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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #992
    ronivek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Danzy wrote: »
    Doesn't mean that they are expandable. Their lives secondary to the latest social concerns of the bourgeoisie.

    I mean it looks like your fundamental belief is that anyone who has a negative interaction with police deserves to die; and it's their own fault for not obeying. In particular if you don't really like that individual; you're perfectly okay with them dying.

    Is there any police shooting or interaction you've seen which you find the behaviour of the officers to be in question? Or is it just your default to blindly support the "working class"?


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    #993
    Overheal
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    Righty wrote: »
    I'm sorry but have you actually watched the bodycam footage? Clearly shows he is sitting in line for the drive thru, how do you get into a line of a drive thru without driving?

    Everyone should be in agreement that the arrest was fully warranted.


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    #994
    Overheal
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    ronivek wrote: »
    I mean it looks like your fundamental belief is that anyone who has a negative interaction with police deserves to die; and it's their own fault for not obeying. In particular if you don't really like that individual; you're perfectly okay with them dying.

    Is there any police shooting or interaction you've seen which you find the behaviour of the officers to be in question? Or is it just your default to blindly support the "working class"?

    I will have to go look in the after hours archives - yeeeears ago an Irish lad with mental health issues was gunned down by police in Oregon. The natives on here had an utter fit, even though the Irish lad was “playing stupid games” people argued he did not deserve his stupid prize because lo and behold they felt empathy


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    #995
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,772 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    Nobody said their lives are expendable. Neither cops life was in danger of being expended when they chose to escalate to deadly force.

    I'd disagree a violent man with a taser, trying to shoot them is danger


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    #996
    Overheal
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I'd disagree a violent man with a taser, trying to shoot them is danger

    It’s danger it’s not deadly force.


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    #997
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,772 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    It’s danger it’s not deadly force.

    If they thought there life was in danger there free to use deadly force
    A violent man trying to taser you is a valid reason to feel like your life is in danger


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    #998
    Rows Grower
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Everyone should be in agreement that the arrest was fully warranted.

    You haven't met lawrencesummers yet, have you?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #999
    Limpy
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    RB was such a dumbass, but thats probably drink related.

    Grabbing a Taser and firing could incapacitate a cop, Which would enable the criminal to take his gun.

    George Floyd didn't deserve to die, but this dude jumped all over the fine line Between life and death.


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    #1000
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    Overheal wrote: »
    To be fair he could have been getting her nuggets. Nuggets have a cult following in the US.

    Nuggets near midnight? hahahaah


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    #1001
    Overheal
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    NotMOL wrote: »
    Nuggets near midnight? hahahaah

    Nuggets allll the time. Wendy’s stays open to 2am in almost urban areas if not later. They got that spicy nugget life with the siracha sauce, and it’s a bargain


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    #1002
    NotMOL
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Nuggets allll the time. Wendy’s stays open to 2am in almost urban areas if not later. They got that spicy nugget life with the siracha sauce, and it’s a bargain

    Spicy nuggets sound delicious...is there anywhere in Ireland that sells them?


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    #1003
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    ronivek wrote: »
    I mean it looks like your fundamental belief is that anyone who has a negative interaction with police deserves to die; and it's their own fault for not obeying. In particular if you don't really like that individual; you're perfectly okay with them dying.

    Is there any police shooting or interaction you've seen which you find the behaviour of the officers to be in question? Or is it just your default to blindly support the "working class"?

    No, I'd be quite severe on cops in Ireland and America .

    This is a clear cut case, he fired a weapon and he is dead.

    I got banned from politics ie for pointing out that the killer of Hugh Hehir, being so **** to that man's partner caught up with him.

    I'm not uncritical of the police or blindly for them by any means.

    When you use weapons m, anything can happen and Brooks lost his exchange.


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    #1004
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Danzy wrote: »
    No, but the target is so much bigger and the mass will stop the bullet travelling.

    Bullet will go through the most of a leg easily.

    So you are aiming at a target an Olympic shooter might miss and if you hit, it may have no effect and the bullet might bounce off the tarmac.
    yeah it's best to fire a load of rounds kill the suspect and risk the lives of bystanders, people in their cars and the people in the restaurant, get urself sacked and face a murder charge.
    Cops all round the world will use this as a template for dealing with guys asleep outside a chip shop.


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    #1005
    Overheal
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    NotMOL wrote: »
    Spicy nuggets sound delicious...is there anywhere in Ireland that sells them?

    TFIIK


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    #1006
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No, I'd be quite severe on cops in Ireland and America at times.
    Much of the senior force here were and are deeply corrupt. American police are often in power trips and they are militarized in a way no peace time police should be.

    This is a clear cut case, he fired a weapon and he is dead.

    I got banned from politics ie for pointing out that the killer of Hugh Hehir, being so **** to that man's partner caught up with him.

    I'm not uncritical of the police or blindly for them by any means.

    When you use weapons , anything can happen. Brooks paid that price.


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    #1007
    weldoninhio
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    fire 3 or 4 times at the upper body and miss do u think the bullet stops?

    Much bigger target. Seems these ones didn’t miss.


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    #1008
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,589 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Danzy wrote: »
    No, I'd be quite severe on cops in Ireland and America at times.
    Much of the senior force here were and are deeply corrupt. American police are often in power trips and they are militarized in a way no peace time police should be.

    This is a clear cut case, he fired a weapon and he is dead.

    I got banned from politics ie for pointing out that the killer of Hugh Hehir, being so **** to that man's partner caught up with him.

    I'm not uncritical of the police or blindly for them by any means.

    When you use weapons , anything can happen. Brooks paid that price.



    Posters keep repeating that he “fired at police” while conveniently omitting that he fired and missed with a non lethal weapon

    It’s the same if he had thrown a knife, or a bat, or a rock. Sure that could kill but in reality it doesn’t.


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    #1009
    punisher5112
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Posters keep repeating that he “fired at police” while conveniently omitting that he fired and missed with a non lethal weapon

    It’s the same if he had thrown a knife, or a bat, or a rock. Sure that could kill but in reality it doesn’t.

    Eh no he still had the weapon and it can be used again and again and .......


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    #1010
    ronivek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Danzy wrote: »

    I got banned from politics ie for pointing out that the killer of Hugh Hehir, being so **** to that man's partner caught up with him.

    What?

    You're saying you're critical of the shooting dead of Hugh Hehir; the IRA terrorist whose gang fired shots from an AK-47 at Gardai during the commission of an armed robbery? But not some guy who failed to successfully use a taser and was running away from police?


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    #1011
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Posters keep repeating that he “fired at police” while conveniently omitting that he fired and missed with a non lethal weapon

    It’s the same if he had thrown a knife, or a bat, or a rock. Sure that could kill but in reality it doesn’t.

    He took a shot, they took one back.

    He lost.

    Pity he didn't drop it and accept the consequences but his choice.


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    #1012
    weldoninhio
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    vetinari wrote: »
    There are two points that get raised again and again here that are completely bad faith arguments.

    1) A taser could have killed or seriously injured the cop. The people arguing this don't really believe this. They probably have no issue with a cop using a taser.

    2) The US has far more guns so this police stop is totally different to Ireland. The police in his situation had done a pat down for weapons.
    Brooks might still have had a weapon hidden on him but now within easy reach. The cop who shot him knew it was a taser that was being pointed at him.


    Disturbingly there are a lot of people here to view shooting someone as justifiable if they aim a taser at you.

    Police are trained in the proper use of tasers. If this guy was just a big cuddly teddy bear of a person, why did he steal the taser in the first place. Would it make him run faster? Did he think it would impart invisibility on him?? He knew exactly what he was up to. He would have taken down the cops given a chance.


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    #1013
    Overheal
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Eh no he still had the weapon and it can be used again and again and .......

    ...and it can’t. Carried 3 shots.


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    #1014
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    ronivek wrote: »
    What?

    You're saying you're critical of the shooting dead of Hugh Hehir; the IRA terrorist whose gang fired shots from an AK-47 at Gardai during the commission of an armed robbery? But not some guy who failed to successfully use a taser and was running away from police?

    Hugh was a volunteer engaged in an operation, he knew the risks and accepted them.

    Brooks knew weapons go both ways as well. Maybe he accepted it but a lot don't.


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    #1015
    Overheal
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    Danzy wrote: »
    He took a shot, they took one back.

    He lost.

    Pity he didn't drop it and accept the consequences but his choice.

    He took one non lethal shot they took three lethal shots

    You can’t even stick to the basic facts??


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    #1016
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Mattdhg wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/DOiKgmCJwls

    To be fair, it does look like the police were being reasonable enough until he started to struggle with the arrest. I guess the racism itself might come into play there as we've all been in situations where there was a nod and a wink and you're told to be on your way carefully. They could have handled the arrest a bit smoother all the same, like talking more about it before going to handcuff him.

    For anyone who doesn't want to watch the body cam footage, he says he was at his daughters birthday and his girlfriend dropped him back to the parking lot to drive himself home. He says he fell asleep in the car because he wasn't feeling well, and claims to have only drank 1.5 margaritas. He said he could just walk to his sisters house and to forget about the charge etc, but after a breathalyser they go to arrest him...

    The cops were called because his car was blocking the drive through at the Wendy's restaurant, the guy was driving drunk and fell asleep while in line to order


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    #1017
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    He took one non lethal shot they took three lethal shots

    You can’t even stick to the basic facts??

    They are trained to triple. Whether they took 1 or 7, he set the train in motion.


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    #1018
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,589 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Eh no he still had the weapon and it can be used again and again and .......

    And it only has a very short range, so it’s easy for the cops to keep their distance and be out of harms way.


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    #1019
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,589 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Danzy wrote: »
    He took a shot, they took one back.

    He lost.

    Pity he didn't drop it and accept the consequences but his choice.

    God forbid anyone points a nerf gun or a water pistol at you someday.


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    #1020
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,589 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Danzy wrote: »
    They are trained to triple. Whether they took 1 or 7, he set the train in motion.

    They are also trained to only use force when there is an imminent threat to life.


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    #1021
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    From watching the clip and how easy he was throwing the cops around it's pretty clearly they hadn't a clue how to subdue him.

    Two adult male cops should be able to subdue random drunk guy.

    I have seen videos of cops getting training at Gracie BJJ schools on the most efficient/safe way to control and detain an individual, this type of training should be mandatory.

    Need to give the cops the training and tools for the job


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