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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #962
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    What does blackness or being an alleged child abuser have to do with it

    He was convicted so not alleged.

    There are people saying he was shot because he was black, MSNBC made him sound like a saint who was shot unarmed.

    He was shot because he pointed a weapon at police, nothing else.

    The Mayor should be shaking their hands but instead it is the opposite.


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    #963
    punisher5112
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    Them officers wanted to go home alive.


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    #964
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    what if they let him run off and he uses the taser on some innocent passerby, would that be ok?

    No that would be assault and more charges for him. What an odd question.


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    #965
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    So man with numerous other convictions including Torture of children, Drink drives, Police try to arresst him peaceful, he attacks them steal a taser and tries to use it on the police,
    ,I mentioned his previous as it shows he can not be trusted and liable to do anything, In the video he went from calm to nuts in the blink of the eye,

    The police where right to take no chances when he had a weapon and proved he was willing to use it

    His own actions caused His own death

    It's the political and media reaction to this which is incredibly disturbing.

    The worst of the worst is made an innocent saint, driving on violence.


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    #966
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Overheal wrote: »
    No that would be assault and more charges for him. What an odd question.

    Odd question to you, cops are there to protect the public if they let him run off with the taser he was a danger to the public, keep up.


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    #967
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    He was convicted so not alleged.

    There are people saying he was shot because he was black, MSNBC made him sound like a saint who was shot unarmed.

    He was shot because he pointed a weapon at police, nothing else.

    The Mayor should be shaking their hands but instead it is the opposite.

    His standing convictions are irrelevant to the moment in hand, at the point he chose to resist arrest and wrestle the police all that matters is detaining the perp with the least continuum of force possible so justice for resisting arrest and stealing a weapon is meted out in court not splattered across the pavement.


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    #968
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Odd question to you, cops are there to protect the public if they let him run off with the taser he was a danger to the public, keep up.

    The public has been very vocal in objecting to the use of excessive force so square that up


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    #969
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I would have treated the situation the same.
    He already showed he was a threat.


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    #970
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,772 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The cops would have know he had priors or had just done something from his reactionto a simple traffic stop
    that would have make them more inclined to take no chances when he got there weapon


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    #971
    Overheal
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I would have treated the situation the same.
    He already showed he was a threat.

    Glad you wouldn’t pass the psychological evaluation in many academies.


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    #972
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Overheal wrote: »
    The public has been very vocal in objecting to the use of excessive force so square that up

    Im sure they wouldnt like some drunk career criminal running around with a cop taser, tasers have killed people before.


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    #973
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,772 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    His standing convictions are irrelevant to the moment in hand, at the point he chose to resist arrest and wrestle the police all that matters is detaining the perp with the least continuum of force possible so justice for resisting arrest and stealing a weapon is meted out in court not splattered across the pavement.

    Not when he tries to use it on them, he wrote his own story in that moment


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    #974
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Overheal wrote: »
    Glad you wouldn’t pass the psychological evaluation in many academies.

    Yes I would, I don't plan on ever having to kill but if it's warranted.

    I would usually like to use words first to Dr escalate but that ain't always going to work.


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    #975
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    The cops would have know he had priors or had just done something from his reactionto a simple traffic stop
    that would have make them more inclined to take no chances when he got there weapon

    While he was exceptionally bad, his actions that night alone ensured his death.


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    #976
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    His standing convictions are irrelevant to the moment in hand, at the point he chose to resist arrest and wrestle the police all that matters is detaining the perp with the least continuum of force possible so justice for resisting arrest and stealing a weapon is meted out in court not splattered across the pavement.

    His history just means we can be glad his family and community are now safer.

    It doesn't change the justification, pity he didn't want to go to court, his choice.


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    #977
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Im sure they wouldnt like some drunk career criminal running around with a cop taser, tasers have killed people before.

    Yes when cops used them. And even then it requires assault with the taser lasting quite a while, generally officers who murdered someone electrified their victims multiple times for extended durations. He wasn’t aiming it at any bystander. He was fleeing when he fired off a wild drunken shot behind him, which missed, and even if it had hit the probability of piercing a barb through a police uniform is low, and both barbs need to make the circuit. You can ward off a taser with thick pants and a hoodie nevermind a bullet proof vest.


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    #978
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    While he was exceptionally bad, his actions that night alone ensured his death.

    Alone my ass


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    #979
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    His history just means we can be glad his family and community are now safer.

    It doesn't change the justification, pity he didn't want to go to court, his choice.

    Cops choice ultimately.


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    #980
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yes when cops used them. And even then it requires assault with the taser lasting quite a while, generally officers who murdered someone electrified their victims multiple times for extended durations. He wasn’t aiming it at any bystander. He was fleeing when he fired off a wild drunken shot behind him, which missed, and even if it had hit the probability of piercing a barb through a police uniform is low, and both barbs need to make the circuit. You can ward off a taser with thick pants and a hoodie nevermind a bullet proof vest.

    Good that you agree that a taser can cause serious harm including death. He was danger to the public simple as, if hes willing to fight and rob a police officer hes willing to cause harm to the public.


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    #981
    I Am Nobody
    Closed Accounts Posts: 726 ✭✭✭I Am Nobody


    Just curious after reading up on this event.But why didn't the other officer deploy his taser,since the other officer's one was taken?I know hindsight and all,but surely that other officer would have considered it instead of allowing him to be shot in the back.Or am I confused on the situation?


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    #982
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Cops choice ultimately.

    Why didn't those working class people let the violent drunk shoot at them, didn't they know the outrage it would cause among rich white people.


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    #983
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    Why didn't those working class people let the violent drunk shoot at them, didn't they know the outrage it would cause among rich white people.

    Their choice, rich white people pay their bills.


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    #984
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    Just curious after reading up on this event.But why didn't the other officer deploy his taser,since the other officer's one was taken?I know hindsight and all,but surely that other officer would have considered it instead of allowing him to be shot in the back.Or am I confused on the situation?

    Why didn't he let a very violent man fire some weapon at them?

    Hmm


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    #985
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Their choice, rich white people pay their bills.

    Doesn't mean that they are expandable. Their lives secondary to the latest social concerns of the bourgeoisie.


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    #986
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    Just curious after reading up on this event.But why didn't the other officer deploy his taser,since the other officer's one was taken?I know hindsight and all,but surely that other officer would have considered it instead of allowing him to be shot in the back.Or am I confused on the situation?

    One of the tasers was fired 3 times, having 3 stored pairs of barns and I would assume one common energy pack. So the 2nd taser in the situation was empty, unless it had a stun gun/direct contact feature.


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    #987
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Danzy wrote: »
    Doesn't mean that they are expandable. Their lives secondary to the latest social concerns of the bourgeoisie.

    Nobody said their lives are expendable. Neither cops life was in danger of being expended when they chose to escalate to deadly force.


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    #988
    ronivek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    Just curious after reading up on this event.But why didn't the other officer deploy his taser,since the other officer's one was taken?I know hindsight and all,but surely that other officer would have considered it instead of allowing him to be shot in the back.Or am I confused on the situation?

    The officer who was chasing him had deployed his taser and was trying to shock him as he ran; it clearly didn't connect properly.

    From the video it looks to me like Rayshard Brooks fired the taser behind him in the direction of the chasing officer; at which point the chasing officer dropped his taser, drew his sidearm, and shot him as brooks continued trying to flee.


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    #989
    kippy
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    So you're saying that there isn't a problem with police violence?

    There's a problem with violence in general and as a result police violence.


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    #990
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    Just curious after reading up on this event.But why didn't the other officer deploy his taser,since the other officer's one was taken?I know hindsight and all,but surely that other officer would have considered it instead of allowing him to be shot in the back.Or am I confused on the situation?

    He did it missed


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    #991
    Righty
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Righty


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Apparently he wasn’t driving, he was asleep in the parking lot.
    Nobody says a taser isn’t a weapon, but the cops say it’s a non lethal weapon.

    I'm sorry but have you actually watched the bodycam footage? Clearly shows he is sitting in line for the drive thru, how do you get into a line of a drive thru without driving?


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