Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

Spon Farmer

Stateofyou wrote: »

That's exactly what it means. Despite the police union and all.

No it does not mean that.

There are loads of factors involved and you cannot possibly know them all.

You are saying that is what is it means as though you are inside the ends of all those involved.

You are not

Overheal

Rodin wrote: »

Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

Ever heard of the Stanford Experiment?

Spon Farmer

Stateofyou wrote: »

That's exactly what it means. Despite the powerful police union and all.

Post your proof or source that it was only political and not based off of disregarded police training and policy.

I never said it was "only political".

Don't you know what et cetera means? :rolleyes:

I stated very clearly that getting fired does not mean that Rolffe is guilty of wrong doing nor that his bosses believe he is.

At no point did I say he did nothing wrong.

The only one of speaking in absolutes is you.

You are saying he got fired so he is guilty. No other reason.

So it is you who needs to provide the proof.

Stateofyou

Green Peter wrote: »

Dream on! There's an election coming in November. It's politics

So the research and statistics by independent gov't bodies and university & independent institutions showing police bias are completely besides the reality of politics? No. The political system is acknowledging the reality of the will of the people as they rightly should in any democracy worthy of the name.
The American people, especially the American people of colour know that racist bias exists as well as the greater public pressure together with the advent of new smartphone recording technology has brought about this change. It can no longer be dismissed or denied. The whole world has now seen the capability and the bias that exists in the US police force and the Global pressure together with the American protests are finally enacting change that is too long overdue. The US government has acknowledged the bias as well as the US president. This is bigger than politics.
Next.

Rodin

Overheal wrote: »

Ever heard of the Stanford Experiment?

No relevance here.

Overheal

Rodin wrote: »

No relevance here.

Neither does the Stockholm Syndrome yet you saw fit to bring it up :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Stateofyou

Spon Farmer wrote: »

I never said it was "only political".

Don't you know what et cetera means? :rolleyes:

I stated very clearly that getting fired does not mean that Rolffe is guilty of wrong doing nor that his bosses believe he is.

At no point did I say he did nothing wrong.

The only one of speaking in absolutes is you.

You are saying he got fired so he is guilty. No other reason.

So it is you who needs to provide the proof.

Exactly.
So what is that 'etc?' Just say it plainly. :rolleyes:
Getting fired means exactly that. In spite of a very powerful police union and US legislation that protects police in the course of their duty.
I need to provide proof that he was fired because he did not do his job correctly?
The proof that happened is now common knowledge, it is for you to provide proof that the police force acted in mere political motives and not violation of policy. LOL

Mic 1972

Stateofyou wrote: »

So the research and statistics by independent gov't bodies and university & independent institutions showing police bias are completely besides the reality of politics? No. The political system is acknowledging the reality of the will of the people as they rightly should in any democracy worthy of the name.
The American people, especially the American people of colour know that racist bias exists as well as the greater public pressure together with the advent of new smartphone recording technology has brought about this change. It can no longer be dismissed or denied. The whole world has now seen the capability and the bias that exists in the US police force and the Global pressure together with the American protests are finally enacting change that is too long overdue. The US government has acknowledged the bias as well as the US president. This is bigger than politics.
Next.

You are deflecting. We are still talking about a man who ran from the Police, who cares what color? He knew what she was doing and what consequences this might have.

Unless you are suggesting that people of color should get a special pass

Stateofyou

Spon Farmer wrote: »

No it does not mean that.

There are loads of factors involved and you cannot possibly know them all.

You are saying that is what is it means as though you are inside the ends of all those involved.

You are not

What are those "loads of factors" involved? I'll wait to hear your own insider knowledge.

Stateofyou

walshb wrote: »

Plenty people sing praises about people with nasty histories..

Not sure what your point is..

Sure isn’t that the single biggest issue with domestic violence and the likes..

Victims singing the praises of abusers. Covering for them and lying for them and withdrawing complaints and charges...

No wonder society can be reluctant at times to get involved.

Like the ones who engaged in slave trading and have statues in many town centre's? hahaha. These praises come from the closest people in his life. Too bad you don't like that. But you seem to feel entitled to speak for them as if you know them. And why would anyone do that once he's gone? His wife of 8 years, his dad, his siblings and his colleagues. Yeah, they're all in on the conspiracy. LOL

Mic 1972

Stateofyou wrote: »

Exactly.
So what is that 'etc?' Just say it plainly. :rolleyes:
Getting fired means exactly that. In spite of a very powerful police union and US legislation that protects police in the course of their duty.
I need to provide proof that he was fired because he did not do his job correctly?
The proof that happened is now common knowledge, it is for you to provide proof that the police force acted in mere political motives and not violation of policy. LOL

Before questioning the policy and whether the police acted accordingly, what about taking accountability for personal behavior? The man attacked two cops and ran. If he had collaborated with the police during the arrest he now would be celebrating his daughter's birthday with family. Too bad he acted like an idiot

Stateofyou

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You are deflecting. We are still talking about a man who ran from the Police, who cares what color? He knew what she was doing and what consequences this might have.

Unless you are suggesting that people of color should get a special pass

People of colour care about colour. Because they're affected. And so do their allies. Only whities with white privilege say "who cares about colour." :rolleyes: You don't care because you don't have to endure racism because of the colour of your skin. Racism and bias which was confirmed by the US GOVERNMENT AND THE US PRESIDENT.

Mic 1972

Stateofyou wrote: »

Like the ones who engaged in slave trading and have statues in many town centre's? hahaha. These praises come from the closest people in his life. Too bad you don't like that. But you seem to feel entitled to speak for them as if you know them. And why would anyone do that once he's gone? His wife of 8 years, his dad, his siblings and his colleagues. Yeah, they're all in on the conspiracy. LOL

He did that to himself. Time to call a spade a spade

Stateofyou

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Before questioning the policy and whether the police acted accordingly, what about taking accountability for personal behavior? The man attacked two cops and ran. If he had collaborated with the police during the arrest he now would be celebrating his daughter's birthday with family. Too bad he acted like an idiot

Why does this have to keep being reiterated? Are you new to the thread, can't read, or can't accept the points already made or what?
He. Was. Drunk. He. Was. Scared. Due to the reality of police bias and brutality that exists as confirmed by research and their own government and President?
If the police had done their actual job, he would be celebrating his daughters birthday with his family. But they didn't, so too bad they got fired like the idiots they are.

Stateofyou

Mic 1972 wrote: »

He did that to himself. Time to call a spade a spade

Let's call the spade a spade alright. You're a keyboard warrior in a foreign country who doesn't know him. But his family and his colleagues actually do.
What else you got.

Mic 1972

Stateofyou wrote: »

People of colour care about colour. Because they're affected. And so do their allies. Only whities with white privilege say "who cares about colour." :rolleyes: You don't care because you don't have to endure racism because of the colour of your skin. Racism and bias which was confirmed by the US GOVERNMENT AND THE US PRESIDENT.

People of colour are badly represented by this guy Brooks

walshb

Stateofyou wrote: »

Like the ones who engaged in slave trading and have statues in many town centre's? hahaha. These praises come from the closest people in his life. Too bad you don't like that. But you seem to feel entitled to speak for them as if you know them. And why would anyone do that once he's gone? His wife of 8 years, his dad, his siblings and his colleagues. Yeah, they're all in on the conspiracy. LOL

You’re going off on a mad one.

Simple: plenty people sing the praises of people who never deserve those praises..

His final act in life was clearly of a person most unworthy of praise..that’s what I know.

Mic 1972

Stateofyou wrote: »

Let's call the spade a spade alright. You're a keyboard warrior in a foreign country who doesn't know him. But his family and his colleagues actually do.
What else you got.

Since when having friends and family makes an offense less severe?
Would it matter if he didn't have a family instead?
This guy can not be defended, you need to find a better example to use as evidence of police bias

Stateofyou

Mic 1972 wrote: »

People of colour are badly represented by this guy Brooks

Are you a person of colour? Don't speak for them if you're not. ACTUAL people of colour have spoken for him including his family, friends, the BLM movement and their allies. The police dept the killer cop worked for also fired him. And the US government and President acknowledged major issues in the US police form and have started to implement massive reform.

Don't speak for people or a country that you're not a part of. Take a seat.

Mic 1972

walshb wrote: »

You’re going off on a mad one.

Simple: plenty people sing the praises of people who never deserve those praises..

His final act in life was clearly of a person most unworthy of praise..that’s what I know.

I couldn't have said it better

BattleCorp

Overheal wrote: »

It helps to deal with facts. The altercations details are facts. Implying he is some rabid subhuman monster who will run away from the scene and torture babies is fantasy and utterly not helpful to a meaningful discussion.

It's also unhelpful to claim that posters aid he was running away to torture babies.

Lets stick with facts.

I don't give a fcuk what he did before the night he was shot. That had nothing to do with why he was shot. Leave out all the subhuman, baby torturing stuff. Lets look at the night he was shot.

The altercation details are fact. Therefore the resisting arrest, assaulting two police officers, stealing a taser, pointing it at an officer and firing it are fact.

These facts lead me to believe that the officers felt under threat and therefore were justified in using deadly force to protect themselves.

Brooks was the architect of his own misfortune.

Stateofyou

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Since when having friends and family makes an offense less severe?
Would it matter if he didn't have a family instead?
This guy can not be defended, you need to find a better example to use as evidence of police bias

This guy is defended, by his family and his friends and his senseless death is supported by the police department that FIRED the cop who killed him as well as the US government who has acknowledged there is a problem and is finally addressing the systemic bias that needs to change.

Stateofyou

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's also unhelpful to claim that posters aid he was running away to torture babies.

Lets stick with facts.

I don't give a fcuk what he did before the night he was shot. That had nothing to do with why he was shot. Leave out all the subhuman, baby torturing stuff. Lets look at the night he was shot.

The altercation details are fact. Therefore the resisting arrest, assaulting two police officers, stealing a taser, pointing it at an officer and firing it are fact.

These facts lead me to believe that the officers felt under threat and therefore were justified in using deadly force to protect themselves.

Brooks was the architect of his own misfortune.

Who cares what some Irish bloke believes? The US police department who employed him are the authorities here and they disagree, and he was fired.

Rodin

Stateofyou wrote: »

This guy is defended, by his family and his friends and his senseless death is supported by the police department that FIRED the cop who killed him as well as the US government who has acknowledged there is a problem and is finally addressing the systemic bias that needs to change.

If he hadn't resisted arrest (a legal arrest as he was DUI) he'd be alive today and that was only the 1st thing he did wrong. His own fault.

Mic 1972

Stateofyou wrote: »

Are you a person of colour? Don't speak for them if you're not. ACTUAL people of colour have spoken for him including his family, friends, the BLM movement and their allies. The police dept the killer cop worked for also fired him. And the US government and President acknowledged major issues in the US police form and have started to implement massive reform.

Don't speak for people or a country that you're not a part of. Take a seat.

I keep seeing a lot of racism in your posts mate, this is the second comment after the one about "Irish" opinion. You sure you are not the one with the bias?

walshb

Stateofyou wrote: »

This guy is defended, by his family and his friends and his senseless death is supported by the police department that FIRED the cop who killed him as well as the US government who has acknowledged there is a problem and is finally addressing the systemic bias that needs to change.

But still we all know that Brooks created the situation, escalated it, turned it deadly and ended up dead...

But hey, he’s a hero. Loved by his family..

At least no policemen lost their lives here. That, we should all be grateful for!

weldoninhio

Green Peter wrote: »

Money money money

Sure at the first press conference his brother put a shout out to any celeb that wanted to pay for the funeral ffs.

Rodin

Stateofyou wrote: »

Are you a person of colour? Don't speak for them if you're not. ACTUAL people of colour have spoken for him including his family, friends, the BLM movement and their allies. The police dept the killer cop worked for also fired him. And the US government and President acknowledged major issues in the US police form and have started to implement massive reform.

Don't speak for people or a country that you're not a part of. Take a seat.

If I were black I certainly wouldn't want to be associated with Brooks simply because we had the same skin colour.

BattleCorp

Stateofyou wrote: »

That is total bs and lacking any empathy. It's also painfully obvious that you aren't listening to the stories and fears of any black people, particularly in the US. Black parents have conversations with their kids from a young age of how to conduct themselves to try to avoid the worst of the bias and violence. From the topic of shopping to driving to interacting with police. Racism is something they live with every day. The top leaders of the US government admit there is a huge problem with policing and bias and the black community knows this- Intimately. They're having the conversations. They're living with the fear. They're seeing their loved ones impacted in this systemically racist system in a very real way. And now they're contending with the horrible violent videos on their social media feeds of black people like them murdered in cold blood, some in their beds, some are 12 years old with a toy gun, some are selling cd's, some are wearing a hoody and walking home with their candy, some are driving with their families or jogging. ETC ETC ETC. That is the problem.
He obviously chose plan b when he was going to be arrested, because he fears for his life, legitimately, and he. was. drunk. He didn't deserve to lose his life and become another hashtag. 4 more kids who don't have a dad. Some people need to find some empathy or learn how to develop the empathy they never had. Smh.

It's pretty clear that you are an apologist for someone breaking the law multiple times on the one night. You are blaming the cops for everything and apportioning no blame to Brooks.

You are pretty much saying that because of racism, Brooks is excused from his actions?

You talk about empathy. How about personal responsibility. Brooks should have thought about the consequences of his actions before he was drunk behind the wheel of the car, before he resisted arrest, before he assaulted two police officers, before he stole a police issue taser, before he fired it at a police officer. He wasn't thinking of his kids then, was he?

Stateofyou

walshb wrote: »

You’re going off on a mad one.

Simple: plenty people sing the praises of people who never deserve those praises..

His final act in life was clearly of a person most unworthy of praise..that’s what I know.

So his colleagues and family aren't the authority here, you are, as some IRISH keyboard warrior who never knew him? But "you know" something...hahahhaha
Yeah delusions of grandeur that's what you know. As if your opinion means anything in a US case against an American man in an American justice system in which it's own government admits it is biased and flawed and his own family, friends and colleagues vouch for him. You need to sit this one out.