Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

lawrencesummers

Feisar wrote: »

Is this not one of those times where we collectively say: Darwin Award. Do not fúck about with someone with a gun unless you have a bigger one.

I’m pretty sure the prize that goes with a Darwin Award shouldn’t be death.

Donald Trump

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’m pretty sure the prize that goes with a Darwin Award shouldn’t be death.

By definition it is


(Darwin Award is where you remove yourself from the gene pool by an act of stupidity which generally means death....although it can also technically mean sterilisation!)

JJayoo

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Another fact that people are not considering here is the range of a Taser is 25 feet.

Considering he was a few car lengths away when the shot was fired he was at the limit of the range If not outside it for the non lethal weapon. Against a cop wearing a bullet proof vest that wouldn’t have transmitted the electric anyway.

That’s not to even mention it was being fired by a drunk person, running in the opposite direction

The taser wasn’t a danger to the Cop if he took stock of the situation.

This is getting a little bit pathetic

Feisar

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’m pretty sure the prize that goes with a Darwin Award shouldn’t be death.

It normally is though, the whole thing about a Darwin Award is that stupid gets weeded out.

weldoninhio

joseywhales wrote: »

He grabbed the tazer because he was afraid he was about to get tazered so he grabbed it, it's a very human reaction to being electrocuted, he is dead because of the incompetence of the police primarily, they looked as fit as a a bunch of sloths in comparison to the man they were trying to arrest.

So why not throw it away?? You seem to know an awful lot about what he was thinking. Electrocuted = dead. I think you mean shocked.

Rodin

He actually discharged the tazer at the cop.
Got what he deserved.

Feisar

JJayoo wrote: »

This is getting a little bit pathetic

Not really, if the same incident happened here he’d have been chased down and received a few licks of a baton or arrested later.
Over there, dead. Over what is really a Mickey Mouse offence.

weldoninhio

Feisar wrote: »

Not really, if the same incident happened here he’d have been chased down and received a few licks of a baton or arrested later.
Over there, dead. Over what is really a Mickey Mouse offence.

Didn’t happen over here though.

Feisar

weldoninhio wrote: »

Didn’t happen over here though.

I’m aware of that.

joseywhales

weldoninhio wrote: »

So why not throw it away?? You seem to know an awful lot about what he was thinking. Electrocuted = dead. I think you mean shocked.

I mean electrocuted thanks

​to injure or kill somebody by passing electricity through their body

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/electrocute

He didn't throw it away because it was the only thing he had to defend himself, remember he ran away, he didn't run toward them with the tazer

Danzy

joseywhales wrote: »

I mean electrocuted thanks

​to injure or kill somebody by passing electricity through their body

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/electrocute

He didn't throw it away because it was the only thing he had to defend himself, remember he ran away, he didn't run toward them with the tazer

He was defending himself?

vetinari

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I would say the other factor, apart from the empathy is the huge influence of US politics in the last few years in Ireland. Possibly because of social media. Both sides right and left.

Nobody I knew would have supported Bush in real life or on message boards, or the proportion would be tiny. Yet the support for Trump that you hear is surprising in a European country.

I think the overall attitude has seriously shifted to be more left/ right camps rather then looking at the issue. So if you are in the right camp then the police can do no wrong. If you are left you cannot question immigration.

So that could have an impact on the response over time. Not arguing that it's not empathy as well. I do think polarisation is also a factor.

Yeah, it's pretty stunning compared to say 10 years ago.
I left Ireland in 2006, been in Boston since. No one cared anywhere near this level of detail about internal US politics or incidents in 2006.
I do wonder if some of the posters on this site are actually Russian bots though. Also, having such strong pro police opinions about shootings when the Gardai are for the most part unarmed.



They're so similar to far right posters you'd see on reddit. They seem very out of place for Ireland considering the makeup of the Irish political parties.

Feisar

vetinari wrote: »

Yeah, it's pretty stunning compared to say 10 years ago.
I left Ireland in 2006, been in Boston since. No one cared anywhere near this level of detail about internal US politics or incidents in 2006.
I do wonder if some of the posters on this site are actually Russian bots though. Also, having such strong pro police opinions about shootings when the Gardai are for the most part unarmed.



They're so similar to far right posters you'd see on reddit. They seem very out of place for Ireland considering the makeup of the Irish political parties.

Russian bots?!? I’m as Irish as a 10-10-20 bag full of turf.

punisher5112

Why is it such big news, it's like the media has an agenda.
We rarely hear of anything happening in the USA but this has blown out of this world.

It has nothing to do with us and they are a free nation and can look after themselves.

We have much more pressing issues here that we can change but it seems nobody is willing or can't be bothered.


Bunch of young thugs going around intimidating others and wanting to cause damage to property and people....


Seriously like

NotMOL

"Las Vegas police officer shot in head during George Floyd protest is paralyzed from neck down"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shay-mikalonis-las-vegas-police-officer-shot-george-floyd-protest-paralyzed/

With the amount of guns in America cops there are always under threat

ronivek

vetinari wrote: »

They're so similar to far right posters you'd see on reddit. They seem very out of place for Ireland considering the makeup of the Irish political parties.

I think that's kinda the point; there isn't really much going on in terms of homegrown scandal. No Irish Water to rail against for example; and Trump's America is far more interesting.

Also I think it's a lot easier for certain people to dehumanize those involved in these stories and as such they feel much more comfortable in their opinions and notions of "right" and "wrong".

Overheal

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Because they dont kill or because they were certain that he would respect the use of force continuum and not repeatedly shock them over and over until the battery went?

If one drunk perp can stungun 2 officers and kill 1 with it before they can subdue them, then they certainly appear to be inadequately trained for the real world.

Overheal

Rodin wrote: »

He actually discharged the tazer at the cop.
Got what he deserved.

So the death penalty for assaulting a police officer?

ronivek

Overheal wrote: »

So the death penalty for assaulting a police officer?

And not just the death penalty (for which there are ways to subsequently avoid it); but summary execution decided by a single man.

Overheal

Danzy wrote: »

He was defending himself?

Yes, he was in retreat even.

nullzero

Rodin wrote: »

He actually discharged the tazer at the cop.
Got what he deserved.

I'm not sure dying was what he deserved. However if you take a police officers weapon and discharge it at them, in America of all places then you can expect to be shot.

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

If one drunk perp can stungun 2 officers and kill 1 with it before they can subdue them, then they certainly appear to be inadequately trained for the real world.

Maybe they need more funding to remedy this problem?

JJayoo

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

Very good video If someone can embed.

ShatterAlan

Black man found hanging from a tree.


Don't quite know the full circunmstances yet but it took 12 days for an autopsy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA9AHZhOl18

Overheal

ronivek wrote: »

And not just the death penalty (for which there are ways to subsequently avoid it); but summary execution decided by a single man.

No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

Overheal

nullzero wrote: »

Maybe they need more funding to remedy this problem?

The funding is there, the appropriate allocation is not.

Overheal

JJayoo wrote: »

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

Very good video If someone can embed.

Not really.

It's a parlor trick way of dazzling viewers eating dinner watching the evening news but that's about it. They sent in a rank amateur who didn't do any proper continuum of force, such as for the guy they roleplayed with the gun from behind the SUV, whereas a well trained officer would already be directing them not to face away etc. They also dress him like a woolly mammoth to imply to viewers that everyone cops run into is going to be immune to tasering. Not just cherrypicked but literally staged scenarios to put police in the best possible light.

lawrencesummers

vetinari wrote: »

Yeah, it's pretty stunning compared to say 10 years ago.
I left Ireland in 2006, been in Boston since. No one cared anywhere near this level of detail about internal US politics or incidents in 2006.
I do wonder if some of the posters on this site are actually Russian bots though. Also, having such strong pro police opinions about shootings when the Gardai are for the most part unarmed.



They're so similar to far right posters you'd see on reddit. They seem very out of place for Ireland considering the makeup of the Irish political parties.

A lot of that is media driven unfortunately, Trump Provides Easy headlines and plenty of clicks for media putlets over here, the reporting is never detailed or in depth, just a headline from whatever stupid thing he said at a press conference, never the actual full story.

lawrencesummers

JJayoo wrote: »

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

Very good video If someone can embed.

They should update it to see if those people shoot a person running away...

Rodin

Overheal wrote: »

So the death penalty for assaulting a police officer?

With a tazer he stole from him while resisting arrest for being drunk at the wheel.

How do we know in the instant that he turned and fired that the shooting cop could be certain he hadn't taken his colleague's gun in the struggle.
I personally wouldn't be waiting to find out. A decision had to be made by the police officer and I believe he made the correct one.
The criminal brought it all on himself. All of his own making.