Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

lawrencesummers

Rodin wrote: »

I have a major issue with police brutality.
But private gun ownership has a huge role to play in it.
But I don't believe it is race-driven as we're being told.

Just because two people of differing colour are involved in an incident, it doesn't mean it's about race.

And what does private gun ownership have to do with this situation?

Rodin

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And what does private gun ownership have to do with this situation?

Talking about police brutality in general.
Many killed by police are armed.

George Lloyd wasn't. Shouldn't have been killed.

Breonna Taylor shouldn't have died but her boyfriend shot at police. They of course were at the wrong place but if he wasn't armed she wouldn't have died.

AbusesToilets

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Nope, that’s not it.

With 13% of the population black people killed by police makes up 26% of the deaths.

50% of police deaths are white. Black and Hispanic officers are more likely to use deadly force against black suspects also .

Danzy

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And what does private gun ownership have to do with this situation?

America is awash with guns, legal and otherwise, you have to presume everyone is armed.

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

My favourite was "Sure just arrest him the next day"

Don’t need to go that long, but they did have his car, and a drunk man can only run so far. Cops aren’t strangers to a late night game of cat and mouse. He would have ran to ground, cops would have set up a perimeter and flushed him out with air support or a k9. Atlanta PD has the resources. First shot with a taser missed, guy is still putting distance between you. Watched a guy on LivePD run from the cops like this they spent an hour looking for him around a car dealership, looked around all the homeless camps in the woods nearby etc. ended up finding him in a flatbed of one of the pickup trucks. Cornered a guy in the woods of our parking lot at a store I worked at years ago trying to shoplift a laptop. tldr the continuum of force here was fcuked up. The guy played stupid games but far from righteous as some people are implying ITT.

jam_mac_jam

Rodin wrote: »

Scandalous.
I notice he's not black.
Will we learn his name? Will his face be put on walls?

A major issue in the US is the prevalence of guns in the general population. Gardaí can reasonably presume that someone stopped at a checkpoint does not have a gun nearby. Police in the US have to assume everyone is armed.

Maybe white victims should have their names on walls too? Maybe police brutality against all people is wrong and should be fought. Don't blame black people just because white people accept this treatment.

lawrencesummers

Danzy wrote: »

America is awash with guns, legal and otherwise, you have to presume everyone is armed.

Those officers knew he wasn’t armed, they had spoken to him for long enough to establish that, and if they hadn’t established that he wasn’t armed they should have.

All of this doesn’t change the fact that the police officer wasn’t in imminent danger when he shot the suspect.

jucko

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s interesting that your willing to acknowledge that Black people get killed in situations with police that white people dont, but you think BLM is ridiculous.

That’s a massive contradiction.

its a circle. no leadership.

Rodin

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Maybe white victims should have their names on walls too? Maybe police brutality against all people is wrong and should be fought. Don't blame black people just because white people accept this treatment.

Nobody is blaming black people.
All lives matter.

NotMOL

Just leaving this here

jucko

zpehtsfd wrote: »

If you had his gun who did you expect was going to kill you? Was he going to take it back off you and then shoot?

there were other officers on the scene

froog

NotMOL wrote: »

Just leaving this here

his criminal record and how good a person he was or wasn't is completely irrelevant. but you know that.

Danzy

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Those officers knew he wasn’t armed, they had spoken to him for long enough to establish that, and if they hadn’t established that he wasn’t armed they should have.

All of this doesn’t change the fact that the police officer wasn’t in imminent danger when he shot the suspect.

They spoke to him for a half hour, easily long enough to perform an ocular patdown.

Danzy

froog wrote: »

his criminal record and how good a person he was or wasn't is completely irrelevant. but you know that.

No one is surprised he was a **** sack of a human being, his actions on that night should stand alone and were more than enough.

NotMOL

froog wrote: »

his criminal record and how good a person he was or wasn't is completely irrelevant. but you know that.

I get what you're saying but I would say someones past records do come into play, he was clearly a violent person if he served 7 years for beating his kids and hasn't changed much if as soon as he get's released from jail he then goes on to assault a police officer, steal his weapon and then try to shoot him.

lawrencesummers

Danzy wrote: »

They spoke to him for a half hour, easily long enough to perform an ocular patdown.

Is America not awash with guns Until the point in a crime when it suits you?


As was said guns are everywhere, cops know this, that’s why they take precautions from the start of an interaction with a person not from the point he is running away.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

the purple tin wrote: »

The US police aren't trained like that. If they fire their gun at someone it is shoot to kill, aim for the centre of the chest. All that shooting people in the leg and shoulder stuff is just TV fiction.

Wrong!

They are trained to shoot centre mass (which is the torso), but the desired outcome is not death. They are trying to incapacitate the person and neutralise the threat. Some officers have been known to deliberately target a person's leg or shoulder rather than more lethal areas... it's not just in movies or TV shows.

3 shots for a guy running away in possession of a non-lethal weapon, is excessive force by a nervous and trigger happy cop. In most other countries, this man would still be alive today... but in the good old USofA... a drunk man who made a mistake is dead. And a child grows up without their dad. Crazy country!

john123470

https://youtu.be/tlJOgwG2EPc

In clip above, a black man tells it as it is.

On memorial weekend for Floyd .. - in Chicago, 60 (black) people shot by black people. 9-12 died.

One black man in the clip says "they shoulda let Floyd live so we could kill him ! " He asks why we are not talking about the real problem 'black on black' crime

Good to have some balance in all this madness.

To all the keyboard warriors here who say ' the cop in Atlanta coulda / shoulda done this / that - I guess you would have managed that situation perfectly, right ?

This man was parked in a drive thru .. he drove there pissed out of his gourd .. when served his grub, one will assume he drives away. What if he ran over you .. would that be ok ?

Why are all the people protesting about police brutality not talking about black on black crime which has an exponentially higher death toll .. where are the protestors when a black man shoots a white man or a white police officer ?? Is that ok ?

This is not just about police brutality .. This is a whole other thing

Rodin

Says 5ft 9 but on the height chart he looks 5ft 10 1/2

Stablelad123

froog wrote: »

his criminal record and how good a person he was or wasn't is completely irrelevant. but you know that.

It is relevant since he was currently on probation. Probably why he resisted arrest.

Danzy

john123470 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/tlJOgwG2EPc

In clip above, a black man tells it as it is.

On memorial weekend for Floyd .. - in Chicago, 60 (black) people shot by black people. 9-12 died.

One black man in the clip says "they shoulda let Floyd live so we could kill him ! " He asks why we are not talking about the real problem 'black on black' crime

Good to have some balance in all this madness.

To all the keyboard warriors here who say ' the cop in Atlanta coulda / shoulda done this / that - I guess you would have managed that situation perfectly, right ?

This man was parked in a drive thru .. he drove there pissed out of his gourd .. when served his grub, one will assume he drives away. What if he ran over you .. would that be ok ?

Why are all the people protesting about police brutality not talking about black on black crime which has an exponentially higher death toll .. where are the protestors when a black man shoots a white man or a white police officer ?? Is that ok ?

This is not just about police brutality .. This is a whole other thing

They don't care, black people are secondary.

AbusesToilets

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Wrong!

They are trained to shoot centre mass (which is the torso), but the desired outcome is not death. They are trying to incapacitate the person and neutralise the threat. Some officers have been known to deliberately target a person's leg or shoulder rather than more lethal areas... it's not just in movies or TV shows.

3 shots for a guy running away in possession of a non-lethal weapon, is excessive force by a nervous and trigger happy cop. In most other countries, this man would still be alive today... but in the good old USofA... a drunk man who made a mistake is dead. And a child grows up without their dad. Crazy country!

Written as someone who has never fired a gun, let alone in a stressful situation at someone trying to do you harm. Absolute fantasist.

lawred2

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Written as someone who has never fired a gun, let alone in a stressful situation at someone trying to do you harm. Absolute fantasist.

Have you?

weldoninhio

froog wrote: »

his criminal record and how good a person he was or wasn't is completely irrelevant. but you know that.

It’s not irrelevant if it effected his behaviour. He knew he’d go back inside if booked for DUI while on parole. He took the option to run. You think he would have been sitting at home waiting for the cops the next day??

weldoninhio

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Wrong!

They are trained to shoot centre mass (which is the torso), but the desired outcome is not death. They are trying to incapacitate the person and neutralise the threat. Some officers have been known to deliberately target a person's leg or shoulder rather than more lethal areas... it's not just in movies or TV shows.

3 shots for a guy running away in possession of a non-lethal weapon, is excessive force by a nervous and trigger happy cop. In most other countries, this man would still be alive today... but in the good old USofA... a drunk man who made a mistake is dead. And a child grows up without their dad. Crazy country!

No one aims for the leg or shoulder you lunatic. And as for three shots, I linked earlier to the fact that cops are trained to triple tap before assessing the situation.

weldoninhio

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Written as someone who has never fired a gun, let alone in a stressful situation at someone trying to do you harm. Absolute fantasist.

Probably never even held one.

froog

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s not irrelevant if it effected his behaviour. He knew he’d go back inside if booked for DUI while on parole. He took the option to run. You think he would have been sitting at home waiting for the cops the next day??

a man's criminal record should have no bearing on whether or not you shoot him dead. the only thing that matters is whether he is a threat to the cops life in that particular moment of time. i'm not sure how that could be in any way controversial. it's actually the law too by the way but sure who needs that?

Kermit.de.frog

While a tragic incident I feel on balance the officer used the only option left open to him.

declanflynn

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Now you are taking p*ss:eek:

A lot of rednecks around

Charles Babbage

A taser only has a useful range of 3-4 metres. The guy wasn't Usain Bolt, you could simply call backup and follow him 4 metres back.