Spain this summer (MOD WARNING IN POST 1)

Pinklady09

Anyone got any idea why Spain is not in this list? It was tweeted by the Department of health this evening, it’s a slide from their Covid briefing this evening

olestoepoke

Ive read that sometimes planes can develop problems due to inactivity. I'm a nervous flier and this worries me more than catching Covid on them lol.

CruelSummer

Pinklady09 wrote: »

Anyone got any idea why Spain is not in this list? It was tweeted by the Department of health this evening, it’s a slide from their Covid briefing this evening

Because they saw Ryanair’s sales and wanted to annoy people dreaming of holidays...oh & Michael O’Leary.

GreyEagle

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ive read that sometimes planes can develop problems due to inactivity. I'm a nervous flier and this worries me more than catching Covid on them lol.

Your biggest regret may be bringing a renewed outbreak of Covid-19 back with you to Ireland. The advice is strongly to avoid unnecessary travel.

freak scence

GreyEagle wrote: »

Your biggest regret may be bringing a renewed outbreak of Covid-19 back with you to Ireland. The advice is strongly to avoid unnecessary travel.

yep it's how all this **** started

JimmyChew

Pinklady09 wrote: »

Anyone got any idea why Spain is not in this list? It was tweeted by the Department of health this evening, it’s a slide from their Covid briefing this evening

That is interesting... Surely they would be mid table if not higher up 🀔

olestoepoke

GreyEagle wrote: »

Your biggest regret may be bringing a renewed outbreak of Covid-19 back with you to Ireland. The advice is strongly to avoid unnecessary travel.

I was maybe thinking about 6 or 8 weeks time personally so wind your neck back in, travel police and find someone else to give out to.

GreyEagle

olestoepoke wrote: »

I was maybe thinking about 6 or 8 weeks time personally so wind your neck back in, travel police and find someone else to give out to.

There won't be a vaccine in 6-8 weeks.

freak scence

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases

olestoepoke

GreyEagle wrote: »

There won't be a vaccine in 6-8 weeks.

Maybe not but the advice/restrictions may very well change, so if that happens ill be listening to the experts not some random person on the internet.

CruelSummer

GreyEagle wrote: »

There won't be a vaccine in 6-8 weeks.

It’s none of your business where people go on their holidays to if they take the necessary precautions. Where are you going yourself? Tony and George told you to staycation on the news so let’s hear what you’re doing. Living in fear perhaps?

Manc_Red

You have to laugh at these people who tell you not to go away on holidays when its been deemed safe to do so.

Begrudgers

GreyEagle

Of course it is your decision whether or not to travel abroad this summer. Once you are fully aware that the advice given by NPHET is strongly against such non-essential travel. The risk of re-importing the virus is much higher if you choose to ignore that advice. The responsibility is yours.

Manc_Red

I'll be heading to Majorca in August only if its ok to do so. Anyone who thinks that's wrong is only a naysayer or a begrudger.

faceman

GreyEagle wrote: »

Of course it is your decision whether or not to travel abroad this summer. Once you are fully aware that the advice given by NPHET is strongly against such non-essential travel. The risk of re-importing the virus is much higher if you choose to ignore that advice. The responsibility is yours.

The advice of the NPHET is not aligned with ECDC or with WHO. In fact research based evidence by WHO shows:

“...evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries. However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities.

Travel measures that significantly interfere with international traffic may only be justified at the beginning of an outbreak, as they may allow countries to gain time, even if only a few days, to rapidly implement effective preparedness measures. Such restrictions must be based on a careful risk assessment, be proportionate to the public health risk, be short in duration, and be reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves.

Travel bans to affected areas or denial of entry to passengers coming from affected areas are usually not effective in preventing the importation of cases but may have a significant economic and social impact.”

GreyEagle

faceman wrote: »

The advice of the NPHET is not aligned with ECDC or with WHO. In fact research based evidence by WHO shows:

“...evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries. However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities.

Travel measures that significantly interfere with international traffic may only be justified at the beginning of an outbreak, as they may allow countries to gain time, even if only a few days, to rapidly implement effective preparedness measures. Such restrictions must be based on a careful risk assessment, be proportionate to the public health risk, be short in duration, and be reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves.

Travel bans to affected areas or denial of entry to passengers coming from affected areas are usually not effective in preventing the importation of cases but may have a significant economic and social impact.”

Interesting quote. Could you please supply a reference to exactly where this supposed quote came from?

Tenzor07

faceman wrote: »

The advice of the NPHET is not aligned with ECDC or with WHO. In fact research based evidence by WHO shows

The WHO don't like to get involved in recommending travel bans, bad enough that Trump has already cut funding, imagine if the recommended travel bans with many other countries, they'd get no co-operation whatsoever from those countries and couldn't function at all without it..

Holohan and his HSE staff don't care in the slightest who they offend by recommending not to travel to other countries..

faceman

GreyEagle wrote: »

Interesting quote. Could you please supply a reference to exactly where this supposed quote came from?

Direct from the WHO. There are plenty of articles and journals on the WHO website and ECDC website.

https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak

sideline warrior

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the rise in cases in Spain continued today. 564 today, 419 yesterday and 400 on Thurs. I know it’s all relative versus total population but it’s the rise that’s the concern. Seems to be mainly confined to a number of clusters rather than community transmission but it’s a worry.

faceman

sideline warrior wrote: »

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the rise in cases in Spain continued today. 564 today, 419 yesterday and 400 on Thurs. I know it’s all relative versus total population but it’s the rise that’s the concern. Seems to be mainly confined to a number of clusters rather than community transmission but it’s a worry.

There are currently 12 outbreaks in Spain. They moved pretty fast to lockdown those areas. From the Spanish news:

“ According to Fernando Simón, the director of the Health Ministry’s Coordination Center for Health Alerts, it was a positive sign that Spain is reporting outbreaks “and not community transmission” of Covid-19. “They are occurring in young people, meaning they are milder and transmitted less.” The health official warned, however, that “an outbreak that escapes [detection] for longer could lead to community transmission” of the coronavirus.

Of the detected outbreaks, there are two “which are of real concern,” said Simón, in reference to a cluster in a Red Cross shelter in the southern city of Málaga, and another one among seasonal laborers in Huesca province in Aragón. “These are the two in which we have to show that control has truly been achieved,” he said.”

SeeMoreBut

Manc_Red wrote: »

I'll be heading to Majorca in August only if its ok to do so. Anyone who thinks that's wrong is only a naysayer or a begrudger.

Define ok? Journey to/from airport, in airport, plane, accommodation, shops, bars, restaurants?

If I was going anywhere then in the plane be my biggest concern. After that it is like been here. I prefer to book a villa or small complex than a 200 apartment complex.

sideline warrior

faceman wrote: »

There are currently 12 outbreaks in Spain. They moved pretty fast to lockdown those areas. From the Spanish news:

“ According to Fernando Simón, the director of the Health Ministry’s Coordination Center for Health Alerts, it was a positive sign that Spain is reporting outbreaks “and not community transmission” of Covid-19. “They are occurring in young people, meaning they are milder and transmitted less.” The health official warned, however, that “an outbreak that escapes [detection] for longer could lead to community transmission” of the coronavirus.

Of the detected outbreaks, there are two “which are of real concern,” said Simón, in reference to a cluster in a Red Cross shelter in the southern city of Málaga, and another one among seasonal laborers in Huesca province in Aragón. “These are the two in which we have to show that control has truly been achieved,” he said.”

Sadly, Spain is now not looking very positive for any green list.

faceman

sideline warrior wrote: »

Well, Spain is now doing it’s best to stay off any green list 🙄

Ok the contrary. It’s widely accepted and publicised that we will see waves and clusters around Europe. Instead of nationwide lockdowns, governments are instead handling outbreak locally, with contact testing, localised lockdowns etc.

Will Ireland follow suit when we have an inevitable outbreak? I doubt it. I can’t see the government locking down housing estates or even apartment blocks when an inevitable outbreak occurs. Ireland will quickly have a huge issue to deal with if we don’t.

freak scence

faceman wrote: »

Ok the contrary. It’s widely accepted and publicised that we will see waves and clusters around Europe. Instead of nationwide lockdowns, governments are instead handling outbreak locally, with contact testing, localised lockdowns etc.

Will Ireland follow suit when we have an inevitable outbreak? I doubt it. I can’t see the government locking down housing estates or even apartment blocks when an inevitable outbreak occurs. Ireland will quickly have a huge issue to deal with if we don’t.

yep so block travel for next 3 months will sort this all out no ?

faceman

freak scence wrote: »

yep so block travel for next 3 months will sort this all out no ?

Why would you do that? It goes against all the research evidence on shutting down travel. Are you suggesting we do something that goes against scientific research? It’s been posted previously in multiple threads. There are articles and journals about it on the WHO and ECDC websites.

freak scence

faceman wrote: »

Why would you do that? It goes against all the research evidence on shutting down travel. Are you suggesting we do something that goes against scientific research? It’s been posted previously in multiple threads. There are articles and journals about it on the WHO and ECDC websites.

good man say you would vote for Trump too , hope you and the rest here enjoy your odd holidays aboard . Can not see the enjoyment of traveling now . common sense would tell you not to travel now.

ASOT

Not long now for myself, will be in Alicante and all this time next week.

faceman

freak scence wrote: »

good man say you would vote for Trump too , hope you and the rest here enjoy your odd holidays aboard . Can not see the enjoyment of traveling now . common sense would tell you not to travel now.

Ok thanks will do. I tried to for Trump but because I’m not American I’m not allowed so I voted for the Green Party instead.

freak scence

faceman wrote: »

Ok thanks will do. I tried to for Trump but because I’m not American I’m not allowed so I voted for the Green Party instead.

happy you are laughing at your choice . They showed their true colours already, don't rush back from your fab sun holiday .

faceman

freak scence wrote: »

happy you are laughing at your choice . They showed their true colours already, don't rush back from your fab sun holiday .

You really have a bee in your bonnet. What’s really going on here?

freak scence

faceman wrote: »

You really have a bee in your bonnet. What’s really going on here?

my last parent possibly dying from imported **** that's not necessary , so someone can get a bit of sun .

faceman

freak scence wrote: »

my last parent possibly dying from imported **** that's not necessary , so someone can get a bit of sun .

I’m very sorry to hear that. I also lost a close relative during all the pandemic and can appreciate how difficult it is. With all due respect, this is probably not the thread to be visiting given it’s going to attract people eager to travel and there’s little any poster can do about it, rightly or wrongly.

I’m not going to debate with you any further on the matter given the circumstances. Condolences to you and yours.

bladespin

Been monitoring Portugal for the past while, seems to be going well overall, really hoping to make it over around the start of August.

s1ippy

I had a one-way ticket to Malaga for a fortnight's time. I was going touring my music, heading up the coast and to the islands. I had eight gigs booked. I was also going to be a support slot for a few friends who live over, crashing on their couches or being put up in nice digs by the bookers. I was planning on seeing where I ended up after a few weeks or months depending on how the financial situation looked.

Context being: I go away somewhere new every year and do this. These holidays end up paying for themselves and I live a fairly extravagant life for a month or two of the summer, then I start to miss Cork and my friends and family so I come home. Last year I went the length and breadth of Scotland and came home in late August with an extra €3k in the bank after a couple of festivals I did.

The airline won't issue a refund because apparently (and contrary to all sound assessment), if you go over and do that there and come back to Ireland afterwards and head away out and meet everyone here, that would be fine?

As far as I'm concerned that money is gone, there's not a hope I'm going. One company that I work for says we have to take 2 weeks of annual leave after we come back so as not to risk the health of others. This policy should be in every business, as a deterrent.

beggars_bush

freak scence wrote: »

happy you are laughing at your choice . They showed their true colours already, don't rush back from your fab sun holiday .

How's that?

freak scence

beggars_bush wrote: »

How's that?

excuse me .What are you saying ?

olestoepoke

freak scence wrote: »

happy you are laughing at your choice . They showed their true colours already, don't rush back from your fab sun holiday .

Is that you master Yoda?

freak scence

faceman wrote: »

I’m very sorry to hear that. I also lost a close relative during all the pandemic and can appreciate how difficult it is. With all due respect, this is probably not the thread to be visiting given it’s going to attract people eager to travel and there’s little any poster can do about it, rightly or wrongly.

I’m not going to debate with you any further on the matter given the circumstances. Condolences to you and yours.

death normally kills alot of debates

freak scence

olestoepoke wrote: »

Is that you master Yoda?

is that you crusty ?

thisistough

s1ippy wrote: »

then I start to miss Cork and my friends and family so I come home.

...

As far as I'm concerned that money is gone, there's not a hope I'm going. One company that I work for says we have to take 2 weeks of annual leave after we come back so as not to risk the health of others. This policy should be in every business, as a deterrent.

Well, it’s not Cork...

Unfortunately the common element of common sense is somewhat lacking, and the people that need to be worried about would find a way to endanger others no matter what kind of protections you tried to put up around them.
I heard of a woman coming back from somewhere delighted with herself that she was off to quarantine for the 2 weeks, just nipping into Tesco on the way back from the airport to make sure she had everything she needed. Couldn’t see any issue with it. There’s no list of rules long enough you could give someone like that like

olestoepoke

freak scence wrote: »

is that you crusty ?

Spanish Eyes

Rapid airline travel brought this effin virus all around the world within a few weeks.

That is the reality. It could do so again. I'm wary, and not afraid to say it, but all other aspects of opening up are fine by me. Travel out of and into Ireland will not end well I think, so on a personal level will watch and wait and have an eye on mid October or so.

Portugal is not doing well in the Lisbon area anyway. Spain is showing new clusters by the day. I dunno anymore. Holohan is also very wary of foreign travel at the minute anyway. What a waste of a lockdown if the virus is brought back in a couple of days when airlines open up again to foreign countries (apart from USA I reckon).

This oul virus has not gone anywhere. It is just waiting for more hosts remember.

Tenzor07

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Rapid airline travel brought this effin virus all around the world within a few weeks.That is the reality. It could do so again. I'm wary, and not afraid to say it, but all other aspects of opening up are fine by me. Travel out of and into Ireland will not end well I think, so on a personal level will watch and wait and have an eye on mid October or so.
Portugal is not doing well in the Lisbon area anyway. Spain is showing new clusters by the day. I dunno anymore. Holohan is also very wary of foreign travel at the minute anyway. What a waste of a lockdown if the virus is brought back in a couple of days when airlines open up again to foreign countries (apart from USA I reckon).

This oul virus has not gone anywhere. It is just waiting for more hosts remember.

Your prerogative completely not to travel, it sounds like you have made your own risk assessment and decided on balance not to leave home. Perhaps the HSE committee/Holohans statements have played a big part in that, everyone has a different way to come to a decision.

Now, in general the virus hasn't changed since we locked down in March, it hasn't gone away and is not likely to disappear completely without a cure...

...... what has changed is that the authorities in Spain and Portugal are containing spikes in cases. Pubs, hotels and restaurants in those countries are adapted to physical distancing and increased hygiene, nightclubs/dancefloors are either closed fully or partially. Beach areas are patrolled by security to ensure physical distancing is maintained according to the markings on beach/pool areas. For me that means it is pretty safe to travel, get outdoors, fresh air, plenty of sun, vitamin D is great for the immune system.

The simple fact is that as an Island nation we can't stay confined here indefinitely, we stopped sending our kids to school, we started to work from home, we gave up our right to travel more than 2k from home, we stopped seeing our friends, our relatives, grandparents etc.

Now 4 months on let's get some travel to our favourite country and learn to live with Covid...

drunkmonkey

bladespin wrote: »

Been monitoring Portugal for the past while, seems to be going well overall, really hoping to make it over around the start of August.

It's starting to look like a trainwreck and they were doing well, I don't know what you monitoring but it's not the cases per 100,000. Parts of it are back on lockdown. The government have started clamping down there again. Can't see our guys giving a green light for travel.

drunkmonkey

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Now 4 months on let's get some travel to our favourite country and learn to live with Covid...

You can't live with covid that's the problem, its a progressive disease. Just look at the % of recovered health workers here, this isn't something you just recover from.
So ya travel away to your favorite country with the English, sure what could go wrong.

Kanlurk

I think we’ve been living in a safe bubble here for many weeks now and we presume the same mindset will apply in the resorts abroad. However, we haven’t seen firsthand yet what will happen with social distancing when the pubs re-open. Would you enjoy a drink in a bar in Spain at the moment or be constantly wary of other groups of ‘merry’ tourists around you?
Will you stop your kids playing with other kids on the beach/hotel?. If not, will they be back out playing with the kids in the neighbourhood when they get back-just before school starts again?
And it’s always stated that we will be only be allowed to travel to ‘safe’ countries where the infection rate is the same..but if Spain is also opening up to higher risk English travellers, you are going to be mingling with them-especially in the closely confined airport.

faceman

Kanlurk wrote: »

I think we’ve been living in a safe bubble here for many weeks now and we presume the same mindset will apply in the resorts abroad. However, we haven’t seen firsthand yet what will happen with social distancing when the pubs re-open. Would you enjoy a drink in a bar in Spain at the moment or be constantly wary of other groups of ‘merry’ tourists around you?
Will you stop your kids playing with other kids on the beach/hotel?. If not, will they be back out playing with the kids in the neighbourhood when they get back-just before school starts again?
And it’s always stated that we will be only be allowed to travel to ‘safe’ countries where the infection rate is the same..but if Spain is also opening up to higher risk English travellers, you are going to be mingling with them-especially in the closely confined airport.

Spain has strict rules in place in bars and restaurants. Stricter than Ireland. Bars in Spain are safer than Ireland

Tenzor07

faceman wrote: »

Spain has strict rules in place in bars and restaurants. Stricter than Ireland. Bars in Spain are safer than Ireland

Exactly, the Spanish and indeed Portuguese police enforce the laws/rules much more strictly than the Gardai..

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/26/the-costa-lockdown-millions-of-euros-worth-of-fines-handed-out-during-coronavirus-state-of-alarm-in-spains-malaga/

bladespin

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's starting to look like a trainwreck and they were doing well, I don't know what you monitoring but it's not the cases per 100,000. Parts of it are back on lockdown. The government have started clamping down there again. Can't see our guys giving a green light for travel.

I’m monitoring the regional numbers and bar the major cities things have been going well, expected new reports as cities open, volume of numbers etc. The areas I’m interested in are performing well so far so I’m hopeful. We could go now but I’m holding out for the moment.

Atlantic Dawn

faceman wrote: »

Spain has strict rules in place in bars and restaurants. Stricter than Ireland. Bars in Spain are safer than Ireland

The toilets in bars in Spain though typically resemble the toilet in Trainspotting.