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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #392
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,585 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Akrasia wrote: »
    He wasn’t driving. he was asleep in a car that was parked in a car park

    If the cops had a bit of cop on, they would have given him a warning instead of arresting him

    He was in the queue for the drive-thru


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    #393
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Well if it wasn't why was there a queue of cars and more arriving at the time.

    So it was open?


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    #394
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    froog wrote: »
    fair enough. in my opinion if the dude was white he would still be alive. the cop instinctively shot to kill when a non-lethal taser was pointed at him. if the guy was white his instinct would have been to tackle/incapacitate him. this is systemic racism. the cop most likely doesn't even realised he's been programmed this way.

    As established already, tasers are not non-lethal. They are less-lethal (distinct from less-than lethal, also wrong). They are less lethal than a firearm but still potentially lethal.

    It's about what could happen if the cops were incapacitated.

    They have a responsibility to prevent any situation where their firearms could be taken from them.


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    #395
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    Akrasia wrote: »
    He wasn’t driving. he was asleep in a car that was parked in a car park

    If the cops had a bit of cop on, they would have given him a warning instead of arresting him

    They were called because he was originally 'parked' in front of the drive thru and blocking all the cars. He moved it to the parking spot after the police arrived.

    He was likely trying to drive home drunk and then passed out drunk in front of the drive thru, why on earth would the police give someone a warning for driving drunk.

    So let's say the Guards catch someone driving home drunk in Dublin tonight do you think they should let him go with just a warning?


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    #396
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    declanflynn wrote: »
    They cops should have parked up his car and drove him home.
    Only in the US do you get killed for sleeping in your car.

    Do they tuck him as well??

    Only in the US do you get shot for driving under the influence to join the line of a feckin Wendys drive tru, then resist arrest , grabbing an officer taser, making a run for it with said taser and then discharging the weapon at the officer.

    Christ, I wish people would just come out and say they want special privileges for black people .


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    #397
    jams100
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭jams100


    It's sad but unfortunately the cop was probably correct to shoot. The problem is Americas gun culture, if I was a cop I'd be fearing for my life everyday sure isn't there 4 guns for every citizen in America?

    Maybe the situation could've been de escalated better but when someone resists arrest and then points a weapon at an officer then they are putting themselves in danger. I don't think any sane person would point a gun at an officer in America right now.

    The solution to these problems is simple yet extremely complex gun control.
    Just my thoughts


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    #398
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Akrasia wrote: »
    He wasn’t driving. he was asleep in a car that was parked in a car park

    If the cops had a bit of cop on, they would have given him a warning instead of arresting him

    He wasn't in a parked car, he was in a queue, they were called to check on a person in a car.
    For all they knew he took a medical episode and were there to make sure he was ok.

    He was asked to pull it over into a parking spot, do any of you actually watch the videos on this before you comment?


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    #399
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    declanflynn wrote: »
    So it was open?

    I don't know as I wasn't there, I live in Ireland.

    I would imagine it was due to the queues of cars unless they were setting up for the night and wanted to be there for breakfast.....


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    #400
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Do they tuck him as well??

    Only in the US do you get shot for driving under the influence to join the line of a feckin Wendys drive tru, then resist arrest , grabbing an officer taser, making a run for it with said taser and then discharging the weapon at the officer.

    Christ, I wish people would just come out and say they want special privileges for black people .

    You hit the nail on the head


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    #401
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Do they tuck him as well??

    Only in the US do you get shot for driving under the influence to join the line of a feckin Wendys drive tru, then resist arrest , grabbing an officer taser, making a run for it with said taser and then discharging the weapon at the officer.

    Christ, I wish people would just come out and say they want special privileges for black people .
    He had a couple of pints and went for a burger, got shot dead by police, something doesn't add up


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    #402
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I don't know as I wasn't there, I live in Ireland.

    I would imagine it was due to the queues of cars unless they were setting up for the night and wanted to be there for breakfast.....
    so you dont know all the facts about the incident


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    #403
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    RasTa wrote: »
    "That's a weapon"
    "it's a bucket"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9SZlypyK-4

    Clear harassment.


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    #404
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    declanflynn wrote: »
    He had a couple of pints and went for a burger, got shot dead by police, something doesn't add up

    You left out the part where he drove drunk to get his burger.

    You also left out the parts where he fought with the police, stole their weapon and then aimed the weapon at the police.

    You clearly are fueled by emotions and not facts/evidence.


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    #405
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    or the cops would have been dead ,

    or he could have driven home and killed some people on the way

    but because he was black the cops should have treated him differently

    you know what that's called don't you ?

    enlighten me...
    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Do you actually read what you write?

    He was asleep, passed out, eyes closed, not reacting to voice or bangs on the window, door opened and he eventually comes around.
    It could have been all show, but most likely he was asleep as the queue looked long and probably slow too.

    yet after all that they deemed him sober enough to move his car out of a queue and park it before they did the sobriety test. Lets say when he was moving the car he decided, **** it I will make a run for it and sped of knocking over someone. Who's fault would it have been? Surely if he is posing a danger you dont let him drive at all?
    joe40 wrote: »
    If that exact same situation had happened in Derry, the PSNI would not have shot someone dead even though they are armed. Because they are a responsible well trained police force.

    The lack of basic humanity from some posters is quite worrying. A young man is dead and he doesn't need to be.

    It is not anti police to look for better training, and better policies about guns, to try to prevent this sort of thing.

    This auld sh*the about the young man getting what he deserved is repulsive    .

    Agreed
    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I see it clear now it's a complete sh1t show and cops lives don't matter and neither do white people.

    :confused:
    NotMOL wrote: »
    They were called because he was originally 'parked' in front of the drive thru and blocking all the cars. He moved it to the parking spot after the police arrived.

    He was likely trying to drive home drunk and then passed out drunk in front of the drive thru, why on earth would the police give someone a warning for driving drunk.

    So let's say the Guards catch someone driving home drunk in Dublin tonight do you think they should let him go with just a warning?

    He was dropped of at the drive thru by his sister after enjoying the day at his nieces birthday. Why on earth would the police allow someone they suspected of being drink continue to drive even if it was to just park his car. What id like I said above he decided to do a runner?


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    #406
    froog
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    sdanseo wrote: »
    As established already, tasers are not non-lethal. They are less-lethal (distinct from less-than lethal, also wrong). They are less lethal than a firearm but still potentially lethal.

    It's about what could happen if the cops were incapacitated.

    They have a responsibility to prevent any situation where their firearms could be taken from them.

    what if the guy was waving a metal pipe around? he could incapacitate the cops by belting them with it and steal their guns. would you advocate lethal force there? what about a handful of sand? could blind them both and take their guns. shoot him dead?


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    #407
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    NotMOL wrote: »
    You left out the part where he drove drunk to get his burger.

    You also left out the parts where he fought with the police, stole their weapon and then aimed the weapon at the police.

    You clearly are fueled by emotions and not facts/evidence.

    You left out the part where he was dropped of at the burger place by his sister.

    Now if he is a danger to the pub lic when in the queue then surely the best course of action when the police arrive is to get him out of the car, not direct him to drive to to a parking bay, that's just irresponsible on behalf of the police.

    You clearly are fueled by emotions and not facts/evidence


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    #408
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    NotMOL wrote: »
    You left out the part where he drove drunk to get his burger.

    You also left out the parts where he fought with the police, stole their weapon and then aimed the weapon at the police.

    You clearly are fueled by emotions and not facts/evidence.
    Similar stuff happens every Saturday night in every town in Ireland


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    #409
    PVNevin
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭PVNevin


    Database of police killings:

    Killed By Police
    https://killedbypolice.net/


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    #410
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    frag420 wrote: »
    enlighten me...



    yet after all that they deemed him sober enough to move his car out of a queue and park it before they did the sobriety test. Lets say when he was moving the car he decided, **** it I will make a run for it and sped of knocking over someone. Who's fault would it have been? Surely if he is posing a danger you dont let him drive at all?



    Agreed



    :confused:



    He was dropped of at the drive thru by his sister after enjoying the day at his nieces birthday. Why on earth would the police allow someone they suspected of being drink continue to drive even if it was to just park his car. What id like I said above he decided to do a runner?

    Is that not common police practice to tell someone to pull into the side away from danger?

    Also at that stage they didn't know if he was drunk or not because they had not yet performed the breathalyzer test and in the video he was not sluing his speech so I don't think the cops thought he was locked out of his mind


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    #411
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    declanflynn wrote: »
    so you dont know all the facts about the incident

    What difference would it make, are you hungry....
    Oh wait they burnt the building down.


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    #412
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,582 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    What was the point of burning the restaurant to the ground, thats not going to solve anything.


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    #413
    PVNevin
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭PVNevin


    Racism is not the the most salient characteristic of police murders.
    It is a factor; but not the most significant.

    The factor that underlies the vast majority of police murders is the class of the victim.


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    #414
    MadYaker
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    I don't know if it has anything to do with racism, but there was 2 of them and 1 of him and he had a tazer. They really couldn't apprehend him in any way without killing him? It sounds like excessive force.


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    #415
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    MadYaker wrote: »
    I don't know if it has anything to do with racism, but there was 2 of them and 1 of him and he had a tazer. They really couldn't apprehend him in any way without killing him? It sounds like excessive force.

    How?


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    #416
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    NotMOL wrote: »
    Is that not common police practice to tell someone to pull into the side away from danger?

    Also at that stage they didn't know if he was drunk or not because they had not yet performed the breathalyzer test and in the video he was not sluing his speech so I don't think the cops thought he was locked out of his mind

    No idea, Ive never been caught drunk driving :p:p

    If he was not slurring his speech and the cops did not think he was locked out of his mind...then why put cuffs on him in the manner that they did, it was uncalled for and only escalated the issue?

    After the car was parked he offered to walk home and was perfectly capable of doing so as he was not locked out of his head? That would have been the sensible solution!

    Look I am not saying that all cops are bad, I know a number of them in NYC, I attended a Rolling Stones gig in London a few years ago with one of NYC's top cops so I have a little insight into the machinations of how some of them think.

    Have a read of this which I hope will Gove you and other insight into what is so wrong with the American police system. It would be great and appreciated if you could point out some of the issues outlined in this essay that you would agree with?

    https://kottke.org/20/06/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop


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    #417
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    How?
    THEY SHOT HIM DEAD


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    #418
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    What was the point of burning the restaurant to the ground, thats not going to solve anything.

    They wanted their burgers flame grilled...:p


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    #419
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭quokula


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Do they tuck him as well??

    Only in the US do you get shot for driving under the influence to join the line of a feckin Wendys drive tru, then resist arrest , grabbing an officer taser, making a run for it with said taser and then discharging the weapon at the officer.

    Christ, I wish people would just come out and say they want special privileges for black people .

    It says an awful lot about you that you think sleeping in a car without getting murdered is a privilege that black people don’t deserve. Utterly despicable.


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    #420
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    PVNevin wrote: »
    Racism is not the the most salient characteristic of police murders.
    It is a factor; but not the most significant.

    The factor that underlies the vast majority of police murders is the class of the victim.

    Victim?
    Big rich isn't it when most cases there is a good reason for their demise....

    Obviously not the best outcome and many cops don't want to shoot or kill for that matter.

    Yes there are issues and many come from the army and such agencies where they had to see and do things no person ever should.

    The issue is when they come back some never come back to reality.


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    #421
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    declanflynn wrote: »
    THEY SHOT HIM DEAD

    Indeed they did, I don't see it anywhere where they wanted this outcome or were dancing around with joy, they were put in danger and had to protect themselves and others....


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