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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #572
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    Everyone knows what can happen in a situation like that. It’s like the people that go to parts of the Middle East or Asia and get caught with enough weed for a couple of spliffs... Just don’t do it.

    "America: only as oppressive as those bad parts of the Middle East or Asia."


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    #573
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Overheal wrote: »
    It's easy to sweep problems under the rug that way isnt it.

    It's easy not look at alcohol as a major contributing factor towards crime too.

    To avoid that common denominator is to avoid the truth. It's the law of cause and effect.


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    #574
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Esse85 wrote: »
    It's easy not look at alcohol as a major contributing factor towards crime too.

    To avoid that common denominator is to avoid the truth. It's the law of cause and effect.

    You're a century late for the Prohibition Movement.


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    #575
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    froog wrote: »
    the guy being;

    1. a moron
    2. a criminal

    still doesn't excuse him getting killed needlessly. not sure where people are going with those arguments.

    He left that as their only choice, you can guarantee the police wish he hadn't forced them to.


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    #576
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Overheal wrote: »
    "America: only as oppressive as those bad parts of the Middle East or Asia."

    Yeah, it’s a bit of a sh*thole alright. It’s not news and doesn’t change my point. 99.99% of the time you won’t be shot dead if you comply.


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    #577
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    I agree they shouldn't have exchanged fire with him. They should have let him run a couple minutes and drunk himself into the ground.

    This makes me think you are posting for the fun of it, you ok probably could careless.

    Let himself drink himself in to the ground, maybe they should have had a litre bottle of whiskey to give him to help.


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    #578
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Danzy wrote: »
    He left that as their only choice, you can guarantee the police wish he hadn't forced them to.
    It wasn't their only choice.
    An armed PSNI officer or UK police man or armed Garda would not have shot in those circumstances.


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    #579
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    He left that as their only choice, you can guarantee the police wish he hadn't forced them to.

    No there were other choices.


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    #580
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    This makes me think you are posting for the fun of it, you ok probably could careless.

    Let himself drink himself in to the ground, maybe they should have had a litre bottle of whiskey to give him to help.

    Doesn't everyone post because they enjoy it? Or do you post because it makes you miserable and it feels like a chore?

    Point being that as drunk as he was they wouldn't have needed to chase him far and he was no lethal threat to anyone after the taser was fired and missed.


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    #581
    patsman07
    Registered Users Posts: 282 ✭✭patsman07


    froog wrote: »
    that's just not true. unarmed black people are much more likely to be killed by police during an interaction than white people.

    https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

    https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634878/


    You're wrong.



    All of the data you cite here is concerned with the absolute number of police shootings. (The 1000 or so each year I mentioned in my post.) As I said, most of these are undoubtedly justified. The reason why black people are over represented in the data you have cited here is because African American's are only 14% of the US population but they commit around 50% of the crime. Therefore, they have more interactions with the police.



    Furthermore, for the police to be systemically racist, we would have to remove cases where a black cop shot a black victim. The evidence shows that black & hispanic cops are more likely to shoot black victims than white cops.


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    #582
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    joe40 wrote: »
    It wasn't their only choice.
    An armed PSNI officer or UK police man or armed Garda would not have shot in those circumstances.

    Different countries, different rules.

    Only a tiny fraction of the hand guns, only a fraction of the serious crime and murder etc


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    #583
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Doesn't everyone post because they enjoy it? Or do you post because it makes you miserable and it feels like a chore?

    Point being that as drunk as he was they wouldn't have needed to chase him far and he was no lethal threat to anyone after the taser was fired and missed.

    I'm wondering if you think it was completely justified to shoot him but are being contrarian.


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    #584
    Overheal
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    patsman07 wrote: »
    The reason why black people are over represented in the data you have cited here is because African American's are only 14% of the US population but they commit around 50% of the crime. Therefore, they have more interactions with the police.

    Or maybe there's more than simple correlation and causation for a 400 year old problem.


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    #585
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    joe40 wrote: »
    It wasn't their only choice.
    An armed PSNI officer or UK police man or armed Garda would not have shot in those circumstances.

    How do you know.

    He took their weapon and he used it against them, he could have then got their actual firearm if he contacted the taser right.


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    #586
    Overheal
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    Danzy wrote: »
    I'm wondering if you think it was completely justified to shoot him but are being contrarian.

    It was not at all justified. Lethal force was excessive to the scenario.


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    #587
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Overheal wrote: »
    It was not at all justified. Lethal force was excessive to the scenario.

    That's your opinion.

    Imo it was warranted.


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    #588
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    patsman07 wrote: »
    You're wrong.



    All of the data you cite here is concerned with the absolute number of police shootings. (The 1000 or so each year I mentioned in my post.) As I said, most of these are undoubtedly justified. The reason why black people are over represented in the data you have cited here is because African American's are only 14% of the US population but they commit around 50% of the crime. Therefore, they have more interactions with the police.



    Furthermore, for the police to be systemically racist, we would have to remove cases where a black cop shot a black victim. The evidence shows that black & hispanic cops are more likely to shoot black victims than white cops.

    the links i shared show the probability of unarmed black people getting killed by police versus other races if you bothered to read them. not absolute numbers. so you either didn't even bother reading them, or you don't understand basic statistics.


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    #589
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    How do you know.

    He took their weapon and he used it against them, he could have then got their actual firearm if he contacted the taser right.
    He was drunk and running away, the cops were not in any immediate danger, call for back up and follow him


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    #590
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Danzy wrote: »
    He left that as their only choice, you can guarantee the police wish he hadn't forced them to.

    other choices:

    1. run after him and tackle him to the ground (there was two cops)
    2. let him off and call for backup


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    #591
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    declanflynn wrote: »
    He was drunk and running away, the cops were not in any immediate danger, call for back up and follow him

    And what if he uses the taser on another officer or breaks into a home......

    Seriously he was under arrest they can't be letting people run off with their weapons.


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    #592
    patsman07
    Registered Users Posts: 282 ✭✭patsman07


    Overheal wrote: »
    Or maybe there's more than simple correlation and causation for a 400 year old problem.


    Not for the problem of fatal police shootings. If you have a section of the population that is over-represented in the crime figures, they are going to be over-represented in the figures for police shootings.



    The reason why that group is over represented in the crime figures is a different issue. And I suspect we'd have a lot of common ground in that debate.


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    #593
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    froog wrote: »
    other choices:

    1. run after him and tackle him to the ground (there was two cops)
    2. let him off and call for backup

    He had one of their tasers, they had already gone the tackling route and he fought and stole the weapon, he could use the taser against them..... Simple he was a major risk.


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    #594
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Danzy wrote: »
    He left that as their only choice, you can guarantee the police wish he hadn't forced them to.
    bet the police wish they had handled the situation better!


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    #595
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    And what if he uses the taser on another officer or breaks into a home......

    Seriously he was under arrest they can't be letting people run off with their weapons.
    call for back up and follow him!
    Shooting shouldn't always be the answer


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    #596
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    He had one of their tasers, they had already gone the tackling route and he fought and stole the weapon, he could use the taser against them..... Simple he was a major risk.

    he was running away with a non lethal weapon. the idea that he was plotting to incapacitate two cops, steal their guns and start killing people is ridiculous.


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    #597
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    declanflynn wrote: »
    call for back up and follow him!
    Shooting shouldn't always be the answer

    He was under arrest, they can't just let him run off with their weapon...

    He tried to use it against them so he was a threat.


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    #598
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    He had one of their tasers, they had already gone the tackling route and he fought and stole the weapon, he could use the taser against them..... Simple he was a major risk.
    no he wasn't, someone running away from the police are not a danger to those he is running away from its simple


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    #599
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    froog wrote: »
    he was running away with a non lethal weapon. the idea that he was plotting to incapacitate two cops, steal their guns and start killing people is ridiculous.

    That's your opinion.


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    #600
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    declanflynn wrote: »
    no he wasn't, someone running away from the police are not a danger to those he is running away from its simple

    Yes they are, many an officer has been wounded or killed from people trying to get away.


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    #601
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    He was under arrest, they can't just let him run off with their weapon...

    He tried to use it against them so he was a threat.
    A drunk man with a taser running away is zero threat to 2 armed police officers, are u thick?


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