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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #932
    Stablelad123
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭Stablelad123


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    was that not refuted given the fact he wasn't in control of the car? ie: it wasnt turned on?

    but if what he did was enough to breach his bail conditions, you can see why resisted arrest and legged it.

    They were in the process of chuffing him for DUI before he tried to leg it


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    #933
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    When he pointed a weapon they had a right to defend their lives and an obligation to the public to stop him.

    If he was left go, he may have robbed a car with that taser to pick up his daughter he may have killed someone drunk driving he may have beaten his daughter to death this time.

    Thankfully it worked out with only the violent psycho dead.
    His family and community are now safer.

    You have some imagination. How was he going to steal a car and drive it anywhere with the cops right behind him? Any bystander in the drive thru with half a brain cell had their doors locked.


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    #934
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    You have some imagination. How was he going to steal a car and drive it anywhere with the cops right behind him? Any bystander in the drive thru with half a brain cell had their doors locked.

    He may have escaped. He was running at some pace, though given how drunk he was, he was as likely to run into a wall.

    Any thing was possible up to the moment he pointed the weapon and forced them to shoot.


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    #935
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Overheal wrote: »
    You have some imagination. How was he going to steal a car and drive it anywhere with the cops right behind him? Any bystander in the drive thru with half a brain cell had their doors locked.

    If Rayshard had half a brain cell he'd still be alive.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #936
    vetinari
    Registered Users Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Danzy wrote: »
    When he pointed a weapon they had a right to defend their lives and an obligation to the public to stop him.

    If he was left go, he may have robbed a car with that taser to pick up his daughter he may have killed someone drunk driving he may have beaten his daughter to death this time.


    Seriously? What kind of action movie are you living in?
    Real life isn't GTA, nothing about the situation suggests he was going to carjack a car and go on some rampage.


    Btw, here is a police officer in Seattle saying that a taser is not considered a deadly weapon
    https://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2011/01/06/is-a-taser-attack-considered-an-attack-with-a-deadly-weapon/


    The police officer was fired because his life was not in danger.
    And again, this is real life. If Brooks somehow managed to get away, they have his details and his car. He's 99% likely to be apprehended the next day.


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    #937
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    If Rayshard had half a brain cell he'd still be alive.

    If the cops had brain cells he’d be alive and in custody.


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    #938
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    He may have escaped. He was running at some pace, though given how drunk he was, he was as likely to run into a wall.

    Any thing was possible up to the moment he pointed the weapon and forced them to shoot.

    They weren’t forced but nice try at cleverness.


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    #939
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    vetinari wrote: »
    Seriously? What kind of action movie are you living in?
    Real life isn't GTA, nothing about the situation suggests he was going to carjack a car and go on some rampage.


    Btw, here is a police officer in Seattle saying that a taser is not considered a deadly weapon
    https://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2011/01/06/is-a-taser-attack-considered-an-attack-with-a-deadly-weapon/


    The police officer was fired because his life was not in danger.
    And again, this is real life. If Brooks somehow managed to get away, they have his details and his car. He's 99% likely to be apprehended the next day.

    Well nothing suggested he would attack and rob their weapon....

    But sure hell he did..... Anything could happen.


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    #940
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Overheal wrote: »
    If the cops had brain cells he’d be alive and in custody.

    They done nothing wrong, he could have easily got one of their guns.
    What if he got a good punch and one hit their head off the ground... All bets were off as soon as he attacked.


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    #941
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    They done nothing wrong, he could have easily got one of their guns.
    What if he got a good punch and one hit their head off the ground... All bets were off as soon as he attacked.

    They did do wrong. They used excessive force for the situation and were fired.


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    #942
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Overheal wrote: »
    They did do wrong. They used excessive force for the situation and were fired.

    Wrong, all that's about is the BLM rubbish going on


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    #943
    Stablelad123
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭Stablelad123


    Overheal wrote: »
    They did do wrong. They used excessive force for the situation and were fired.

    Incorrect. He was fired pending the outcome of an investigation. Given the timing it was the right thing to do. imo


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    #944
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Wrong, all that's about is the BLM rubbish going on

    Negative.


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    #945
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Stablelad123 wrote: »
    Incorrect. He was fired pending the outcome of an investigation. Given the timing it was the right thing to do. imo

    They suspend officers for pending investigations. This lad was fired, straight out.


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    #946
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,343 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Wrong, all that's about is the BLM rubbish going on

    It absolutely is. It’s a disgrace that cops can be fired so quickly here based off mass hysteria and mob violence. It shows nothing but cowardice and lack of character for those who can so quickly turn on their own..

    I am not saying they should not investigate, and then issue appropriate sanctions if necessary, but this knee jerk reaction to appease the mob is a sickening insult to those serving the state, the people and the uniform..


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    #947
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Overheal wrote: »
    They did do wrong. They used excessive force for the situation and were fired.

    the firing was 100% wrong as stated in the OP, without any form of due process.

    if what they did is morally right/wrong is unfortunately irrelevant. were they within the police code of conduct is all that matters?

    now, that is a different debate - whether that code needs to be changed or not.


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    #948
    Stablelad123
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭Stablelad123


    Overheal wrote: »
    They suspend officers for pending investigations. This lad was fired, straight out.

    Incorrect. He was "removed from duty". Do some reading ffs.


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    #949
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes


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    #950
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    walshb wrote: »
    It absolutely is. It’s a disgrace that cops can be fired so quickly here based off mass hysteria and mob violence. It shows nothing but cowardice and lack of character for those who can so quickly turn on their own..

    I am not saying they should not investigate, and then issue appropriate sanctions if necessary, but this knee jerk reaction to appease the mob is a sickening insult to those serving the state, the people and the uniform..

    “The mob” you mean the community that the police serve and protect.

    Frankly the standard is far too high: if an officer in the public trust loses the public trust they have no business being an officer for that public.

    16,999+ other departments for the officer to apply to.


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    #951
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,343 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Overheal wrote: »
    “The mob” you mean the community that the police serve and protect.

    Frankly the standard is far too high: if an officer in the public trust loses the public trust they have no business being an officer for that public.

    16,999+ other departments for the officer to apply to.

    No, I mean the mob. And you know it, too.


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    #952
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    vetinari wrote: »
    The police officer was fired because his life was not in danger.
    Overheal wrote: »
    They did do wrong. They used excessive force for the situation and were fired.
    The officer was fired before a formal investigation could be carried out.
    He hasn't received due process.
    To ascribe negative conclusions just on the basis that he was fired is flawed logic.


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    #953
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    walshb wrote: »
    No, I mean the mob. And you know it, too.

    Nope.


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    #954
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    vetinari wrote: »
    Seriously? What kind of action movie are you living in?
    Real life isn't GTA, nothing about the situation suggests he was going to carjack a car and go on some rampage.


    Btw, here is a police officer in Seattle saying that a taser is not considered a deadly weapon
    https://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2011/01/06/is-a-taser-attack-considered-an-attack-with-a-deadly-weapon/


    The police officer was fired because his life was not in danger.
    And again, this is real life. If Brooks somehow managed to get away, they have his details and his car. He's 99% likely to be apprehended the next day.

    He was a violent offender on parole, he had no reason to turn up at home. Child abusers are not popular in prison so maybe he was especially reluctant to return.

    I doubt it was suicide by cop, he was too drunk for that. Who knows he knew what pulling a weapon meant.


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    #955
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Wrong, all that's about is the BLM rubbish going on


    So you're saying that there isn't a problem with police violence?


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    #956
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    The officer was fired before a formal investigation could be carried out.
    He hasn't received due process.
    To ascribe negative conclusions just on the basis that he was fired is flawed logic.

    What is a formal investigation going to reveal? That the taser was filled with hollow point ammunition?


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    #957
    Stablelad123
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭Stablelad123


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    The officer was fired before a formal investigation could be carried out.
    He hasn't received due process.
    To ascribe negative conclusions just on the basis that he was fired is flawed logic.

    That poster is on a wind up. Hangs out on these threads 24/7.


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    #958
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    What is a formal investigation going to reveal? That the taser was filled with hollow point ammunition?

    That a taser is a weapon and the violent child abuser was threatening the lives of officers, additionally they could not be certain that the violent child abuser did not have a gun.

    When he pointed the weapon, he made it either them or him.

    No black cop will view this any differently.


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    #959
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    That a taser is a weapon and the violent child abuser was threatening the lives of officers, additionally they could not be certain that the violent child abuser did not have a gun.

    When he pointed the weapon, he made it either them or him.

    No black cop will view this any differently.

    What does blackness or being an alleged child abuser have to do with it


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    #960
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,772 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    So man with numerous other convictions including Torture of children, Drink drives, Police try to arresst him peaceful, he attacks them steal a taser and tries to use it on the police,
    ,I mentioned his previous as it shows he can not be trusted and liable to do anything, In the video he went from calm to nuts in the blink of the eye,

    The police where right to take no chances when he had a weapon and proved he was willing to use it

    His own actions caused His own death


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    #961
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    what if they let him run off and he uses the taser on some innocent passerby, would that be ok?


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