Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

Overheal

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sure at the first press conference his brother put a shout out to any celeb that wanted to pay for the funeral ffs.

Well the police certainly aren't paying for it even though they put him in the ground.

I assume they will get a settlement but that's a long way off.

Mic 1972

Rodin wrote: »

If I were black I certainly wouldn't want to be associated with Brooks simply because we had the same skin colour.

Finally some sense

Overheal

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's pretty clear that you are an apologist for someone breaking the law multiple times on the one night. You are blaming the cops for everything and apportioning no blame to Brooks.

You are pretty much saying that because of racism, Brooks is excused from his actions?

You talk about empathy. How about personal responsibility. Brooks should have thought about the consequences of his actions before he was drunk behind the wheel of the car, before he resisted arrest, before he assaulted two police officers, before he stole a police issue taser, before he fired it at a police officer. He wasn't thinking of his kids then, was he?

Not when he drove the car but certainly plausible when he tried (stupidly) to resist additional prison time, where you can't really parent from.

Stateofyou

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's pretty clear that you are an apologist for someone breaking the law multiple times on the one night. You are blaming the cops for everything and apportioning no blame to Brooks.

You are pretty much saying that because of racism, Brooks is excused from his actions?

You talk about empathy. How about personal responsibility. Brooks should have thought about the consequences of his actions before he was drunk behind the wheel of the car, before he resisted arrest, before he assaulted two police officers, before he stole a police issue taser, before he fired it at a police officer. He wasn't thinking of his kids then, was he?

You're a police apologist, which is senseless in the face of the fact that the said police force has fired him for his conduct. On top of the history of this particular cop with past disciplinary marks on his record.
Yep, empathy is a good quality and I spoke about that. He should have thought about the consequence whilst he was drunk and in the reality of the explicit racist and biased problematic police force in which it's own government and President acknowledged was a problem that they are now attempting to rectify?
The police officer who was FIRED wasn't thinking of Brooks' humanity and the fact he was a father and husband before he was killed by multiple bullets to the back, was he?

BattleCorp

Overheal wrote: »

Let’s put this in more context. I’ve been bruised and belted. I’ve been sent to bed without dinner. I experienced child cruelty. I would not have turned up better for it if my father was placed in prison. Nothing he did rose to the death penalty.

He wasn't shot for doing any of that stuff you mentioned above.

He was shot by a cop who was after being assaulted by him and who was still being assaulted by him (had a taser fired at him and Brooks was still in possession of that taser and had the capability to fire more shots).

Danzy

Stateofyou wrote: »

His own family are SINGING his praises. Too bad that doesn't fit your obvious agenda. There is a wrongful death that happened here, which is only too obvious since the police dept the cop worked for FIRED him.
It's funny how many racists usually start a sentence by saying, "I'm not being racist, but..." :pac:

People do that.

We can celebrate their fortune in their free and safe lives now but also understand the mixed emotions that they will have.

They'll grieve the loss but also the potential, what if he had been a decent person, a good father.

walshb

Stateofyou wrote: »

So his colleagues and family aren't the authority here, you are, as some IRISH keyboard warrior who never knew him? But "you know" something...hahahhaha
Yeah delusions of grandeur that's what you know. As if your opinion means anything in a US case against an American man in an American justice system in which it's own government admits it is biased and flawed and his own family, friends and colleagues vouch for him. You need to sit this one out.

You are getting a little out of hand now.

What’s with the IRISH reference here?

What are you trying to imply?

BattleCorp

Overheal wrote: »

In response to a narrative on the thread that, if they didn’t shoot him in the back he would have gone home to torture his child.

That's your narrative, not mine.

Rodin

Every case should be judged on its merits.
Each case should not have a pre-formed opinion due to the skin colours of the involved parties.

Danzy

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's your narrative, not mine.

I said we in response to some mad idea about letting him walk away that for all we know he could have gone home and resumed torturing his kids.

We have no idea, nor do the police,it's why he couldn't be let walk away, he presented a severe threat in countless ways.

They are obligated to prevent that.

weldoninhio

Stateofyou wrote: »

So the research and statistics by independent gov't bodies and university & independent institutions showing police bias are completely besides the reality of politics? No. The political system is acknowledging the reality of the will of the people as they rightly should in any democracy worthy of the name.
The American people, especially the American people of colour know that racist bias exists as well as the greater public pressure together with the advent of new smartphone recording technology has brought about this change. It can no longer be dismissed or denied. The whole world has now seen the capability and the bias that exists in the US police force and the Global pressure together with the American protests are finally enacting change that is too long overdue. The US government has acknowledged the bias as well as the US president. This is bigger than politics.
Next.

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2019/07/24/white-cops-are-no-likelier-to-shoot-dead-african-americans-than-black-ones-are

Rodin

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2019/07/24/white-cops-are-no-likelier-to-shoot-dead-african-americans-than-black-ones-are

Ive said all along that this is not about racism.
But as soon as it's white and black it's automatically assumed to be racially motivated.

weldoninhio

Stateofyou wrote: »

. Racism and bias which was confirmed by the US GOVERNMENT AND THE US PRESIDENT.

You keep saying this. Have you got a link?? Where was it confirmed?

Mic 1972

walshb wrote: »

You are getting a little out of hand now.

What’s with the IRISH reference here?

What are you trying to imply?

He is a racist and has been called out for it on previous pages

Spon Farmer

Stateofyou wrote: »

So what is that 'etc?' Just say it plainly. :rolleyes:
Getting fired means exactly that. In spite of a very powerful police union and US legislation that protects police in the course of their duty.
I need to provide proof that he was fired because he did not do his job correctly?
The proof that happened is now common knowledge, it is for you to provide proof that the police force acted in mere political motives and not violation of policy. LOL

So everyone who gets fired is guilty and deserves it and it is never never done for political motives, ETC. ?

Saying politics, etc. is actually putting it plainly. If I added more reasons then it would be more complex.

No I will not spoon feed you those other reasons - "teach a man to fish.." and all that

It is incredibly naive, maybe even foolish, to think that there is no political shenanigans, or people rushing about to protect their own jobs, etc.

There was no police brutality here. Rolffe and the other officer treated Brooks with patience and respect for 40 minutes. Brooks was likewise respectful and pleasant and appeared quite harmful for 40 minutes.

The time came for the situation to come to an end. Brooks was to be arrested and even seemed to accept it.

Then is a moment the story turned into an entirely different and unexpected thing.

This amiable man took down two trained police officers with very little difficulty. He actually threw Rolffe over his back using one hand.

The cops warned him he would be tased and the second officer drew the weapon but did NOT fire. He repeated the warning and Brooks just took it from him.

And he used it.

Was Rolffe legally, morally, spiritually, etc. justified him. I have no idea and I'm not going to pretend to be an expert or pretend I'm a fly to the office wall. Could he have reacted differently?

The situation went out of control and he reacted. Could he have reacted differently? I have no idea because I'm not going to pretend I could have done any better.

Can someone so me the racism and brutality here because I don't see two white cops and dead black man. I see is three men whose lives will never be the same again.

BattleCorp

youandme13 wrote: »

Exactly, or last resort get his leg so he cant run etc.

I shoot pistols quite regularly and take part in competitions here in Ireland as much as I can. I do far more practice than your average cop and I can assure you that it's very very difficult to hit someone in the legs, especially after a fight. Your heart rate would be up, adrenaline flowing and that makes it hard to aim properly.

And besides, cops aren't trained to shoot at legs. They are trained to shoot at the centre mass of a body.

He was not a threat the had a taser not a gun ffs! And besides he was by himself against 2 police men!

A taser is considered a firearm here in Ireland. In actual fact, it's completely banned here. You can't even get one on a licence. Looking at the video he was more than able for the two cops. The two of them were on top of him and he was still able to take one of their tasers and break free. If I was a betting man, I reckon if he kept fighting, he would have whipped both their asses.

He died from two bullets in his back... totally unacceptable. Just glad I dont live over there!!

I wouldn't fancy living over there either. Tried if for a while years ago, got homesick and came home.

Overheal

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's your narrative, not mine.

I'm not the one conflating child cruelty as torture.

Stateofyou

Danzy wrote: »

People do that.

We can celebrate their fortune in their free and safe lives now but also understand the mixed emotions that they will have.

They'll grieve the loss but also the potential, what if he had been a decent person, a good father.

You know what, Danzy? Don't speak for other people. You're in no position to do so.

Mic 1972

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2019/07/24/white-cops-are-no-likelier-to-shoot-dead-african-americans-than-black-ones-are

Has anyone tried to correlate the number of non-white people being shot by the Police with the number of non-white people committing crime?
I'm not implying anything here but this stat alone isn't indicative of anything without looking at the complete picture

weldoninhio

Overheal wrote: »

Not when he drove the car but certainly plausible when he tried (stupidly) to resist additional prison time, where you can't really parent from.

You’ve been whining for hours about your daddy issues, now you think a felony child abuser should have been allowed free to “parent”.

What did he plausibly think would happen when he assaulted two cops??

Stateofyou

BattleCorp wrote: »

I shoot pistols quite regularly and take part in competitions here in Ireland as much as I can. I do far more practice than your average cop and I can assure you that it's very very difficult to hit someone in the legs, especially after a fight. Your heart rate would be up, adrenaline flowing and that makes it hard to aim properly.

And besides, cops aren't trained to shoot at legs. They are trained to shoot at the centre mass of a body.



A taser is considered a firearm here in Ireland. In actual fact, it's completely banned here. You can't even get one on a licence.



I wouldn't fancy living over there either. Tried if for a while years ago, got homesick and came home.

Ah great, so you understand that when adrenaline hits that it would have been very difficult for Rayshard to hit a cop with a taser (and indeed he missed) in the face of adrenaline, the fact he was drunk, and also running away. Cops are trained, the average civilian is not.

Overheal

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2019/07/24/white-cops-are-no-likelier-to-shoot-dead-african-americans-than-black-ones-are

Do you have anything you've actually read?

Because I regret to inform you this is behind a paywall, so you have no idea what is going on here you just saw a headline that suited your narrative.

Stateofyou

weldoninhio wrote: »

You’ve been whining for hours about your daddy issues, now you think a felony child abuser should have been allowed free to “parent”.

What did he plausibly think would happen when he assaulted two cops??

So someone had a traumatic childhood, and you think its on to speak to anyone like this, and cruelly rub in the term of "daddy issues?"

You really, really need to work on your empathy.

This poster is a real human being, it would do you well to remember that. You need to reign it in.

Feisar

Stateofyou wrote: »

Let's call the spade a spade alright. You're a keyboard warrior in a foreign country who doesn't know him. But his family and his colleagues actually do.
What else you got.

“Let’s call the spade a spade”, yer on a wind up. Well played good Sir!

Spon Farmer

Stateofyou wrote: »

What are those "loads of factors" involved? I'll wait to hear your own insider knowledge.

Too much irony can be bad for you.

You are the only one in this claiming "insider knowledge".

You say he got fired because he did wrong. End of story.

I never said he got fired for "political reasons only" (which is actually something you posted). I never said he did not get fired for wrong doing.

I'm not the person here dealing in absolutes. That is you.

Where is your proof that this is exactly what his bosses fired him for nd for no other reason?

Baggly

Stateofyou wrote: »

You know what, Danzy? Don't speak for other people. You're in no position to do so.

Mod

Id advise for you to expand upon this comment in such a way that it makes it clear to me its not a personal attack on another poster.

weldoninhio

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Has anyone tried to correlate the number of non-white people being shot by the Police with the number of non-white people committing crime?
I'm not implying anything here but this stat alone isn't indicative of anything without looking at the complete picture

They have in the Floyd thread. In terms of percentage of crimes committed by ethnicity/colour whites are disproportionately killed by cops.

I Am Nobody

Stateofyou wrote: »

Ah great, so you understand that when adrenaline hits that it would have been very difficult for Rayshard to hit a cop with a taser (and indeed he missed) in the face of adrenaline, the fact he was drunk, and also running away. Cops are trained, the average civilian is not.

Officers are trained to deal with threats,regardless how random they are.You are pulling straws to bolster your ideas..

Overheal

weldoninhio wrote: »

you think a felony child abuser should have been allowed free to “parent”.

The parole board thought so.

What did he plausibly think would happen when he assaulted two cops??

Flee and evade. I don't know if this will come as a shock to you but police do not always win a pursuit. I'm not sure what the purpose of this line of questioning is, though, unless you're trying to argue he thought it was suicide by cop - and that's silly.

Spon Farmer

Stateofyou wrote: »

Why does this have to keep being reiterated? Are you new to the thread, can't read, or can't accept the points already made or what?
He. Was. Drunk. He. Was. Scared. Due to the reality of police bias and brutality that exists as confirmed by research and their own government and President?
If the police had done their actual job, he would be celebrating his daughters birthday with his family. But they didn't, so too bad they got fired like the idiots they are.

Where in that 40 minute video does Brooks look or act scared?