Leo says the Civil Service is 'very white'

tobefrank321

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Aid is too reminiscent of AIDS which came from Africa.

Sorry yes you're right, what was I thinking!

Risteard81

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Fairly sure SF are treasonous, most likely fraudulent too when you consider they have TDs like Violet-Anne Wynn and Riada Cronin.

Sinn Féin don't have any TDs at present. They stand only for the All-Ireland Dáil (as per the Sinn Féin Consitution) and not for either of the partitionst assemblies which subvert the Republic. Any constitutional lawyer could tell you this. Adams' and McGuinness' cohorts expelled themselves from Sinn Féin in 1986 by breaching the constitution which described their acts as "an act of treachery, to be dealt with as such." As they were not, therefore, members of Sinn Féin (or the wider Republican Movement) they essentially founded a new party (backed up by a militia - which was very far removed from the National Army from which they were expelled).

Rodney Bathgate

Yurt! wrote: »

In the PBP / Galway thread I made the very basic point that immigration is very difficult to discuss because of shutdown tactics from a certain coterie on the left. You threw your rattler saying that was BS.

Now here you are on another thread attempting a finger wagging shutdown tactic.

It’s time these lads put up or shut up. They should report the thread and let the mods / admins decide. False claims of racist should be a cardable offence as they are regularly used to stifle and derail threads.

Rodney Bathgate

Risteard81 wrote: »

Sinn Féin don't have any TDs at present. They stand only for the All-Ireland Dáil (as per the Sinn Féin Consitution) and not for either of the partitionst assemblies which subvert the Republic. Any constitutional lawyer could tell you this. Adams' and McGuinness' cohorts expelled themselves from Sinn Féin in 1986 by breaching the constitution which described their acts as "an act of treachery, to be dealt with as such." As they were not, therefore, members of Sinn Féin (or the wider Republican Movement) they essentially founded a new party (backed up by a militia - which was very far removed from the National Army from which they were expelled).

Sorry, have I stepped into a parallel dimension? Does Mary Lou even exist? Does Violet-Anne owe 5 years of back rent in this dimension?

Rodney Bathgate

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Sorry yes you're right, what was I thinking!

Thinking could be problematic also...try to avoid that.

da_miser

speckled_park wrote: »

Sick of all this talk. Ireland needs a credible right leaning party, fine Gael are a bit of a joke.

The day a current or new party backed with money says it is going to the right , is the day Boards sets a new record for posts, the debate about which direction we want Ireland to go to would begin, as it is we are ambling towards disaster, we are currently at a crossroads and do not have real leadership.
The East EU leadership following the wishes of the population and has said no to immigration, the leadership of West EU including Ireland , take no heed to the wishes of the population and are pushing for it, even when they campaign as anti immigration, once in power they are pro immigration, but the fact is the people of east and west are united in not wanting immigration, so what is the end game, why are politicians going against the wishes of the vast majority of the people?

spurious

Risteard81 wrote: »

Leo should be more concerned about an unelected junta being in office several months after being evicted from power (and several of them evicted from their seats).

That bloody Constitution of ours, what a nuisance.

da_miser

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Really quite bizarre that a man of Indian heritage who has risen to the most powerful position in the country after a life of privilege as a Drs son and then a Dr himself, feels that we operate some sort of glass ceiling for non-white people.

I have never heard Leo's race, appearance, ethnic background ever be referred to an issue in any regard.

He himself is the greatest evidence for the fact that race is not a determinant of success in politics here.

Nail on head, never heard of Leo described as a Indian, he was always a FG wanker.

Risteard81

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Does Mary Lou even exist?

Mary Who is an ex-Fianna Fáiler who has never been a member of Sinn Féin. (Nor would she ever be welcome as a member of Sinn Féin.)

Suckit

boardise wrote: »

A load of tokenistic krapp.

And very recently he spouted a load of tolkienistic trapp.

Rodney Bathgate

Risteard81 wrote: »

Mary Who is an ex-Fianna Fáiler who has never been a member of Sinn Féin. (Nor would she ever be welcome as a member of Sinn Féin.)

Fair point, can’t dispute that.

Rodney Bathgate

Suckit wrote: »

And very recently he spouted a load of tolkienistic trapp.

Dirty little hobbitses.

JustAThought

I spent last week filling out mindless 12
page application forms, writing essays on how my past experiences match their 48 point requirements for the role, filling in 450 word STAR matrix responses to 10 questions on each of their required characteristics and rebuilding my cv into inch wide forms that date back to my primary school.

If all this is useless and all one has to do is tick a box to say you are black then it makes a total f’ing mockery of not only the already farcical recruitment system - role plays, projects, numeric and spatial reasoning tests, phychometric testing, etc etc etc. The whole thing has become a farce.

And this from a man who has LOST ‘his’ job but is still drawing a salary alongside his ‘work’ buddies despite being voted out of their own jobs

da_miser

jim salter wrote: »

Also, racism is not just about white people, I have witnessed white people being racially abused by non-white people more than once.

Believe it or not , two White Irish friends of mine where told in a bar in Bristol , we don't serve Irish in here .
100% true, they went to police station and made a Complaint the next day, not that we heard any more about it but to get it on record so it might help any paddys in the future.
This week in Bristol woke folk bringing down statues of racists.
Paddy and whites are down low on the totem pole of racism.

Jinglejangle69

JustAThought wrote: »

I soent last week filling out mindless 12
page application forms, writing essays on how my past experiences match their 48 point requirements for the role, filling in 450 word responses to 10 questions on each of their required characteristics and rebuilding my cv into inch wife forms that date back to my primary school.

If all this is useless and all one has to do is tick a box to say you are black then it makes a total f’ing mockery of not only the already farcical recruitment system - role plays, projects, numeric and spatial reasoning tests, phychometric testing, etc etc etc. The whole thing has become a farce.

And this from a man who has LOST ‘his’ job but is still drawing a salary alongside his ‘work’ buddies despite being voted out of their own jobs

Big If there.

JustAThought

JustAThought wrote: »

I spent last week filling out mindless 12
page application forms, writing essays on how my past experiences match their 48 point requirements for the role, filling in 450 word STAR matrix responses to 10 questions on each of their required characteristics and rebuilding my cv into inch wide forms that date back to my primary school.

If all this is useless and all one has to do is tick a box to say you are black then it makes a total f’ing mockery of not only the already farcical recruitment system - role plays, projects, numeric and spatial reasoning tests, phychometric testing, etc etc etc. The whole thing has become a farce.

And this from a man who has LOST ‘his’ job but is still drawing a salary alongside his ‘work’ buddies despite being voted out of their own jobs

It's not useless. Sure, I'm against quotas of any type, but let's not go nuts here. Quotas for women have been in place for some time now, and while it has affected some men applying for jobs, such friction has been tiny for Ireland. It would be even less in regards to racial quotas.

The principle of the thing is sexist/racist. In practical terms, it's not going to have much of an impact, since minority groups are very minor, and the actual numbers going for such jobs would be even less. All the same, it's worth taking a stand against these discriminatory measures, simply because we won't ever have an equal society as long as they're encouraged.

fin12

Mr. Karate wrote: »

That is the endgame of this Multiculturalism scam. To make us Minorities in our own Countries.

Hit the nail on the head. The racism going on against white people right now is sickening.

the purple tin

Leo has gained a good bit of popularity with the c19 crisis.
Hope he doesn't pee it all away with this nonsense.

Woodsie1

the purple tin wrote: »

Leo has gained a good bit of popularity with the c19 crisis.
Hope he doesn't pee it all away with this nonsense.

Hes fcuked it all away...hes a populist moron who thinks the majority of the population shares their opinion on social media...hes done for,thank god.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

JustAThought wrote: »

I spent last week filling out mindless 12
page application forms, writing essays on how my past experiences match their 48 point requirements for the role, filling in 450 word STAR matrix responses to 10 questions on each of their required characteristics and rebuilding my cv into inch wide forms that date back to my primary school.

If all this is useless and all one has to do is tick a box to say you are black then it makes a total f’ing mockery of not only the already farcical recruitment system - role plays, projects, numeric and spatial reasoning tests, phychometric testing, etc etc etc. The whole thing has become a farce.

And this from a man who has LOST ‘his’ job but is still drawing a salary alongside his ‘work’ buddies despite being voted out of their own jobs

I went through the same forms recently.

I have it on extremely good authority that if you tick that box that says ethnic minority it doesn’t matter what you filled in elsewhere on the form, you get bumped up.

Diversity is great isn’t it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

the purple tin wrote: »

Leo has gained a good bit of popularity with the c19 crisis.
Hope he doesn't pee it all away with this nonsense.

Only an idiot would think he’s done a good job. Unfortunately we’re a nation full of idiots.

Strumms

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The Dail of which he is the leader is even more white as is the government.

It’s very white. That’s democracy for you. It’s Ireland, it’s mainly white. It’s very black in Sierra Leone.

I shake my head at people saying, we need more black, white, gay, gender fluid people elected to represent us. We actually don’t. No citizen should turn up at the ballot box with ideals of smoothing out the demographics of elected representatives... they should vote for whomever they believe will work, represent and hold their seat with the best interests of the country and ALL constituents in mind, not their mates, not their fellow ethnicity different and diverse friends....

Anyone saying I’d vote for person A because...

-they are a woman
-they are African
-they are gender fluid
-they are a vegetarian

They should be hauled be for treason if that was possible. You vote for somebody, because they are of the right experience, in possession of the right skill set, have the proper motivation and ethics to tackle the job with the interests, wellbeing and betterment of every citizen of this country as their prime goal and aspiration. That they approach the job with an unfailing appetite of hard work, fairness, intelligence and and an appropriate appreciation of the values of this country, it’s people, the challenges in our communities as well as our aspirations. The flag above the Dáil is the tricolor. The proclamation of the republic is signed by the 7 is the basis of our country.



We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades in arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

Pretty unambiguous.

sabat

As I said in another now-locked thread-5 years ago I wasn't even white. Growing up, literally nobody in the entire country would have used that word to describe themselves apart from a miniscule number of weirdo neo-Nazis. It's an American term appropriate to their racial dichotomy that's been forced on to us by globalisation. And not only do we have to accept the tag we never asked for, we are also presumed to possess all the characteristics and history associated with the tag-ie if we are white it is axiomatic that we are oppressors of black people.

Woodsie1

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Only an idiot would think he’s done a good job. Unfortunately we’re a nation full of idiots.

Plagiarising quotes from fcuking movies and tv shows should show what a vaucous moron Leo is...hasnt a bit of leadership in is own body.

Rubberchikken

Are we reaching a place where we'll be forced to apologise for being white and hand over our country while shuffling backwards out of it?

Leo is a tool, plain and simple, and his nonsense pronouncements should be ignored.

Risteard81

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Plagiarising quotes from fcuking movies and tv shows should show what a vaucous moron Leo is...hasnt a bit of leadership in is own body.

No wonder he was expelled from power months ago.

Woodsie1

Then he virtue signals that hes taking up his doctors position again and all he did was answer phone calls...doctor my hole he was a glorified secretary.
Not to mention a leader of a country photo'd knacker drinking in a park with his buddies:rolleyes:.

It would b funny if it wasnt so tragic.

Woodsie1

Risteard81 wrote: »

No wonder he was expelled from power months ago.

Shame hes been the face of the nation since then.

fin12

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Then he virtue signals that hes taking up his doctors position again and all he did was answer phone calls...doctor my hole he was a glorified secretary.
Not to mention a leader of a country photo'd knacker drinking in a park with his buddies:rolleyes:.

It would b funny if it wasnt so tragic.

Ya he’s a pure embarrassment. Complete imbecile.

da_miser

sabat wrote: »

As I said in another now-locked thread-5 years ago I wasn't even white. Growing up, literally nobody in the entire country would have used that word to describe themselves apart from a miniscule number of weirdo neo-Nazis. It's an American term appropriate to their racial dichotomy that's been forced on to us by globalisation. And not only do we have to accept the tag we never asked for, we are also presumed to possess all the characteristics and history associated with the tag-ie if we are white it is axiomatic that we are oppressors of black people.

Back in my youth, Phil Lynott was not black , he was Irish.
Paul McGrath was not black, he was Irish and the best defender in the world.
So what has changed, i know its a outside force pushing this racism on Ireland, but the question is why?

Kaybaykwah

The Irish gummint should foist suntanning sessions on the nation, period.

Woodsie1

fin12 wrote: »

Ya he’s a pure embarrassment. Complete imbecile.

I never even mentioned that in the middle of a worldwide pandemic the fool decides to abandon his post as leader of the country to answer phone calls.

Surely Leo had more important things to focus on than looking good to his Insta followers

fin12

Woodsie1 wrote: »

I never even mentioned that in the middle of a worldwide pandemic the fool decides to abandon his post as leader of the country to answer phone calls.

Surely Leo had more important things to focus on than looking good to his Insta followers

And everyone praising him. Of course he wouldn’t dream of putting on that sh*t he bought from China and doing a shift on a ward.

And let’s not forget his remarks about the CoVid19 payment, you will still receive more than what u earned before this , am why? What’s the logic behind this?

Sarcozies

quo·​ta | \ ˈkwō-tə \ noun
Definition of quota
1: a fixed number or percentage of minority group members or women needed to meet the requirements of affirmative action. Will cause a large portion of said group to experience imposter syndrome and doubts for the rest of their lives if they have achieved the endeavours from hard work or merely because of what is between their legs or what shade their skin is.

How about we propose a brain quota for the dáil?

Woodsie1

fin12 wrote: »

And everyone praising him. Of course he wouldn’t dream of putting on that sh*t he bought from China and doing a shift on a ward.

And let’s not forget his remarks about the CoVid19 payment, you will still receive more than what u earned before this , am why? What’s the logic behind this?

Corse he wouldnt cos that **** was the usual cheap chinese crap weve got for years...but no like Simple Simon said about the Italians coming to Ireland for a rugby game that was cancelled,we cant stop them in case we might upset them.:rolleyes:

Strumms

Haha, I’ve a whole issue with that term, ‘minority group’... whom if anyone judges or qualifies someone as ‘belonging’ to a ‘minority group’ ?

I’ve lived for a time outside of Ireland. I never viewed myself or related my situation to anyone there that I belong to a ‘minority group’..

I went to work and I got a job with a European Government Agency based on ability, experience, aptitude etc... when I went for promotion I never threw off an email claiming “hey, don’t see too many of us Irish getting a ‘leg up’, I think I’m entitled... I simply recognized that those promoted ahead were more deserving and suitable candidates..they organization put its needs and those of who it serves front and center.

Ireland needs to be doing that, putting the needs of Irish people, all of it’s citizens front and center.

da_miser

When you think about it , The Irish Civil service SHOULD be very white if we are going on racial quotas , White Irish should be the VAST majority of the Irish civil service, is Leo simply stating a fact ?

Woodsie1

"Charity begins at home"

Is that another saying that has been cancelled?

Mrs OBumble

KevRossi wrote: »

Have I got this right? According to the CSO, there are just over 43,000 people who describe themselves as 'Black Irish' in the 2016 Census. Just under 1% of the population.

The overwhelming amount of them have either arrived here, or were born here since 1998; 22 years. A substantial number of them are in school or college. It takes a couple of decades for people to work themselves into jobs in certain areas in foreign countries. The cicil and public service jobs tend to take longest, professional sport the shortest. So what's the issue with Varadkar? Instead of whinging about colour, he should be ensuring that there is no discrimination in recruitment of any kind, that all people get a fair chance based on ability.

Give it a couple of decades and they;ll be working in public an civil service jobs, in teaching or wherever. There'll be people with Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian, Nigerian, Chinese, Brazilian and 101 other ethnic origins working there eventually. It takes time, no need to force it at the detriment of others.

Plenty of Irish people went overseas and had children with non-white people. Some of those children have chosen to come here, as their citizenship entitles them to.

It didn't take the Irish overseas several decades / generations to get into public service jobs. They knew full well that these jobs were the best way to raise their social status, so worked on getting them as quickly as possible. Equally, at home the requirement for Irish language to get in to the public service (now removed in many jobs) or to progress (still present in some) has been used to keep foreigners out.

Teaching is a particular issue: there is a cohort of non-white children who were born here, who go through the education system with no role models who look like them, or understand their cultural background. The Irish-language requirement means that qualified teachers from other countries who move here cannot even be considered for jobs.

Woodsie1

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Plenty of Irish people went overseas and had children with non-white people. Some of those children have chosen to come here, as their citizenship entitles them to.

It didn't take the Irish overseas several decades / generations to get into public service jobs. They knew full well that these jobs were the best way to raise their social status, so worked on getting them as quickly as possible. Equally, at home the requirement for Irish language to get in to the public service (now removed in many jobs) or to progress (still present in some) has been used to keep foreigners out.

Teaching is a particular issue: there is a cohort of non-white children who were born here, who go through the education system with no role models who look like them, or understand their cultural background. The Irish-language requirement means that qualified teachers from other countries who move here cannot even be considered for jobs.

Irish people didnt get special quotas to push them up the ladder:rolleyes:

da_miser

Strumms wrote: »

Haha, I’ve a whole issue with that term, ‘minority group’... whom if anyone judges or qualifies someone as ‘belonging’ to a ‘minority group’ ?

I’ve lived for a time outside of Ireland. I never viewed myself or related my situation to anyone there that I belong to a ‘minority group’..

I went to work and I got a job with a European Government Agency based on ability, experience, aptitude etc... when I went for promotion I never threw off an email claiming “hey, don’t see too many of us Irish getting a ‘leg up’, I think I’m entitled... I simply recognized that those promoted ahead were more deserving and suitable candidates..they organization put its needs and those of who it serves front and center.

Ireland needs to be doing that, putting the needs of Irish people, all of it’s citizens front and center.

White privilege in action, 100% no doubt about it!

da_miser

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Plenty of Irish people went overseas and had children with non-white people. Some of those children have chosen to come here, as their citizenship entitles them to.
.....non-white children who were born here, who go through the education system with no role models who look like them, or understand their cultural background. s.

So white Irish women go abroad,
get knocked up by Black, Brown ,Yellow men
These men disappear and leave the white Irish women with the children,
When the White Irish women come home with their babies,
White Irish folk are to blame for all the problems that these children face?
Well i ask one simple question, "Where is the father?"
Could all the child's problems be solved by having a father in their life?
Why blame racism, when the children have no father in their life?
Why is lack of father not a issue?
Why blame racism when obvious reason is lack of father for child going off the rails?

punisher5112

If they get their way and bring in another million or more we will eventually be eradicated....

Cheap labour is where it really lies.
They want all these coming in for direct provision as they need to keep their palls happy and some of themselves as they bought hotels and such to avail of the huge payouts for housing them using these services.

Madness when you do hear ones on giving out about conditions and how terrible us Irish treat them and they're there like 10 years maybe even more..... Hold on a minute why in all that is as holy as a rat's a#s is this even allowed carry on where they stay for all these years.

If your asylum is rejected then back you go but no not how it works here......

We are been seriously played here and we are been made absolute mugs out of.

ThunbergsAreGo

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Hes fcuked it all away...hes a populist moron who thinks the majority of the population shares their opinion on social media...hes done for,thank god.

Pretty much my own thoughts as well. Government by Twitter Poll and he will still be portrayed as a right wing tory by the left. There are no sane centerists parties, its varying degrees of left or very very right.

The thing about this is it will change naturally over the next few years as other ethnicities have children grow up in Ireland, who are educated by the Irish system, and enter the Civil service. Its not something that needs to be pushed (or afraid of).

eprndrgst

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Not only is he white, he is ginger.

Double whammy!! 🀣🀣🀣

ThunbergsAreGo

da_miser wrote: »

Back in my youth, Phil Lynott was not black , he was Irish.
Paul McGrath was not black, he was Irish and the best defender in the world.
So what has changed, i know its a outside force pushing this racism on Ireland, but the question is why?

Totally this "movement" in Ireland has the potential to become more divisive than inclusive, enforcing stereotypes on both sides and breeding resentment.

Irish people getting tied up in this American shlt are complete and utter morons. I was predicting this importation of American issues ten years ago on this site.

GazzaL

I'd rather people were hired based on their ability and hard graft rather than some racist quota proposed by the Taoiseach and PBP. I couldn't care less about the colour of someone's skin, their nationality, etc.

Generations of Irish people emigrants never received handouts. They did well because they worked hard and grasped opportunities, and there were no quotas for them! There are lots of people who have moved to Ireland and are doing well for the same reasons, regardless of their skin colour or nationality.

As other people have said, it will evolve naturally over time, just like the integration of Irish emigrants in other countries evolved over time.

There are plenty of hard-working immigrants in Ireland that are probably insulted by the Taoiseach's racist quota proposal. We could end up with a situation where a Lithuanian person and a Latvian person apply for a civil service job and if the Lithuanian person is the best qualified for the job, they could be told "Sorry, you're the best person for the job, but we're looking for Latvian people to fill a quota". Insert any nationalities into that example, I just picked two at random.

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Hes fcuked it all away...hes a populist moron who thinks the majority of the population shares their opinion on social media...hes done for,thank god.

I'm still amazed that he sets his sail in line with the lunatics on Twitter and de Facebuke luvvies. Both places are echo chambers for thickos and extremists, with Twitter being particularly toxic. It's not in anyway reflective of most ordinary people.

gibsmedat

Varadkar is a racist.

thomas 123

GazzaL wrote: »

I'd rather people were hired based on their ability and hard graft rather than some racist quota proposed by the Taoiseach and PBP. I couldn't care less about the colour of someone's skin, their nationality, etc.

Generations of Irish people emigrants never received handouts. They did well because they worked hard and grasped opportunities, and there were no quotas for them! There are lots of people who have moved to Ireland and are doing well for the same reasons, regardless of their skin colour or nationality.

As other people have said, it will evolve naturally over time, just like the integration of Irish emigrants in other countries evolved over time.

There are plenty of hard-working immigrants in Ireland that are probably insulted by the Taoiseach's racist quota proposal. We could end up with a situation where a Lithuanian person and a Latvian person apply for a civil service job and if the Lithuanian person is the best qualified for the job, they could be told "Sorry, you're the best person for the job, but we're looking for Latvian people to fill a quota". Insert any nationalities into that example, I just picked two at random.


I'm still amazed that he sets his sail in line with the lunatics on Twitter and de Facebuke luvvies. Both places are echo chambers for thickos and extremists, with Twitter being particularly toxic. It's not in anyway reflective of most ordinary people.

You may not already know this but in a lot of multinationals in Ireland they already have inclusion policies in hiring, ie a candidate from a “minority” would be given preference over a candidate from the “majority”.