Gone with the Wind Cancelled

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Rodin wrote: »

There's no greater abuse in Hollywood than a non-native Irish actor trying to portray an "Irish" (whatever that is) accent.

When it happens the Irish sit back and laugh though. We don’t try and get the movie banned or removed because an American got to act as an Irish person.

Imagine that. Actors pretending to be something they’re not.

Shocking stuff.

na1

Google is blacklisting 'blacklist'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7226543/Googles-new-respectful-code-policy-politically-correct.html

The set of two documents, one of which is referred to as the 'respectful code' policy, obtained by Daily Caller show the internet search giant has directed employees to remove references to 'blacklist,' 'whitelist' and 'master/slave,' among other things, from the programming that makes its products operate.

What is next?
Banning the chess?

da_miser

Snoop dog does white face, its comedy

RAF officer does it at a stag party , its bigotry



Woke folk of boards , educate me, i see no difference, enlighten me , win we over to your view point with logic.

Overheal

Hunky Monster wrote: »

You found one bananas Organization after you did a little google search. Pathetic as usual.

Nobody who lives in the real world fave a fiddlers fück.

Well, I never saw Lucky Charms on an Irish shelf. Must have been some reason for that.

Overheal

Rodin wrote: »

There's no greater abuse in Hollywood than a non-native Irish actor trying to portray an "Irish" (whatever that is) accent.

It’s cringeworthy. My fiancé gets sadistic thrill in watching my cringe, because she doesn’t always spot how cringeworthy it actually is.

da_miser

Overheal wrote: »

Well, I never saw Lucky Charms on an Irish shelf. Must have been some reason for that.

They where around for a while, pure sugar, everyone tried them but not to Irish tastes.
There was no campaign to ban them , people bought once ,did not like them and they went away.

Rodin

da_miser wrote: »

Snoop dog does white face, its comedy

RAF officer does it at a stag party , its bigotry



Woke folk of boards , educate me, i see no difference, enlighten me , win we over to your view point with logic.

I shall educate you.
Racism is when a non-white person is discriminated against.

It is not possible in the modern world to be racist against whites.

Overheal

Hunky Monster wrote: »

When it happens the Irish sit back and laugh though. We don’t try and get the movie banned or removed because an American got to act as an Irish person.

Imagine that. Actors pretending to be something they’re not.

Shocking stuff.

That may be, but does that invalidate how other castes feel about their portrayals in media? Mickey Rooney was mentioned. Asians at large have denounced these depictions (and always have). whites aren’t upset enough by white chicks to call for it to be canceled etc. - what relevance is that to the prerogative of blacks to speak out against the way they are characterized in the culture?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Rodin wrote: »

There's no white in a Down flag, unlike the Nazi-stylised swastika.

No blue in a Cork flag either but here we are.

Rodin

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

No blue in a Cork flag either but here we are.

I don't recall a Nazi swastika at a Down match.
The confederate flag at a Cork game however....

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Rodin wrote: »

I don't recall a Nazi swastika at a Down match.
The confederate flag at a Cork game however....

Well, yes, that's my point.

vetinari

Anyone every complaining about snowflakes again should be shown the people in this thread.
People absolutely up in arms about a movie that is NOT cancelled.
It's genuinely baffling to me.

Quantum Erasure

vetinari wrote: »

Anyone every complaining about snowflakes again should be shown the people in this thread.
People absolutely up in arms about a movie that is NOT cancelled.
It's genuinely baffling to me.

as i said yesterday

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

A backlash is mounting against depictions of “good cops,” on television and in the street.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/arts/television/protests-fictional-cops.html

Attenborough video deleted amid racism claims
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/black-lives-matter-attenborough-video-deleted-amid-racism-claims-zdqs08dw3

more to come...

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Overheal wrote: »

Well, I never saw Lucky Charms on an Irish shelf. Must have been some reason for that.

They were around for a while but tasted like absolute gack so were phased out. There was no “banning” of lucky charms.

Get real now.

completedit

I saw a meme and it was something like "your daughter's love us" and all the woke liberal girls were like tagging their friends being like "not wrong" but this same thing perpetuates negative black stereotypes just in a different way

Rodin

Rodin wrote: »

I shall educate you.
Racism is when a non-white person is discriminated against.

It is not possible in the modern world to be racist against whites.

Nothing will ever be resolved while stupid thinking like that exists.

Huntergonzo

I've never actually watched Gone With The Wind, nor had I any interest in doing so, but I'm going to watch it now just to see what all the fuss is about.....thanks offended people :-)

Galwayguy35

More rubbish, shelving a film that was made 81 years ago about the civil war just to keep SJWs happy.

It was about the south during the civil war so of course blacks were going to be slaves in it.

da_miser

vetinari wrote: »

Anyone every complaining about snowflakes again should be shown the people in this thread.
People absolutely up in arms about a movie that is NOT cancelled.
It's genuinely baffling to me.

Im deeply offended by the movie, why do my feeling not matter?
Are we playing favourites , my white feeling don't count, i'm expected to just shrug my shoulders and suck it up and get on with living my life, but if i was black i would not have to put up with this racist movie being freely available.
Black folk are free to be happy go lucky in life, and you see this everywhere, black folk living their best life , free from offence, while my white ass is offended by this White Chicks movie.
Double standards approved by the woke left.

Snickers Man

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

This thread is the perfect example of how boards now mostly consists of old farts complaining about largely imaginary problems.

If you are exasperated by people concentrating on relative trivia, rather than the main issues of cultural and racial bigotry, discrimination and persecution, then I sympathise. And agree.

But it's not an "imaginary problem". The moving of Gone With the Wind into cold storage by an online distribution company; the (albeit temporary, it would appear) removal of a famous Fawlty Towers episode, the suspension of some episodes of little Britain (which I don't watch and about which I know little) all happened. And I'll bet the decisions weren't taken by any of the "old farts" who occasionally post here.

These are pathetic examples of "virtue signalling" or "posing" as it used to be called. People who substitute taking any real and substantial action on behalf of a worthy cause with minor gestures that serve no purpose other than giving the opportunity for prigs to "call out" anybody who demurs from their own standards.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Nobody said that. They said that flying a sunk of white supremacy like that was an appalling sign of ignorance. It would be like Down fans flying a swastika because it has red and black.

If they don't want to bring American politics into GAA, don't fly an American flag.

You're just a teensy step away there from calling it "cultural appropriation", which is another pointless posy way of deflecting debate away from real issues into insignificant ones.

Look. The Rebel Flag issue is a storm in a teacup. Its banning will not, I am sure, impact in any way on the fervency with which Cork people support their teams. They'll find some other "Rebel" parallel. Maybe they will identify with the "Rebel Alliiance" of Star Wars, and then come to the grounds dressed as Wookies or Ewoks or whatever (I stopped watching Star Wars after the fourth one__I'n not sure exactly who comprises the Rebel Alliance)

Of course in that situation, it is not hard to envisage those who hold the "image rights" to such costumes insisting that only "genuine" branded (ie expensive) costumes are worn in public otherwise "THEIR" intellectual property is being tradduced!!! But I digress.

All I am saying is that I firmly believe few if any Cork supporters flew the Stars n Bars in sympathy with slavery. Or the Confederacy. In fact I suspect most of them don't even know what the Confederacy was.

It is just one of numerous examples of symbols, icons, phrases, songs, words etc that might be harmless in one part of the world but would have negative connotations in others. Haven't you read/seen the Da Vinci Code?

fly_agaric

mcmoustache wrote: »

While I'm not that concerned with the stupid decisions companies are free to make, I too would love to know how such decisions come about. I mean, sure companies usually respond to demand but was there really any demand for this?

How do companies decide to act? IMO biggest motive is always preserving or increasing profits. I'd say in this case they are sniffing the way the wind is blowing.

On demand, I'm sure they are only getting emails from the odd angry/crazy person exercised enough to contact them, or seeing quite limited amounts of tweets/social media sentiment on the issue.

However that could be telling them that having such content available on their streaming platform might anger a young "market segment" which is far more important than older "market segment" that actually likes that stuff. They (the older segment who might be upset if something disappears) are probably not as heavy users of the services, definitely not as engaged over social media etc. Could make them believe it is ultimately more risky for business not to act preemtively?

So they take will it down (or perhaps add a literal "trigger" warning) to get out in front of a potential problem as they see it.

the purple tin

fly_agaric wrote: »

How do companies decide to act? IMO biggest motive is always preserving or increasing profits. I'd say in this case they are sniffing the way the wind is blowing.

On demand, I'm sure they are only getting emails from the odd angry/crazy person exercised enough to contact them, or seeing quite limited amounts of tweets/social media sentiment on the issue.

However that could be telling them that having such content available on their streaming platform might anger a young "market segment" which is far more important than older "market segment" that actually likes that stuff. They (the older segment who might be upset if something disappears) are probably not as heavy users of the services, not as engaged over social media etc. Could make them believe it is ultimately more risky for business not to act preemtively?

So they take will it down (or perhaps add a literal "trigger" warning) to get out in front of a potential PR problem as they see it.

Yeah no matter how caring and sensitive these companies say they are they will always put their bottom line first.

fly_agaric

o1s1n wrote: »

A Clockwork Orange was actually pulled by Stanley Kubrick himself, nothing to do with censorship boards.

Decided to self censor due to gang violence.

We did ban From Dusk Till dawn for a bit alright, as well as Natural Born Killers and Manhunt 2 on the PS2 if anyone remembers that.

Interesting. Forgot "Natural Born Killers" (probably as have not seen it). I did a search (I was posting from memory above). I think it ("A Clockwork Orange") was banned here. Below piece says it was anyway (as does Wikipedia) but that it was also removed from cinemas in the UK (not censored by the state as it was here).

https://entertainment.ie/cinema/movie-news/seven-classic-films-that-were-banned-in-ireland-239000/

I don't remember this personally as was not born, but thought I did recall a kerfuffle when it was "unbanned" and you could get hold of the full version on video in shops here etc. I suppose that was because it is considered a classic - most of the other stuff that had been banned by the censor at one time or another is fairly crap and attracted less notice.

vriesmays

Star Trek will get banned next because of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijFwO0iuIeY

fly_agaric

da_miser wrote: »

They where around for a while, pure sugar, everyone tried them but not to Irish tastes.
There was no campaign to ban them , people bought once ,did not like them and they went away.

Don't remember Lucky Charms being on widespread sale here.

Well, he/she is mod of Conspiracy Theories forum according to handle!

Also, Ireland is not a side-branch/state of the US although one can be forgiven for forgetting that fact.

Seems like the Europeans who speak English [ourselves and the Brits] are increasingly just ghosts/figments in Uncle Sam's world!

Hector Savage

I was browsing HBO the other night and fair play to them, they have a section "Against Racism" - great stuff!!

I then realised with increasing dread that they had no "Against Child murder" section, very worrying, it seems HBO must support this , I will be launching a social media campaign to have them address this ...

the purple tin

You could get lucky charms here briefly I think it was in the 80s or 90s but they were just sugar overkill, and my favorite cereal for years was Start.
It used to go stale very fast as well.

Snickers Man

Rodin wrote: »

There's no greater abuse in Hollywood than a non-native Irish actor trying to portray an "Irish" (whatever that is) accent.

It's not abuse. It's just pathetic and in poor taste.

Did anyone object to a Hispanic actress (Cameron Diaz) playing an Irish colleen in Gangs of New York?

"Omigod!!!! She's wearing freckle-face!!!!!"

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

It's hilarious to see the hypocrisy in Irish people's attitudes to the confederate flag and that new Linfield shirt.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

It's hilarious to see the hypocrisy in Irish people's attitudes to the confederate flag and that new Linfield shirt.

Most Irish people would love that Linfield shirt if this place is anything to go by. The apologists dream.

Edgware

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

It's hilarious to see the hypocrisy in Irish people's attitudes to the confederate flag and that new Linfield shirt.

What hypocrisy? 99% of the Irish people dont even know Linfield have brought out a new shirt.

biko

Can't wait for the re-release of Gangs of New York with Irish initial discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ThaS47rqlE

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Edgware wrote: »

What hypocrisy? 99% of the Irish people dont even know Linfield have brought out a new shirt.

Everywhere I look, Linfield are slated for putting a UVF flag on their shirt.

Meanwhile, the people who don't like the confederate flag at Cork games are derided as snowflakes. "it's just a bit of cloth FFS"

This is telling, although not very surprising.

joe40

This thread would be so much better if the phrase "what next? was banned. lol

I don't have a problem with non Irish people doing irish accents, some were good some aren't. Good actors can do accents.

I do have a problem with the way Ireland and Irish have been portrayed over the years. Either drunken clowns or drunken hooligans.

That is largely changing now and I'm glad.

Here is an example from late 90s, Eastenders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastEnders_episodes_in_Ireland

There was quite a lot of anger in Ireland at the way Ireland was portrayed in EastEnders. There were objections at diplomatic level and the BBC apologised.
There were real worries it would impact tourism.

Popular media is extremely important at driving a narrative. For example I would say many people, myself included, have ideas of American wild west, or Vietnam war or WW2 from countless movies we have seen, rather than history books or impartial documentaries.

Overheal

biko wrote: »

Can't wait for the re-release of Gangs of New York with Irish initial discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ThaS47rqlE

Really deliberate attempt to miss the point at this stage isn’t it

Snickers Man

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Everywhere I look, Linfield are slated for putting a UVF flag on their shirt.

Meanwhile, the people who don't like the confederate flag at Cork games are derided as snowflakes. "it's just a bit of cloth FFS"

This is telling, although not very surprising.

1) Thank you for enlightening me about the new Linfield shirt. Keeping up to date with the latest kit issues of any of the "Blues Brothers" is not a top priority for me so I was totally unaware of it.

2) A UVF flag on a Linfield shirt is a very different statement than Cork people having a bit of crack with a "rebel" flag. Linfield fans usually mean it when they praise the UVF. As I said before, Cork fans flying the "Rebel" flag intend no more correlation than the word rebel. And anyway, they will probably leave any such flags at home without quibble. That's not the hill they're going to die on.

How important is all this posey stuff? Not very

Manic Moran

On a slightly different tack, HBO are releasing a new batch of Looney Toons.

Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam, however, have had their guns removed. They will still attempt to slice, run over, explode, crush, or anything else they are trying to do to Bugs and company, but no firearms will be visible.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elmer-fudd-yosemite-sam-guns/

joe40

Snickers Man wrote: »

1) Thank you for enlightening me about the new Linfield shirt. Keeping up to date with the latest kit issues of any of the "Blues Brothers" is not a top priority for me so I was totally unaware of it.

2) A UVF flag on a Linfield shirt is a very different statement than Cork people having a bit of crack with a "rebel" flag. Linfield fans usually mean it when they praise the UVF. As I said before, Cork fans flying the "Rebel" flag intend no more correlation than the word rebel. And anyway, they will probably leave any such flags at home without quibble. That's not the hill they're going to die on.

How important is all this posey stuff? Not very

The cork fans haven't been waving many flags of any description these days.

Tea drinker

joe40 wrote: »

This thread would be so much better if the phrase "what next? was banned. lol

I don't have a problem with non Irish people doing irish accents, some were good some aren't. Good actors can do accents.

I do have a problem with the way Ireland and Irish have been portrayed over the years. Either drunken clowns or drunken hooligans.

That is largely changing now and I'm glad.

Here is an example from late 90s, Eastenders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastEnders_episodes_in_Ireland

There was quite a lot of anger in Ireland at the way Ireland was portrayed in EastEnders. There were objections at diplomatic level and the BBC apologised.
There were real worries it would impact tourism.

Popular media is extremely important at driving a narrative. For example I would say many people, myself included, have ideas of American wild west, or Vietnam war or WW2 from countless movies we have seen, rather than history books or impartial documentaries.

Irish are still portrayed poorly, look at the likes of Archer TV series.
It's quite irreverent and funny in general but still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsc51u_2Bb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDylnKX6Ay8

Wouldn't get away with it with another group :-)

joe40

Tea drinker wrote: »

Irish are still portrayed poorly, look at the likes of Archer TV series.
It's quite irreverent and funny in general but still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsc51u_2Bb4
Wouldn't get away with it with another group :-)

Never heard of that show, but that is crap way to represent an Irish person.

jimgoose

Tea drinker wrote: »

Irish are still portrayed poorly, look at the likes of Archer TV series.
It's quite irreverent and funny in general but still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsc51u_2Bb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDylnKX6Ay8

Wouldn't get away with it with another group :-)

Ah, Malory Archer - the wagon's wagon! :pac::pac::pac:

Her greatest line:

“If I cared what you do on the weekend, I’d stick a shotgun in my mouth and pull the trigger with my toes.”

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

joe40 wrote: »

Never heard of that show, but that is crap way to represent an Irish person.

It’s.a.comedy.

If you find offence in comedy there’s no hope for you.

Absolutely NOTHING should be off limits when it comes to comedy.

is_that_so

Tea drinker wrote: »

Irish are still portrayed poorly, look at the likes of Archer TV series.
It's quite irreverent and funny in general but still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsc51u_2Bb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDylnKX6Ay8

Wouldn't get away with it with another group :-)

They tend to look at the Hollywood Oirish accent as their only reference. Their audience generally don't care if it's way off. We are the only ones who bristle at it! If you mean the fightin', drinkin' caricature, well look around you!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

I’ve been trying to stay off the news sites for a few days as it’s all gone so silly. The first thing that greets me is Coco Pops are racist because there’s a monkey on the box.

A man in America dies because a police officer kneels on his head and this lunatic in the uk wants to ban coco pops.

Add it to the list of things we can’t have because lefty lunacy.

notobtuse

Manic Moran wrote: »

On a slightly different tack, HBO are releasing a new batch of Looney Toons.

Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam, however, have had their guns removed. They will still attempt to slice, run over, explode, crush, or anything else they are trying to do to Bugs and company, but no firearms will be visible.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elmer-fudd-yosemite-sam-guns/

Elmer wielding a scythe (like the one used by Death) to try and cut your head off is nowhere near as intimidating as a shotgun, I guess. No more guns... Heads will roll!

joe40

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It’s.a.comedy.

If you find offence in comedy there’s no hope for you.

Absolutely NOTHING should be off limits when it comes to comedy.

Depends on the context. Some comedy can be offensive.

It shouldn't be banned, that's censorship, but is a matter, but for each platform or media outlet to can make up their own mind about content.

I want to live in a world where Peter Davidson can still have his racist jokes but I don't want to pay for it.

joe40

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I’ve been trying to stay off the news sites for a few days as it’s all gone so silly. The first thing that greets me is Coco Pops are racist because there’s a monkey on the box.

A man in America dies because a police officer kneels on his head and this lunatic in the uk wants to ban coco pops.

Add it to the list of things we can’t have because lefty lunacy.

I missed that one. Are you actively looking for things, that you can then complain about.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

joe40 wrote: »

I missed that one. Are you actively looking for things, that you can then complain about.

It's literally everywhere.

Chris_Heilong

The Critical Drinker has a good take on the whole matter, we should resist the calls from a vocal minority who just want to change the world so they can say they archived something.

Quantum Erasure

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I’ve been trying to stay off the news sites for a few days as it’s all gone so silly. The first thing that greets me is Coco Pops are racist because there’s a monkey on the box.

A man in America dies because a police officer kneels on his head and this lunatic in the uk wants to ban coco pops.

Add it to the list of things we can’t have because lefty lunacy.

Github plans to replace racially insensitive terms like ‘master’ and ‘whitelist’

https://thenextweb.com/dd/2020/06/15/github-plans-to-replace-racially-insensitive-terms-like-master-and-whitelist/

A bunch of other open-source projects and companies including the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), the Go programming language, and Grammarly have changed their terminology to remove terms that are racially suggestive. These entities have made changed whitelist and blacklist to allowlist and blocklist.

LinkedIn engineer Gabrial Csapo said he’s working to open issues in the company’s internal libraries that use these terms. Apple engineer John Wilander also followed the suite.