks at Christmas is all they can afford? You gotta be kidding. They could easily put in 100 euro a month into a prsa and claim the 40% or whatever back. I did it years ago in my early twenties and I wasn't earning a fortune.
Manys the tradesman I see heading into the bookies and pub after work any day of the week. Don't give me the béal night, when times are good they need to not piss away the money.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You dont need specific examples. Common sense and a little time out in the real world should tell you different. I suppose you think everyone at the Fianna Fail tent at the Galway Races are horse enthusiast?

If you really want an example you should look at donations that went wrong. Just connect the dots. Remember that the Irish Government gave money to the new Rwandan Government to buy medicines? They spent it on much needed arments. You need to look at who oversaw the money transfer (probably a private Dublin based bank), who the arms were purchased from with dodgy end user certificates. Government contracts are great because you can bill the tax payers as much as you like.

Its not just charities its all government contracts, remember a few guards were dismissed for Garda Tyre contracts when they went to a business meeting at a golf resort in Spain? I think it is minor when you think it was only a tyre contract ...... think HSE, Dept of Education, Dept of Justice..... the list is endless

So no specific issues with Irish charities then. That's what I thought.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So no specific issues with Irish charities then. That's what I thought.

Do you believe that business men, politicians, lobbyists all meet in the same room to benefit society? You believe lobbyists like Frank Dunlop are all about their Charity. Lobbyist in Ireland tend to be known within circles, not like in the states where they are out in the forefront unashamed of what they are doing, like Roger Stone.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Do you believe that business men, politicians, lobbyists all meet in the same room to benefit society? You believe lobbyists like Frank Dunlop are all about their Charity. Lobbyist in Ireland tend to be known within circles, not like in the states where they are out in the forefront unashamed of what they are doing, like Roger Stone.

This might be a good time to remind ourselves what thread we're on. The title of the thread is 'Best Career: Employment Rate and Pay'.

The post that I was responding to suggested that Board member at a charity was a candidate. I pointed out that charity board members don't get paid, so they are unlikely to do well on the 'best career: employment rate and pay' metric.

You seem to be determined to throw slurry at the entire charity sector. You can of course, throw whatever you like, but it seems that you've absolutely no facts about the Irish charity sector there. So it's just vague, broad allegations with no detail. And it's just a bit off-topic.

The Irish charity sector is far from perfect. There is way too much blurring of lines between charities and commercial organisations. Very large charities compete for government contracts for health services on one hand, and put their hands out to the public looking for donations on the other. We've allowed far, far to many vital and important services to be provided by charities.

Why do we have TV telethon fundraisers for vital services like mental health? Why not fund these services properly and have TV fundraisers for other parts of Government spending, like the Army wages bill, or the farmers grants bill, or Gaeltacht translation bill?

But as a 'best career', board member of a charity doesn't cut it.

AndrewJRenko

addaword wrote: »

Renko should be banned for derailing threads. All he seems to do all day everyday is whinge why is his highly paid public sector job not even more cushy than it already is.

It must be awful when facts get in the way of one of your rants.

CBear1993

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So no specific issues with Irish charities then. That's what I thought.

Pieta house. Look it up numpty

CBear1993

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It must be awful when facts get in the way of one of your rants.

You don’t have facts though, you just like the sound of your own fingers bashing the keyboard.

Back off to your other threads as you have nothing to offer here.

Why would I go and fish out specific examples for you to reject them anyway.
I’ve dealt with enough pigs to expect nothing from them but a grunt

AndrewJRenko

CBear1993 wrote: »

Pieta house. Look it up numpty

What issues are they, and have they anything to do with payments to board members - the topic of this thread?

Brian201888

Absolutely sweet **** all to do with the topic of this thread

skooterblue2

CBear1993 wrote: »

Pieta house.

Just the start of a long list. There was some lad in the ISPCC years ago creaming off the top of the change boxes. So sad there is so much corruption. Remember Rehab Lotteries that got paid to go away to make way for the National Lottery (franchised to a Sicilian family business interest at the time, now sold to pay for the children hospital). You cant make this crap up.

Dont forget "Console". Another sham charity by a guy with questionable credentials.

Most of the Vulture funds are registered as charities. 97% of apartment built last year were built by vulture funds.

"Charity" is a great business to be in. Dont forget the National Sweep stakes to build the hospitals? There is a business that sell merchandise to charities in dublin direct. Remember it was on the Apprentice. "Charities" are the modern indulgences of what the church sold in the middle ages. Will someone please point out the difference?

To Paraphrase a great movie, "We are in the Charity business and brother business is a boomin'!"

Treppen

Can we get back to the begrudgery against Guards and Teachers please?

skooterblue2

In fairness many wages are between 400 and 600 Euro a week by the time the taxman has been paid.
A bigger question is are you happy at what you work at?
What kind of perks or professional knowledge do you gain?

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Just the start of a long list. There was some lad in the ISPCC years ago creaming off the top of the change boxes. So sad there is so much corruption. Remember Rehab Lotteries that got paid to go away to make way for the National Lottery (franchised to a Sicilian family business interest at the time, now sold to pay for the children hospital). You cant make this crap up.

Dont forget "Console". Another sham charity by a guy with questionable credentials.

Most of the Vulture funds are registered as charities. 97% of apartment built last year were built by vulture funds.

"Charity" is a great business to be in. Dont forget the National Sweep stakes to build the hospitals? There is a business that sell merchandise to charities in dublin direct. Remember it was on the Apprentice. "Charities" are the modern indulgences of what the church sold in the middle ages. Will someone please point out the difference?

To Paraphrase a great movie, "We are in the Charity business and brother business is a boomin'!"

All fascinating stuff, if a little dated - but nothing to do with the choice of 'board member of a charity' as a possible 'best career' given that charity board members cannot be paid by law.

FFVII

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

All fascinating stuff, if a little dated - but nothing to do with the choice of 'board member of a charity' as a possible 'best career' given that charity board members cannot be paid by law.

OOOOOh MODDDDDDDD


Where is stheno gone


Ban hammer needs to smash this lads head in

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

All fascinating stuff, if a little dated - but nothing to do with the choice of 'board member of a charity' as a possible 'best career' given that charity board members cannot be paid by law.

My boy you are so naive in the ways of the world. You dont think these people donate their expertise and time for the good of their health? Expense account, directors Platinum Visa, training in resorts, annual conferences. Its usually an honorary appointment and consultancy work. The Shenanigans accountant cover up is unreal.

The world is going to own you my son.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

My boy you are so naive in the ways of the world. You dont think these people donate their expertise and time for the good of their health? Expense account, directors Platinum Visa, training in resorts, annual conferences. Its usually an honorary appointment and consultancy work. The Shenanigans accountant cover up is unreal.

The world is going to own you my son.

Well, yeah, in the charities that I've been directly involved in, people absolutely do donate their expertise and time, for no return, and usually for a whole pile of hassle too. Don't just the world by your standards.

Are you really that impressed with ' the annual conference'? I've done those conferences - usually fairly hard work, with a couple of days of presentations, and maybe a nice dinner with a glass of wine in the evening. It's not exactly coke n hookers stuff in my experience.

But again, if you know that this is going on, please give specifics. If you don't know, maybe you should just keep your imagination to yourself.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Well, yeah, in the charities that I've been directly involved in, people absolutely do donate their expertise and time, for no return, and usually for a whole pile of hassle too. Don't just the world by your standards.

Are you really that impressed with ' the annual conference'? I've done those conferences - usually fairly hard work, with a couple of days of presentations, and maybe a nice dinner with a glass of wine in the evening. It's not exactly coke n hookers stuff in my experience.

But again, if you know that this is going on, please give specifics. If you don't know, maybe you should just keep your imagination to yourself.

Who were you at the conference? I am talking about the executive and non executive (oh its a thing!!), how big was this charity you were working for? Have a look at all the fake charities going around. I am not saying there arent genuine one but ..... there are a load of dubious ones. The staff officers and privates never eat at the same table.

There are levels in society, there are doors you may not go through. You know why Angela Kerins at Rehab got off light? She could have ratted on what the others were at. Its the same thing at the Unions with massive strike funds with no accountability.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Who were you at the conference? I am talking about the executive and non executive (oh its a thing!!), how big was this charity you were working for? Have a look at all the fake charities going around. I am not saying there arent genuine one but ..... there are a load of dubious ones. The staff officers and privates never eat at the same table.

There are levels in society, there are doors you may not go through. You know why Angela Kerins at Rehab got off light? She could have ratted on what the others were at. Its the same thing at the Unions with massive strike funds with no accountability.

Which charities are fake charities?

CBear1993

Would be great if the mods could step in and extract this sh*tehawk from this thread

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Which charities are fake charities?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/vulture-funds-using-charities-to-avoid-paying-tax-says-donnelly-1.2722370#:~:text=Mr%20Donnelly%20said%20Mars%20Capital,Barnardos%20and%20Temple%20Street%20hospital.

Mars Capital are registered as a charity. I am sure there are others. Be great if you could respond to my previous thread? Purdy please? Let me guess, they had you running around photocopying and setting up seats and gave you a luncheon voucher? They gave you a clap on the back monday and big ole silver star on your copy book. I had my mother telling me about all the benefits of Jobsbridge, giving grat experience to young people.

There are a few charity shops donating to charity after "expenses". Once again creative accounting.

I love the term "charity" its so flexible. I mean you give a few Euros and you have almost the same get out clause as a MNC using Ireland as a tax haven.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/vulture-funds-using-charities-to-avoid-paying-tax-says-donnelly-1.2722370#:~:text=Mr%20Donnelly%20said%20Mars%20Capital,Barnardos%20and%20Temple%20Street%20hospital.

Mars Capital are registered as a charity. I am sure there are others. Be great if you could respond to my previous thread? Purdy please? Let me guess, they had you running around photocopying and setting up seats and gave you a luncheon voucher? They gave you a clap on the back monday and big ole silver star on your copy book. I had my mother telling me about all the benefits of Jobsbridge, giving grat experience to young people.

There are a few charity shops donating to charity after "expenses". Once again creative accounting.

I love the term "charity" its so flexible. I mean you give a few Euros and you have almost the same get out clause as a MNC using Ireland as a tax haven.

You're a few years out of date. Mars / Matheson haven't had charity status for quite some time.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/regulator-rejects-claim-matheson-charities-financial-services-ancillary-1.3064287?mode=amp

But if you do know about any fake charities, please let us know, and more importantly, please let the Charity Regulator know.

As regards the Annual Conference, I was a paid attendee, so no, there was no photocopying or luncheon vouchers involved. There was two days of presentations, a bit of networking, a 'function room' dinner in the hotel. Not exactly an exotic junket for anyone involved.

But again, if you know of any specifics of charities who are abusing these functions, please do share details and report them to the Charity Regulator.

Treppen

FFVII wrote: »

OOOOOh MODDDDDDDD


Where is stheno gone


Ban hammer needs to smash this lads head in

Who died and made you king?

Andrewrenko was just calling this guy's attempt to drag the thread off topic.

Now can we get back to the public service bashing pleeeeease

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You're a few years out of date. Mars / Matheson haven't had charity status for quite some time.

But again, if you know of any specifics of charities who are abusing these functions, please do share details and report them to the Charity Regulator.

You think money just vanishes?You think these people just give up? Money comes and resurfaces as something else. They reorganise the names of directors. They change the name of the company. Hey presto its new company with a charity function.

Is that yourself Adam Harris?

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You think money just vanishes?You think these people just give up? Money comes and resurfaces as something else. They reorganise the names of directors. They change the name of the company. Hey presto its new company with a charity function.

Is that yourself Adam Harris?

You tell me. You're the expert in all this apparently.

In this particular case, it seems that they distributed funds to charities and shut it down, probably as a result of the bad publicity.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/matheson-s-former-children-s-charity-distributes-2-4m-1.3303410

If you're aware of other fake charities, please spill.

Though in the context of the flawed suggestion above that 'board member of a chariity is the best career option, it doesn't really add much.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Time to unfollow this thread.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

In this particular case, it seems that they distributed funds to charities and shut it down, probably as a result of the bad publicity.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/matheson-s-former-children-s-charity-distributes-2-4m-1.3303410

If you're aware of other fake charities, please spill.

Though in the context of the flawed suggestion above that 'board member of a chariity is the best career option, it doesn't really add much.

Creative accountancy. Before you wind down, you have to sort out pensions. Pay compensation for closing contracts, get accountants and lawyers to wind down the company, disposal of assets...... and then what is left we give to charity.

You think accountants, lawyers and finance professionals with all that experience just go home and give up? They came up through tough professions and have hard noses. They are a different profession and have necks like a jockeys bollocks. They look at that at their next interview as I got away with it for that long with no penalty, imagine what I could do next time.

When was the last time you heard of someone being fired? Every day. When was the last time you heard of an accountant or lawyer being struck off? Once in a blue moon, only when they are involved in a major public scandal or offend a real institution like the bank or the tax man.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Creative accountancy. Before you wind down, you have to sort out pensions. Pay compensation for closing contracts, get accountants and lawyers to wind down the company, disposal of assets...... and then what is left we give to charity.

You think accountants, lawyers and finance professionals with all that experience just go home and give up? They came up through tough professions and have hard noses. They are a different profession and have necks like a jockeys bollocks. They look at that at their next interview as I got away with it for that long with no penalty, imagine what I could do next time.

When was the last time you heard of someone being fired? Every day. When was the last time you heard of an accountant or lawyer being struck off? Once in a blue moon, only when they are involved in a major public scandal or offend a real institution like the bank or the tax man.

So you don't know of any fake charities then. That's what I thought.

Iscreamkone

Back on thread

Traditional high points courses such as Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacy and Vet Med still attract high quality applicants, but do these courses lead to the really big bucks anymore?

FFVII

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Back on thread

Traditional high points courses such as Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacy and Vet Med still attract high quality applicants, but do these courses lead to the really big bucks anymore?

Andy said no way back near the beginning of thread so it must be a no

Iscreamkone

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Back on thread

Traditional high points courses such as Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacy and Vet Med still attract high quality applicants, but do these courses lead to the really big bucks anymore?

Medicine isn't what it used to be, it will/should make you six figures but it's bloody hard work and it definitely isn't for everyone. Then there's huge variation in the specialty you go into. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned dermatology, there's definitely crazy money in private practice but if it was easy everyone would do it.

Pharmacy is another, an experienced pharmacist can make 80-90k.

Top chief

Bradley Zealous Dewdrop wrote: »

Medicine isn't what it used to be, it will/should make you six figures but it's bloody hard work and it definitely isn't for everyone. Then there's huge variation in the specialty you go into. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned dermatology, there's definitely crazy money in private practice but if it was easy everyone would do it.

Pharmacy is another, an experienced pharmacist can make 80-90k.

Pharmacy is a good career isn't easy, alot to study around 5 years in college. Then to get up to 80 - 90k would probably take a good while . Over 33k payed In tax is the killer 4,724 take home pay a month .

Top chief

Top chief wrote: »

Pharmacy is a good career isn't easy, alot to study around 5 years in college. Then to get up to 80 - 90k would probably take a good while . Over 33k payed In tax is the killer 4,724 take home pay a month .

I didn't say it was easy. You can certainly be on 80-90k with about 10 years experience (maybe less?) so your early 30s if you do it in college as normal. The other thing is I generally don't think there are many perks i.e. pension contributions if you work for a smaller place anyway.

And tax is tax, not much you can do about it. Taking home nearly 5k a month isn't too shabby.

On 90k salaries there's plenty scope to fund your own pension & avail of the tax relief

Cal4567

Anything that is green and climate change related. In the short to medium term, there is going to be a retrofitting of houses industry over the course of the next 10-15 years. We are slowly moving to modular housing and I believe the level of modular against traditional construction will increase year on year and at some point in the next 20 years, could even be sooner, modular will out number traditional.

Top chief

Augeo wrote: »

On 90k salaries there's plenty scope to fund your own pension & avail of the tax relief

Would probably need to put 1k a month into your own penison for a decent one then paying a mortgage on top of that another 1k or more gone not left with much after that and still have to pay house Bill's, and run a car

Astro127

Taking home nearly 5k a month isn't too shabby.[/quote]


Not to shabby is right.
If your taking home 5k a month you are definitely doing well I would say 90% of people in Ireland are not taking home 5k a month . Can live a comfortable life .

addaword

Astro127 wrote: »

Taking home nearly 5k a month isn't too shabby.

Not to shabby is right.
If your taking home 5k a month you are definitely doing well I would say 90% of people in Ireland are not taking home 5k a month . Can live a comfortable life .[/QUOTE]

I would say 95% of people in Ireland if not more, are not taking home more than 5k a month. Nor should they be, given the size of the cake. The president of Spain only earns 72 thousand Per Year, before tax. As a country we give bigger salaries to people year in year out for doing much less, with less responsibility. We even give some people six figure pensions out of the public purse, no wonder taxes are so high.

Top chief

Top chief wrote: »

Would probably need to put 1k a month into your own penison for a decent one then paying a mortgage on top of that another 1k or more gone not left with much after that and still have to pay house Bill's, and run a car

1k/month into pension is 600/month less take home pay.
On 90k that shouldn't be a struggle at all.