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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #1562
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    What happened George Floyd was wrong but I've no sympathy for Brooks. The police should take a few days off and let the black lives matter movement look after things. When the Police return the silent majority might speak out.


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    #1563
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    But it wasn't the "most bizarre sh!T hitting the fan moment," was it? In fact, unjustified police brutality has happened so many times that the BLM movement was founded and the police dept has fired this officer and the US government including the president has announced inappropriate police bias and brutality and are implementing reforms. Trump has even just signed an executive order furthering that goal. Tasers aren't weapons of death, guns are, and that was fired into his BACK multiple times as he was fleeing.
    Black people are 3 times more likely to be shot and killed than white people so until black lives are treated the same as white people's - we'll say Black Lives Matter. Because they're treated as if they don't matter.

    It is bizarre because it goes from pleasant conversation to violence for no apparent reason.

    There was no brutality and the first person in that to react with violence is the "victim".

    And are you seriously suggesting that just because Rolffe was fired means his bosses think he did wrong? Sure because no one ever gets unjustly treated in a situation because of politics, social pressure, etc

    :rolleyes:


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    #1564
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    It is the intent that counts.Not whether he hit or not.

    So it would count as the death penalty in a court? I don't think so.


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    #1565
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Overheal wrote: »
    I am. He was fleeing.


    Well, he shouldn't have
    The Police will go after a man who refuses to be arrested, he should have known better


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    #1566
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Danzy wrote: »
    Child abusers do get a rough time in prison.

    If he was so frightened of Covid19 he should have stayed at home, instead of out at a bar and hotel.

    Where is the news reports that Brooks was a sexual deviant and has served time for this?


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    #1567
    I Am Nobody
    Closed Accounts Posts: 726 ✭✭✭I Am Nobody


    Overheal wrote: »
    So it would count as the death penalty in a court? I don't think so.

    I just can't fathom that level of ignorance so I won't leave a reply.


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    #1568
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Well, he shouldn't have
    The Police will go after a man who refuses to be arrested, he should have known better

    Not with deadly force for fleeing, though.


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    #1569
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    He's not a child abuser. His wife and mother of his children has spoken out against their unimaginable loss and his daughter was waiting for him the next day in her birthday dress to be collected by her dad to celebrate her birthday with skating, He's entitled to do whatever he wants in his personal life. Or are you going to level your judgement at every Irish parent who hold their child's communions and confirmations in Irish pubs?

    Family violence battery. Guilty.


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    #1570
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Before you bring in the race argument let's focus for a moment on the why a man is felling from the police and what consequences this might have, regardless of color

    I'm not bringing in the race element. It's already there despite your uniformed (and Irish?) opinion on the matter. The cop who killed him was fired. The US government and President has acknowledged the huge issues with racism and bias and police brutality within the force. If you have an issue with that? Take it up with the leaders of the country this case actually resides in.


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    #1571
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Rodin wrote: »
    Family violence battery. Guilty.

    Guilty of DUI by death penalty? Nope. That isn't an actual legal process. Since the cop who killed him was FIRED.
    Not guilty by way of glowing personal accounts of his colleagues and his own family. Including his wife, and the mother of their children. Who said that upon learning of his death she collapsed to her knees in grief. Cop on.


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    #1572
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    I just can't fathom that level of ignorance so I won't leave a reply.

    Because you can't. Since the cop who killed him was FIRED.


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    #1573
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    I just can't fathom that level of ignorance so I won't leave a reply.

    #BlueWallofSilence


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    #1574
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I'm not bringing in the race element. It's already there despite your uniformed (and Irish?) opinion on the matter. The cop who killed him was fired. The US government and President has acknowledged the huge issues with racism and bias and police brutality within the force. If you have an issue with that? Take it up with the leaders of the country this case actually resides in.

    Take it up with Donald Trump! That sums it all up. Everyone is in it for what they can get out of it. The cop has been shafted for others careers. He did his job in difficult circumstances.


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    #1575
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I was watching Trevor Noah's report on this.

    He was not watching the same video I saw and news reports state that Brooks had fallen asleep at the drive through queue - so he wasn't pulling in because he was too drunk to drive? He was there to get food?

    I disagree with Trevor Noah. Driving drunk is nothing minor.


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    #1576
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Guilty of DUI by death penalty? Nope. That isn't an actual legal process. Since the cop who killed him was FIRED.
    Not guilty by way of glowing personal accounts of his colleagues and his own family. Including his wife, and the mother of their children. Who said that upon learning of his death she collapsed to her knees in grief. Cop on.


    Guilty of DUI would have resulted in arrest, instead he decided to fight against the cops. You forgot that part
    As for the family drama, sorry but that's irrelevant. If you get arrested you are expected to collaborate with the police whether you have family waiting for you or not


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    #1577
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Overheal wrote: »
    #BlueWallofSilence

    #haterswillbehaters


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    #1578
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Green Peter wrote: »
    What happened George Floyd was wrong but I've no sympathy for Brooks. The police should take a few days off and let the black lives matter movement look after things. When the Police return the silent majority might speak out.

    The Majority are speaking out, and they aren't silent either. All 50 states have held massive demonstrations. Global solidarity across the world has seen massive protests. Current US leaders of the Senate both Democrat and Republican have spoken out and are now working on police reform. As is the US President.
    "Silent majority" what?


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    #1579
    I Am Nobody
    Closed Accounts Posts: 726 ✭✭✭I Am Nobody


    Rodin wrote: »
    Family violence battery. Guilty.

    Of course they wouldn't. And I am not being racist at all,but they are singing his praises in the hopes of a wrongful death lawsuit against the city.None of them are mentioning the crappy way he treated them now.


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    #1580
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Green Peter wrote: »
    #haterswillbehaters

    Yes you will.


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    #1581
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I'm not bringing in the race element. It's already there despite your uniformed (and Irish?) opinion on the matter. The cop who killed him was fired. The US government and President has acknowledged the huge issues with racism and bias and police brutality within the force. If you have an issue with that? Take it up with the leaders of the country this case actually resides in.


    Who is the racist here?


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    #1582
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Because you can't. Since the cop who killed him was FIRED.

    Getting fired does not mean he guilty of wrong doing.

    Plenty of people get shafted for reasons like politics, etc


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    #1583
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    The Majority are speaking out, and they aren't silent either. All 50 states have held massive demonstrations. Global solidarity across the world has seen massive protests. Current US leaders of the Senate both Democrat and Republican have spoken out and are now working on police reform. As is the US President.
    "Silent majority" what?

    Dream on! There's an election coming in November. It's politics


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    #1584
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    Of course they wouldn't. And I am not being racist at all,but they are singing his praises in the hopes of a wrongful death lawsuit against the city.None of them are mentioning the crappy way he treated them now.

    His own family are SINGING his praises. Too bad that doesn't fit your obvious agenda. There is a wrongful death that happened here, which is only too obvious since the police dept the cop worked for FIRED him.
    It's funny how many racists usually start a sentence by saying, "I'm not being racist, but..." :pac:


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    #1585
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Getting fired does not mean he guilty of wrong doing.

    Plenty of people get shafted for reasons like politics, etc

    and for using excessive force :rolleyes:


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    #1586
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Getting fired does not mean he guilty of wrong doing.

    Plenty of people get shafted for reasons like politics, etc

    That's exactly what it means. Despite the powerful police union and all.

    Post your proof or source that it was only political and not based off of disregarded police training and policy.


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    #1587
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    His own family are SINGING his praises. Too bad that doesn't fit your obvious agenda. There is a wrongful death that happened here, which is only too obvious since the police dept the cop worked for FIRED him.
    It's funny how many racists usually start a sentence by saying, "I'm not being racist, but..." :pac:

    Money money money


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    #1588
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    His own family are SINGING his praises. Too bad that doesn't fit your obvious agenda. There is a wrongful death that happened here, which is only too obvious since the police dept the cop worked for FIRED him.
    It's funny how many racists usually start a sentence by saying, "I'm not being racist, but..." :pac:

    Was he not done for cruelty to children? Odd they are now singing his praises.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #1589
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Guilty of DUI by death penalty? Nope. That isn't an actual legal process. Since the cop who killed him was FIRED.
    Not guilty by way of glowing personal accounts of his colleagues and his own family. Including his wife, and the mother of their children. Who said that upon learning of his death she collapsed to her knees in grief. Cop on.

    Thankfully the courts opinion trumps hers.
    Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

    The cop did the family a favour. At least they won't get a battering again.


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    #1590
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    His own family are SINGING his praises. Too bad that doesn't fit your obvious agenda. There is a wrongful death that happened here, which is only too obvious since the police dept the cop worked for FIRED him.
    It's funny how many racists usually start a sentence by saying, "I'm not being racist, but..." :pac:


    Your comment about having an "Irish" opinion makes you the biggest offender here with regards to racism
    The family can praise him as long as they want, he still wrestled against 2 cops and ran from being arrested. A responsible father? nope


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    #1591
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,343 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    His own family are SINGING his praises. Too bad that doesn't fit your obvious agenda. There is a wrongful death that happened here, which is only too obvious since the police dept the cop worked for FIRED him.
    It's funny how many racists usually start a sentence by saying, "I'm not being racist, but..." :pac:

    Plenty people sing praises about people with nasty histories..

    Not sure what your point is..

    Sure isn’t that the single biggest issue with domestic violence and the likes..

    Victims singing the praises of abusers. Covering for them and lying for them and withdrawing complaints and charges...

    No wonder society can be reluctant at times to get involved.


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