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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #92
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    walshb wrote: »
    No. He completely lost his ****.

    The slating of cops here is ludicrous..

    Shoulda this, shoulda that....they are the cops. Not you. They are the ones in the line of fire here...

    It’s getting ridiculously out of hand here with people attacking police at every turn.

    Not anymore thank god, maybe now some some other person just asleep in a car won't end up being shot


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    #93
    Ardent
    Registered Users Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭Ardent


    I see the Atlanta police chief has been fired as well. Probably easier for the mayor to scapegoat, bow to cancel culture and preserve her political career than to protect her police department. New black Atlanta police chief in 3...2...1...


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    #94
    joe40
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    Peintre Celebre wrote: »
    So if the police know who the person is, they should just let people away when resisting arrest because they can go and get him again?

    If the only other option is killing him absolutely. That is what other police forced do.
    The PSNI in the north are all armed. Every one of them. When have you ever heard story like that coming from the north.

    Derry and Belfast have their fair share of ****head's.

    Some people just refuse to accept there is a problem with American policing and this is a good example.

    This sort of crime happens in every European country, only in America does it result in death.

    This affects all communities as well, not just black.


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    #95
    frag420
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    you seem to believe he was taken out. who's to say the officer who shot him wasn't aiming at his shoulder,arm,leg or whatever other part of the body that would stop the guy from leaving the scene.

    why didnt the guy just accept he was wrong,admit drink driving and get in the police car. like normal civilised folk do?

    Because he wasn't driving, he was sleeping in his car.

    Why didnt the police officer shout "freeze, we will shoot" or similar before shooting him as a normal civilised police force who are there to PROTECT and SERVE should do?


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    #96
    lawrencesummers
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    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    Firing

    I’ve said plenty on that already.


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    #97
    frag420
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    Ardent wrote: »
    I see the Atlanta police chief has been fired as well. Probably easier for the mayor to scapegoat, bow to cancel culture and preserve her political career than to protect her police department. New black Atlanta police chief in 3...2...1...

    Welcome to Boards Ivanka...


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    #98
    lawrencesummers
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    Ardent wrote: »
    I see the Atlanta police chief has been fired as well. Probably easier for the mayor to scapegoat, bow to cancel culture and preserve her political career than to protect her police department. New black Atlanta police chief in 3...2...1...

    Resigned not fired.


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    #99
    lawrencesummers
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    you seem to believe he was taken out. who's to say the officer who shot him wasn't aiming at his shoulder,arm,leg or whatever other part of the body that would stop the guy from leaving the scene.

    why didnt the guy just accept he was wrong,admit drink driving and get in the police car. like normal civilised folk do?

    Because he was shot three times in rapid succession.


    As for the second part, fear, stupidity, drunkenness or whatever else is going through a guys head that has just woke up after being drinking. Whatever mistakeS he made in not co-operating cost him his life ultimately.


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    #100
    zpehtsfd
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    frag420 wrote: »
    Do we know he fired a taser? Maybe it was the taser that the police had fired at him that was now obsolete and thus even less of a threat than normal?

    Aren't tasers meant to be non lethal, why use lethal force against something that is non lethal, eps when there are two of you there with lethal weapons?

    He turned around and fired it directly at the PO when he was fleeing. All caught on video.


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    #101
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    What I meant is he should have discussed it slowly and calmly before cuffing him... the man was drunk and probably a bit scared.

    They just said, "we're gonna cuff you now", and proceeded to put his hands behind his back. I think that was too abrupt for the situation and the current climate. The man got spooked by getting cuffed... he probably wasn't expecting it.

    The man was drunk and driving. He was asleep, in his car, in the ****ing line for the drive thru! He didn’t push his car there. The cops weren’t called because he was black. The cops didn’t shoot because he was black. This is no way similar to George Floyd.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-atlanta/protesters-burn-down-wendys-in-atlanta-after-police-shooting-idUSKBN23K0RI
    Friday’s shooting came after police were called to the Wendy’s over reports that Brooks had fallen asleep in the drive-thru line. Officers attempted to take him into custody after he failed a field sobriety test, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.


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    #102
    Nozebleed
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    joe40 wrote: »
    If the only other option is killing him absolutely. That is what other police forced do.
    The PSNI in the north are all armed. Every one of them. When have you ever heard story like that coming from the north.

    Derry and Belfast have their fair share of ****head's.

    Some people just refuse to accept there is a problem with American policing and this is a good example.

    This sort of crime happens in every European country, only in America does it result in death.

    This affects all communities as well, not just black.



    some people refuse to believe there is a problem with crime when it comes to african american community.

    this is where the real problem is...sad but its the truth.


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    #103
    Fuascailteoir
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    frag420 wrote: »
    Because he wasn't driving, he was sleeping in his car.

    Why didnt the police officer shout "freeze, we will shoot" or similar before shooting him as a normal civilised police force who are there to PROTECT and SERVE should do?

    If you are drunk in Ireland and sitting behind the steering wheel you will be arrested for drink driving, even if asleep. Probably the same in the states


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    #104
    lawrencesummers
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    some people refuse to believe there is a problem with crime when it comes to african american community.

    this is where the real problem is...sad but its the truth.


    That’s post won’t be topped for ignorance all day I reckon.


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    #105
    Nozebleed
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    this guy would still be alive and well today if he just complied with the law. he decided to assault a police officer and take one of his weapons.


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    #106
    lawrencesummers
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    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    He turned around and fired it directly at the PO when he was fleeing. All caught on video.

    None of the videos show it being fired Directly.


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    #107
    Ardent
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Resigned not fired.

    Same thing


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    #108
    frag420
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    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    He turned around and fired it directly at the PO when he was fleeing. All caught on video.

    Evidence for this please?

    Do you know for a fact that it was a loaded taser he took ands not the taser that had been used on him in which case it was now obsolete and was no danger whatsoever unless thrown at them!

    And again, a taser is a non lethal weapon.

    Why use lethal force against non lethal force, it makes no sense?


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    #109
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    frag420 wrote: »
    Do we know he fired a taser? Maybe it was the taser that the police had fired at him that was now obsolete and thus even less of a threat than normal?

    Aren't tasers meant to be non lethal, why use lethal force against something that is non lethal, eps when there are two of you there with lethal weapons?

    I have to watch the Wendy CCTV again but to me it looked as though the taser he had stolen was fired and the cop nearerst to him falls against a car. Has there been an enhanced version of the video yet?

    On CNN last night they also had a guy state that tasers have ability to be fired more than once. I’ll need to double check that.


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    #110
    lawrencesummers
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    this guy would still be alive and well today if he just complied with the law. he decided to assault a police officer and take one of his weapons.

    That guy would also be alive today if the police had followed their procedures.


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    #111
    zpehtsfd
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    None of the videos show it being fired Directly.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1271940313553055745

    You will see the moment the taser is fired (flash of light) directly at the PO.


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    #112
    lawrencesummers
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    Ardent wrote: »
    Same thing

    Nope.


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    #113
    joe40
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    some people refuse to believe there is a problem with crime when it comes to african american community.

    this is where the real problem is...sad but its the truth.

    Everybody accepts there is a problem with crime. Everybody.

    Ireland has a problem with crime, gangland killings, bodies been cut up before disposal.
    Burglary, assaults, torture intimidation, we've got them all.

    Resisting arrest? Frequently

    We still don't have a police force that kills people as regularly as America.

    The first step in curing a problem, is admitting there is a problem.

    Some are incapable of that.


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    #114
    frag420
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    Fuascailteoir wrote: »
    If you are drunk in Ireland and sitting behind the steering wheel you will be arrested for drink driving, even if asleep. Probably the same in the states

    How about you find out then...Il give you some help to get you moving...

    https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resources/can-i-get-a-dui-for-sitting-in-a-parked-car-while-drunk.html

    Can I Get a DUI for Sitting in a Parked Car While Drunk?

    The DUI laws of many states apply if you were in "actual physical control" of a vehicle—even if you weren’t actually driving.
    By Joshua Egan



    Do you have pending DUI charges?
    Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs is illegal in every state. But what if you get caught drunk behind the wheel of a parked car? It surprises many drivers (especially those who pull over to "sleep it off") to learn that the DUI laws of most states also prohibit drivers from "operating" or being in "actual physical control" of a car while under the influence. In other words, you can get a DUI without actually driving.

    Operating or in Actual Physical Control
    In states that don’t require actual driving for a DUI conviction, the prosecution still needs to prove the motorist was operating or in actual physical control of a vehicle. (Learn about all the elements of a DUI that the prosecution has to prove.)

    State laws differ, but most states require juries to look at the "totality of the circumstances" to determine whether the drunk motorist was operating or in actual physical control of the vehicle. In other words, the jury is supposed to consider all the surrounding circumstances. These often include the:

    location of the driver

    location of the car

    location of the keys

    whether the car’s engine was running, and

    whether the driver was awake or asleep.

    Basically, a jury will be asked to decide whether the motorist was close enough to being able to set the car in motion that it presented a danger to the public.

    Location of the Driver
    A driver’s physical proximity to the vehicle—more specifically, the ignition of the vehicle—is an important consideration in determining whether the driver was operating or in actual physical control. The closer the driver was to being able to start up the car, the more likely the jury is to convict. So, for instance, the chances of conviction are higher for a motorist who was in the driver’s seat than a motorist who was asleep in the backseat.

    Location of the Car
    Car location is another key factor juries consider. If you were parked in your own driveway, you might escape responsibility. But a jury isn’t likely to be sympathetic to a motorist found parked in the middle of a roadway or on a sidewalk downtown. Basically, the car's location gives the jury an indication of whether the person was driving before police showed up and how much of a risk the person posed to the public.

    Location of the Keys
    Most cars require keys to start the engine. So, the location of the keys is important for assessing whether the driver was operating or in actual physical control of the vehicle. If the driver didn't have keys readily accessible, a jury might be unwilling to convict. But a driver who had the keys within reach or in the ignition won’t likely fare well with this issue at trial.

    Whether the Car’s Engine Was Running
    Being caught with the car engine running generally hurts a motorist’s chances of beating a DUI charge. With the engine running, the motorist is just a step away from putting the car in gear and driving away. However, other circumstances, including the driver's location, might also come into play here. For example, a motorist who was found asleep in the back seat on a cold night might be able to convince a jury that it was necessary to keep the engine running for heating the interior of the car.

    Whether the Driver Was Awake or Asleep
    Some states have a bright-line rule that says a driver must be awake to be operating or in actual physical control of a vehicle. But in most states, whether a driver was awake or asleep is just another factor for the jury to consider in looking at the overall situation.


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    #115
    frag420
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    I have to watch the Wendy CCTV again but to me it looked as though the taser he had stolen was fired and the cop nearerst to him falls against a car. Has there been an enhanced version of the video yet?

    On CNN last night they also had a guy state that tasers have ability to be fired more than once. I’ll need to double check that.

    Good idea...


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    #116
    zpehtsfd
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    That guy would also be alive today if the police had followed their procedures.

    Your OP was so reasoned that it's hard to believe you are now saying something like this.


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    #117
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,589 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    Your OP was so reasoned that it's hard to believe you are now saying something like this.

    Thanks


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    frag420 wrote: »
    Good idea...

    Oh but one more time.

    HE FELL ASLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVE THRU LINE. HE WAS NOT PARKED!


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    #119
    weldoninhio
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    Mattdhg wrote: »
    This is the CCTV from the Wendy's where it all happened https://youtu.be/2Z1HCJpo4N4

    To me, it looks like Rayshard was being chased by Officer A and turns around and successfully tases him because the officer slams into the car. Officer B is getting up from where they had the initial struggle with him, sees Rayshard with the taser out and shoots him while running over.

    Thats just my impression of the video... If its right then you would have a lot more sympathy for the police involved

    Justified kill. He shot a cop with a taser. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.


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    #120
    lawrencesummers
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    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1271940313553055745

    You will see the moment the taser is fired (flash of light) directly at the PO.

    It looks like something was fired alright, I just don’t see how you can say “direct” From a sideward angle.

    What is clear from that video is that taser fired or not, it didn’t have any effect on the officer who was able to continue following the suspect.


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    #121
    lawrencesummers
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Justified kill. He shot a cop with a taser. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

    Shot the cop? Or shot at the cop?


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