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Direct Provision - Should it be ended?

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    #152
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    eleventh wrote: »
    Covid has been a test really. When people are dumb enough to accept rules of distancing from family & friends, lockdowns for no reason, mask-wearing, without question, they will accept anything from there on in.
    The weakening of the population has been a drip drip effect over past 2 or 3 decades especially. They'll now flood the country with Africans, give them greater standard of life and opportunity than the Irish poor. Most Irish people too weak to even question let alone stop it from happening.

    I honestly think the wheel of hysteria is to blame. People have been prepped in the last 5 years or so to be hysterical about everything. Trump is literally Hitler, Brexit will ruin the world, climate change will kill us all, and now the "deadly virus". You could look at it like an addiction. People have got so used to hysteria that no issue can be deal with as is, they all have to be greatly exaggerated; and if you dare dissent you're some sort of evil person, which really highlights the extremist mindset of the participants.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #153
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    "Own Door Accommodation" is clearly a euphemism for own apartment/house. But why the need for the euphemism?


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    #154
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,582 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The Greens know this will be popular with their voters who are mainly from wealthier urban areas and won't be the people competing for housing alongside the migrants.

    Folks who like to be seen as right on and welcoming while at the same time knowing full well the migrants will be housed in poorer areas.


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    #155
    suicide_circus
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    The Greens know this will be popular with their voters who are mainly from wealthier urban areas and won't be the people competing for housing alongside the migrants.

    Folks who like to be seen as right on and welcoming while at the same time knowing full well the migrants will be housed in poorer areas.

    It's a profoundly cheap kind of compassion.


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    #156
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    The Greens know this will be popular with their voters who are mainly from wealthier urban areas and won't be the people competing for housing alongside the migrants.

    Folks who like to be seen as right on and welcoming while at the same time knowing full well the migrants will be housed in poorer areas.

    And that group is usually the first ones to throw the working class under the bus when it suits.

    “It was probably irish scrotes did that gang rape”
    “The crime rates are high there because of the irish scumbags”
    “Id rather live next to a bunch of syrian migrants than our own scum”
    Etc...

    The denial cycle will keep going. But a tasty new kebab shop might open in town and their kids will be fine in donnybrook so its all brilliant.


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    #157
    biko
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    In Sweden, to many a example country, immigrants has rights that natives can only dream of.
    They go ahead of natives in housing lists, get free dental care.

    This is how you spilt a society into "us" and "them".


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    #158
    MontgomeryClift
    Registered Users Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭MontgomeryClift


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Most definitely, (The Legend) O' Gorman is spearheading this project. He gleefully tells his supporters that it will happen.
    When the Greens were in discussions after the election to form a government, they had 17 major points for discussion, with Direct Provision as their number one item on the list. I can not imagine that the people who put a check next to Green Party candidates were thinking that Direct Provision was going to be their main priority. These voters were probably thinking about the environment, sustainability, climate change etc.

    But now we have a situation where a party who only had 7% of the votes in the last election, changing the migration/asylum landscape in Ireland to such an extent that our country will the number one target for every asylum seeker chancer on the planet due to the entitlements that the Green Party are going to offer them.

    With the impending depression (not recession) that will be upon us in the coming year or so, and the fact that we are one of the most indebted countries in the world with massive debts to pay off, it is astounding that the Green Party is going to lead us into further debt in order to implement these Direct Provision changes. It is a ludicrous scenario.

    These developments reveal democracy for the sham that it is. None of this stuff could be said to be the will of the people. Someone is directing these changes, and it's not Irish voters.

    The larger party in government, however, is just using the smaller as a mudguard. This wouldn't be happening without the full support of Fianna Gael and Fianna Fáil, so don't be fooled. People like Roderic O'Gorman are being deployed to drive through these changes.

    And the Labour opposition wants to repeal the 27th amendment and take us back to anchor baby citizenship. So where are you going to turn?


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    323
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    biko wrote: »
    In Sweden, to many a example country, immigrants has rights that natives can only dream of.
    They go ahead of natives in housing lists, get free dental care.

    This is how you spilt a society into "us" and "them".


    Is the situation not the same here? If one questions it, will immediately labeled and discredited as "racist".


    Was amazed a week or so back Newstalk about a hotel in Abbeyleix becoming a permanent Direct Provision Centre and how the "Asylum Seekers" there are now part of the community.
    Ive no doubt many of not all are decent people, mentioned them being from Zambia, Nigeria, South Africa, Georgia, Albania, Lesotho, Togo, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Guatamala and El Salvador.
    Have spent extended periods working in over half of these countries, none are conflict zones, most of these listed are very nice.



    These folks are illegal immigrants being put up at huge taxpayers expense.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



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    #160
    cgcsb
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    If direct provision ended what would the owners of ****-hole hotels in rural, non-tourist areas do? Anyway I don't think it will happen if the government moved to hand over houses to new arrivals within 3 months while there's a 10 year housing waiting list for Irish there'd be a second revolution. Fruitcakes like gemma dogherty would have real power and support in such a scenario and every non Irish person would feel a backlash in some form. Have they considered what the legal process would be for deporting someone with a permanent residence here after their claim was denied/found to be fraudulent?


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    #161
    jrosen
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    In theory direct provision centers are ideal. Its cheaper and more efficient to house asylum seekers in one location. The problem is the system is too slow which means people are living in conditions that are less then ideal for long periods of time.

    DP isn't much different to many hostels that travelers around the world happily pay very little to stay in. They are a fantastic idea for short term but not suited to long term.
    It would make more sense to invest in the system and process. Some applicants spend years in a state of appeal, which i never understood. You either meet the criteria or you dont.


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    #162
    Mules
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    They'd cut the length of time spent in direct provision if they didn't allow multiple appeals


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    #163
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,582 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Mules wrote: »
    They'd cut the length of time spent in direct provision if they didn't allow multiple appeals


    Exactly, they can appeal multiple times to the highest court in the land free of charge to them but its the rest of us paying for it.

    A gravy train for the legal profession so of course they are happy out as well.

    Jeniffer Maguire had someone from DP on a few weeks ago but of course she would never bring this subject up, all the talk was about how racism against Africans was so common these days and how long the process was taking.

    Claire Byrne and Miriam O Callaghan would never mention it either.


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    #164
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Mules wrote: »
    They'd cut the length of time spent in direct provision if they didn't allow multiple appeals

    There should be a 90 day turnaround on it all, any doubts or delayed paperwork and you hit day 90 and it should be back on the plane to wherever youre from. We don’t need anyone that cant prove how theyre a positive economic benefit to ireland within 90 days


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    #165
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,582 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    There should be a 90 day turnaround on it all, any doubts or delayed paperwork and you hit day 90 and it should be back on the plane to wherever youre from. We don’t need anyone that cant prove how theyre a positive economic benefit to ireland within 90 days

    The chances of that happening with the Greens in power are slim, the woke brigade would have a fit if a proposal like that was brought to the table for discussion.


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    #166
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    The chances of that happening with the Greens in power are slim, the woke brigade would have a fit if a proposal like that was brought to the table for discussion.

    Thats it. That was the biggest mistake allowing them into power, we really need to tell ryan and friends to pipe down and let logic prevail over what sounds nice to twitter people


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