Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

lalababa

Look everybody knows the US set up regarding proliferation of guns and death by cop and cop deaths is a clusterf**k. THEY have a serious problem. Death by cop is 100 times per capita of that of the UK in 2019. But most deaths.. civilians and cops are relatively poor. So the media/political don't care. 'we are the greatest country in the world' ...nothing wrong here.
Stick a fork in 'em they're done.

ronivek

Green Peter wrote: »

No because it's completely factually wrong

Which parts are "factually wrong"?

I linked to an image from a study showing incidents of taser use are much less likely to result in injury compared to incidents of punches/kicks/baton strikes.

The DA presented a picture of the car in its position in the parking lot and a picture of the bullet strike on the car. Admittedly we only have his word that there were 3 people in the car; but since he fully named them and they will have to provide testimony at any Grand Jury or other court hearing I think we can safely conclude that counts as evidence of fact for now.

Or is it just all factually wrong because it doesn't quite fit with your own personal narrative of the incident and how it has been handled?

Green Peter

Overheal wrote: »

Another detail caught on CCTV, according to today’s Press conference, was a frame that purportedly shows the flare from the propellant in the taser barbs fired, and Brooks shot was well over anyone’s head.

Maybe it was a wild shot, or a warning shot, or he just panic squeezed the trigger when he turned around and saw the cop. IME you will still look behind your back when you run away from someone, even just to know how close they are or if they’re even following you. But he didn’t grab the weapon for nothing.

That's your credibility compeletly gone, you simply want to see it one way only making every excuse possible for brooks action. Police will start looking the other way in future and it's the public that will suffer.

Overheal

Green Peter wrote: »

That's your credibility compeletly gone, you simply want to see it one way only making every excuse possible for brooks action. Police will start looking the other way in future and it's the public that will suffer.

Ah that pervasive, toxic old chestnut. How DARE society hold police accountable for professional misconduct! Do people who peddle that line even realize the Stockholm Syndrome in play with that? Imagine the military saying “we’re going to intercept fewer missiles if Eddie Gallagher is convicted” - yet that’s what we seem to EXPECT from our police?

the immortals

The only reason this officer is facing a felony murder charge is because the D A Paul Howard is under investigation by the Gbi (Georgia bureau of investigation) of funnelling $140,000 into his salary, and he's up for re election, it's ludicrous

NotMOL

Overheal wrote: »

Another detail caught on CCTV, according to today’s Press conference, was a frame that purportedly shows the flare from the propellant in the taser barbs fired, and Brooks shot was well over anyone’s head.

Maybe it was a wild shot, or a warning shot, or he just panic squeezed the trigger when he turned around and saw the cop. IME you will still look behind your back when you run away from someone, even just to know how close they are or if they’re even following you. But he didn’t grab the weapon for nothing.

It's easy for you to say that now from the comfort of your sofa. But the split second decision the cops got doesn't give them the luxury to see how far over their head it went:rolleyes:

their pov = Brooks assaults cop, takes their weapon, runs but then turns around to aim said weapon and then fire it

hetuzozaho

the immortals wrote: »

The only reason this officer is facing a felony murder charge is because the D A Paul Howard is under investigation by the Gbi (Georgia bureau of investigation) of funnelling $140,000 into his salary, and he's up for re election, it's ludicrous

Not the ONLY reason though :pac:

Green Peter

Overheal wrote: »

Ah that pervasive, toxic old chestnut. How DARE society hold police accountable for professional misconduct! Do people who peddle that line even realize the Stockholm Syndrome in play with that? Imagine the military saying “we’re going to intercept fewer missiles if Eddie Gallagher is convicted” - yet that’s what we seem to EXPECT from our police?

You really don't have a clue

Overheal

^ Thrilling rebuttal 5/5

NotMOL wrote: »

It's easy for you to say that now from the comfort of your sofa. But the split second decision the cops got doesn't give them the luxury to see how far over their head it went:rolleyes:

their pov = Brooks assaults cop, takes their weapon, runs but then turns around to aim said weapon and then fire it

^ and thats.. -not- easy to say from the comfort of -your- sofa?

Police are tried in the criminal justice system, by a judge and 12 citizen peers. I don’t see the point in ad hominems when the people who will preside in the courtroom aren’t police, either.

lawrencesummers

Overheal wrote: »

Nothing he said is racist it was just an observation about implicit biases.

Implicit bias my left one. Thats just racism in a more polite term.

The poster is deeming all Black people to be unable to serve as jurors.
That because of the color of their skin they wont be able to determine a rightful verdict. That because the victim was AA it wont matter what evidence is put forward because every black person sees him as guilty before a trial starts.

Hes not saying the justice system is a problem, or that trials are jeopardized by previous reporting, hes not saying black defendants don't get a fair trial when a jury is white. He is saying that black people, each and every black person that could be a juror is incapable of putting race to one side and making a just decision based on evidence.

That in any language is just Racist.

Overheal

Atlanta PD allegedly have mass call-outs tonight in most districts. Some rumors in social media that neighboring districts won’t assist Atlanta except for officer down but I haven’t seen confirmation.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/atlanta-police-disputes-rumors-of-mass-officer-walk-outs-seeing-higher-than-usual-call-outs

I find it quite disappointing that a legally shielded gang can’t resist the temptation to act like terrorists. “If the law applies to us then we won’t enforce the law!” They are, if these rumors are true, cowards that can’t even admit that they are protesting.

I’d fire them all. It wouldn’t even be unprecedented.

Overheal

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Implicit bias my left one. Thats just racism in a more polite term.

The poster is deeming all Black people to be unable to serve as jurors.
That because of the color of their skin they wont be able to determine a rightful verdict. That because the victim was AA it wont matter what evidence is put forward because every black person sees him as guilty before a trial starts.

Hes not saying the justice system is a problem, or that trials are jeopardized by previous reporting, hes not saying black defendants don't get a fair trial when a jury is white. He is saying that black people, each and every black person that could be a juror is incapable of putting race to one side and making a just decision based on evidence.

That in any language is just Racist.

I think you are reading into things that are not there in the post sorry.

For example it’s not racist to discuss the makeup of the jury that acquitted the officers that brutalized Rodney King, is it?

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-03-03-mn-2987-story.html

Acknowledging the topic of race issues in jury selection isn’t racist.

Manic Moran

ronivek wrote: »

"No matter what"?

The officer fired three rounds in the direction of four people; three of whom were entirely innocent and one of whom was in possession of a weapon which is in general less dangerous than punching/kicking someone.

An officer who it now turned out also conspired with other police officers to cover up another shooting of a fleeing suspect; although this one survived.

You're okay with that?

Interestingly, the DA disagrees with that. Which is a problem.

Remember those Atlanta cops who pulled the two folks from the car about two weeks ago after tasing them? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/atlanta-officers-charged-assault-after-video-them-using-stun-guns-n1222351

He charged them with "Aggravated Assault", defined in Georgia as "with a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury."

Now, the rules for the use of deadly force for Atlanta PD is "He or she reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury and when he or she reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others.".

Which means he is completely contradicting himself. Either the charges against the cops who pulled the student from the car are BS and were filed to placate the baying mob, or the charges against the officers who shot Mr Brooks are complete BS and filed to placate the baying mob. No wonder Atlanta PD's officers are annoyed.

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

Interestingly, the DA disagrees with that. Which is a problem.

Remember those Atlanta cops who pulled the two folks from the car about two weeks ago after tasing them? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/atlanta-officers-charged-assault-after-video-them-using-stun-guns-n1222351

He charged them with "Aggravated Assault", defined in Georgia as "with a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury."

Now, the rules for the use of deadly force for Atlanta PD is "He or she reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury and when he or she reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others.".

Which means he is completely contradicting himself. Either the charges against the cops who pulled the student from the car are BS and were filed to placate the baying mob, or the charges against the officers who shot Mr Brooks are complete BS and filed to placate the baying mob. No wonder Atlanta PD's officers are annoyed.

Surely among reasonable people it is up for debate. That alone to me warrants escalation before the court system. Charges are easy to try, and expunge if necessary. If it’s good enough for civilians it should be good enough for police. Unless police arrest large are telling us it isn’t? Surely police trust in and believe in the system of laws that they enforce under any other ordinary circumstance...

ronivek

Manic Moran wrote: »

He charged them with "Aggravated Assault", defined in Georgia as "with a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury."

Now, the rules for the use of deadly force for Atlanta PD is "He or she reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury and when he or she reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others.".

Obligatory I Am Not A Lawyer but there is a ruling from the Georgia Supreme Court: Harwell v. State, 512 S.E.2d 892 (Ga. Sup. Ct. 1999)

Whether a weapon is deadly or one likely to cause serious bodily injury is a question for the jury, which may consider all the circumstances surrounding the weapon and the manner in which it was used. Williams v. State, 127 Ga.App. 386(1), 193 S.E.2d 633 (1972). See also Arnett v. State, 245 Ga. 470(3), 265 S.E.2d 771 (1980). Cf. Smith v. Hardrick, 266 Ga. 54(2), 464 S.E.2d 198 (1995)

So to me it doesn't look like these charges are necessarily contradictory since it will be up to the jury to determine whether the assault rises to aggravated or not.

As to the Atlanta PD's use of force rules I have no idea how they would interact with any criminal proceedings; but much of the wording in there could certainly be argued one way or another.

lawrencesummers

Overheal wrote: »

I think you are reading into things that are not there in the post sorry.

For example it’s not racist to discuss the makeup of the jury that acquitted the officers that brutalized Rodney King, is it?

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-03-03-mn-2987-story.html

Acknowledging the topic of race issues in jury selection isn’t racist.

He and I am not talking about historic trials, or the fact that race issues prevail in the legal system, or how jury selection is completed.

I’m pointing out that the poster has the Racist opinion that it’s not possible for a black person to be a bi partisan juror, and their stance that only a white jury would Provide fairness.

Poster isn’t worried about the lack of a white person being met with justice if a white jury is in place. His post was simple.

Overheal

https://twitter.com/hanon89121513/status/1273503188629491714?s=21

https://twitter.com/trump_tweet4/status/1273502713192386560?s=21

https://twitter.com/tony_swish/status/1273495482149601285?s=21

Edit idk why that’s NSFW filtered by twitter it’s just a bystander photo of some police idling.

Zone 6 is trending on Twitter atm. Precinct 6 is one of those abandoned by Atlanta PD tonight. Atlantans listening to the scanner report near dead ass radio silence except for the above audio and about an hour ago someone ominously came over the scanner and said “I need gas”

https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1273493017807032321?s=21

Did the precinct plan to stage arson or are they burning their documents? I mean yeah someone might just need to refuel a vehicle but they are reportedly removing all weapons and personal effects from the building, so either something is up or they are being paranoid about another Minneapolis 3rd Precinct situation (which is a scenario of their own choosing because of #blueflu)

weldoninhio

J. Marston wrote: »

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272177941519257600

The second video, this isn't during the protests but it just shows how absolutely psychotic they are over there.

Think about how our Gardaí would handle that situation and compare it to that public execution.

Second video the guy was specifically told multiple times, do not reach for your waistband. Then he went for his waistband. Suicide by cop. Should they have waited to see if he had a gun and had gotten a few shots off??

BattleCorp

weldoninhio wrote: »

Second video the guy was specifically told multiple times, do not reach for your waistband. Then he went for his waistband. Suicide by cop. Should they have waited to see if he had a gun and had gotten a few shots off??

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-dies-after-shooting-incident-in-castlerea-overnight-39295327.html

Sadly an incident where one of our own Gardai was killed with his own service weapon last night.

punisher5112

BattleCorp wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-dies-after-shooting-incident-in-castlerea-overnight-39295327.html

Sadly an incident where one of our own Gardai was killed with his own service weapon last night.

See this is exactly it, all the keyboard warrior on here stating they should have let the numpty at Wendy's go, this is how the sh1,t van really go and unfortunately I've seen videos of such online mainly from the USA where their own weapons have been used against them ....

The police are in an era now no matter what they do they will be wrong but I know this much I'd want to be going off shift alive rather then in a bag.

There is no way it should be allowed to have an officer on their own at any time no matter what country they're in....

This murder last night in Roscommon may have been avoided if he wasn't alone.

Condolences to the family.

Stateofyou

"We've concluded, at the time Mr. Brooks was shot, that he did not pose an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or officers." -Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard Jr at a news conference yesterday.

Howard announced Roife (the cop who shot Rayshard) is now facing 11 charges including felony murder and aggravated assault. The charges include counts in connection with a stray bullet that struck a bystander's occupied vehicle.

Danzy

We see in Roscommon what Brooks's violence could lead to.

punisher5112

Stateofyou wrote: »

"We've concluded, at the time Mr. Brooks was shot, that he did not pose an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or officers." -Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard Jr at a news conference yesterday.

Howard announced Roife (the cop who shot Rayshard) is now facing 11 charges including felony murder and aggravated assault. The charges include counts in connection with a stray bullet that struck a bystander's occupied vehicle.

Absolutely nuts to be honest.

How can any cop put on their uniforms with this going on, they should all walk off the job.

The man assaulted two officers, took a weapon and tried to use it against them.....


Bizarre but as BLM they are turning it that whites are 2nd class citizens and we should kneel or bow before them......

Danzy

The Atlanta DA is looking for votes as he us under severe pressure, this he feels will help, he knows that they'll be acquitted. Such clear cut self defense.


Emotions are in fashion and reason and rationality are not.

punisher5112

Danzy wrote: »

The Atlanta DA is looking for votes as he us under severe pressure, this he feels will help, he knows that they'll be acquitted. Such clear cut self defense.


Emotions are in fashion and reason and rationality are not.

Still it's an absolute kick in the teeth and taking away from the real and decent police....

The police force needs to stand by the officers and back them 110%

BPKS

punisher5112 wrote: »

See this is exactly it, all the keyboard warrior on here stating they should have let the numpty at Wendy's go, this is how the sh1,t van really go and unfortunately I've seen videos of such online mainly from the USA where their own weapons have been used against them ....

The police are in an era now no matter what they do they will be wrong but I know this much I'd want to be going off shift alive rather then in a bag.

There is no way it should be allowed to have an officer on their own at any time no matter what country they're in....

This murder last night in Roscommon may have been avoided if he wasn't alone.

Condolences to the family.

Totally agree. All the bleeding hearts will be trying to say there is no connection between the two events but this is what Gardaí/Police Officers put themselves in risk of everyday they go to work (obviously way more at risk in the USA where there is such a high percentage of gun use).

Cant wait to see Leo playing both sides of the fence with this one.

Stateofyou

The mental gymnastics here are amazing. The law has been brought down and the grasping for any straw to still try and excuse away an unnecessary killing of a man, father and husband is ridiculous. Not to mention the danger it put innocent bystanders in. Police are now going to be held accountable for their actions which goes against training and policy. Simple as that, however uncomfortable that makes people on an Irish boards forum.

Stateofyou

punisher5112 wrote: »

Bizarre but as BLM they are turning it that whites are 2nd class citizens and we should kneel or bow before them......

Well now we can see where your fears and insecurities are.

And you can't see the irony in people rising up to protest the fact they've been treated as "2nd class citizens" and worse since the beginning of white people arriving in that country. LOL

punisher5112

Stateofyou wrote: »

The mental gymnastics here are amazing. The law has been brought down and the grasping for any straw to still try and excuse away an unnecessary killing of a man, father and husband is ridiculous. Not to mention the danger it put innocent bystanders in. Police are now going to be held accountable for their actions which goes against training and policy. Simple as that, however uncomfortable that makes people on an Irish boards forum.

Some father he was.... Do you actually read what you spout.

He was the one the only one that instigated the exact situation that ended up costing him his life.

Model citizen.

NIMAN

He could face the death penalty.

I know he probably will be acquitted, but imagine that, a police officer put to death.

Be some uproar then!