Provided chargers at shops

Kramer

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

A definite advantage now over Tesco and their eCars chargers.......

They are not Tesco's chargers - they are ours!
We, taxpayers, have paid for them, their installation & maintenance.

We also have to pay to use them.

The most ridiculous waste of taxpayer funds - free greenwashing for Tesco :rolleyes:. Amazing how AC charging at Tesco in the UK is free.

Hey EV owners, shop in Tesco! You've already paid for the chargers, now come pay 4x as much for electricity as you would at home :rolleyes:.

More chance of Lidl installing a few motorway hubs at this stage than ESB .

MJohnston

Has it ever actually been confirmed at all who is paying what for the Tesco chargers? I’d like to see a breakdown of that

Kramer

Has it ever actually been confirmed at all who is paying what for the Tesco chargers? I’d like to see a breakdown of that

Yes, ECars pay 100% of the supply, installation & maintenance.

https://www.esb.ie/tns/press-centre/2019/2019/12/20/tesco-and-esb-announce-nationwide-roll-out-of-charge-points-for-electric-vehicles-at-52-locations-across-the-country

Under this partnership ESB will supply, install and operate the charge points

We really are mugs here in Ireland

slave1

LOL and they use the Zoe as the charging example, talk about fluffing up the numbers.
Even though I've a dual charge Model S myself they really should take the average charge rate and not the rate only few can manage...

unkel

Clever Tesco, like you say a free greenwashing exercise for them, courtesy of the Irish tax payer :rolleyes:

And well done Lidl. Paying themselves for the install of the chargers AND providing free charging for their customers. A pity they didn't install more CCS chargers though like in their first install in the new Lidl in Drogheda a few years ago. The AC charge points are a bit of a waste of time for any EV that doesn't at the very least have 3 phase charging

MJohnston

Kramer wrote: »

Yes, ECars pay 100% of the supply, installation & maintenance.

https://www.esb.ie/tns/press-centre/2019/2019/12/20/tesco-and-esb-announce-nationwide-roll-out-of-charge-points-for-electric-vehicles-at-52-locations-across-the-country



We really are mugs here in Ireland

Okay but that quote doesn’t actually state anything about where the costs are coming from. ESB can supply, install, and maintain AND be paid to do so by Tesco. It wouldn’t contradict the quote if Tesco were funding it (although I’d assume it would be mentioned if they were).

We need to get some confirmation of this either way.

AndyBoBandy

miamee wrote: »

I came across these new chargers in the red car park in Blanchardstown Shopping Centre yesterday. There is a new Aldi due to open there soon so I am assuming that they have had them installed but I don't know that for sure. There are 2 sockets per unit (8 total) but only 4 spaces marked as EV charging spaces. You could charge from the spots behind too if available.

Any update on these? Are they operational? And if so, how to start a charge? Or are they just plug & play?

miamee

I don't know any more about them other than thete are only 4 points, not 8 as I originally thought. Only one actual plug in point on each. The Aldi is due to open on Thursday 26th November so if they aren't already operational, I'm sure they will be by then.

Might spin over with the car over the weekend to test one out.

Black_Knight

Used my local lidls easygo unit there this morning. Spotted the local super freeloaders. They're an odd bunch.

1. BMW plug in, plugs in every weekend as far as I can see (maybe more) and leaves the car there for hours. The display said consumed 0.00kWh when I arrived and after I had done my shop it said charge complete, disconnecting. I lol'd, pure schadenfreude moment for me.

2. After my shop, I noticed a first gen leaf lingering, awaiting a charging space. I recognise the car from previous weekly shops. The crazy thing is they were not shopping etc, they were just waiting to charge at 3.3kW. I had other business to do locally so I went about it, but told them of the fully charged and disconnected bmw (if they could reach the unit from their space). I came back about 20 minutes later to see them charging and sitting in the car. No Lidl shop, no local trade, just some free* juice.

Not the glamorous EV life we all portray

*Free if you value your time as nothing

I know I freeloaded too but doesn't everyone when the price is 0. And I did at least shop at Lidl.

TitianGerm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Used my local lidls easygo unit there this morning. Spotted the local super freeloaders. They're an odd bunch.

1. BMW plug in, plugs in every weekend as far as I can see (maybe more) and leaves the car there for hours. The display said consumed 0.00kWh when I arrived and after I had done my shop it said charge complete, disconnecting. I lol'd, pure schadenfreude moment for me.

2. After my shop, I noticed a first gen leaf lingering, awaiting a charging space. I recognise the car from previous weekly shops. The crazy thing is they were not shopping etc, they were just waiting to charge at 3.3kW. I had other business to do locally so I went about it, but told them of the fully charged and disconnected bmw (if they could reach the unit from their space). I came back about 20 minutes later to see them charging and sitting in the car. No Lidl shop, no local trade, just some free* juice.

Not the glamorous EV life we all portray

*Free if you value your time as nothing

I know I freeloaded too but doesn't everyone when the price is 0. And I did at least shop at Lidl.

There used to be a leaf where I live that was plugged in every night charging for free on the public chargers. Haven't seen it around since they started charging, now there's a new Lidl opening and they're installing chargers so I might see them appear again.

unkel

A lot of (very expensive) plug in petrol cars charging at my new local Lidl. What are they trying to achieve here? Fill up their whole battery from empty to full for a at a slow speed of 7kW to be saving of €0.63? :rolleyes:

I also plug in at my local Lidls, but only if I'm low and only on the ones that are 22kW, so it will give me a meaningful charge (I usually do my weekly shopping and sit in the car for a little while longer to do some work / read emails / relax)

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

I also plug in at my local Lidls, but only if I'm low and only on the ones that are 22kW, so it will give me a meaningful charge (I usually do my weekly shopping and sit in the car for a little while longer to do some work / read emails / relax)

I brought my 2 year old with me. No such thing as sitting and relaxing, I was draining get battery! Got a nice 22% added to the car battery though.

Black_Knight

zg3409 wrote: »

IKEA Dublin 2 x 7.4kW Max AC live on easygo app. Added to plugshare app. Belfast is 50kW...

OMG!
They finally did it, but couldn't be decent enough to offer it for free, or offer a decent speed unit

Easygo app also suggests it's got a penalty fee after 2 hours guaranteed with IKEA.

Black_Knight

Interestingly easygo also show the decathlon as easygo units, with easy go pricing and overstay penalties. Yet more easygo app confusion

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

OMG!
They finally did it, but couldn't be decent enough to offer it for free, or offer a decent speed unit

Easygo app also suggests it's got a penalty fee after 2 hours guaranteed with IKEA.

Triple ridiculous.

1. should be free
2. should not be a penalty after 2 hours, most people bothered about plugging in their car in Ikea would stay for more than 2 hours. Should they go out of the shop in the middle of their shopping session to move their car? :rolleyes:

3. only 7.4kW


I will not be plugging in there, that's for sure. Even if it was free.

unkel

Was in Dundrum SC last week. Not sure if it was mentioned here, but I heard they had new (non ESB) charge points there. Found them, plenty of them too, at level 2, I think there were about 4 charge points, so 8 cars can charge. Voltage was sh1t though, only about 210V so the charge points which were 7.2kW provided only 6kW. They were free though, just plug in and charge.

I guess if you're going to be there for a considerable length of time (say at the very least 3 hours: shopping / dinner / cinema) you could bother plugging in...

AndyBoBandy

Someone is already using one of the Ikea ones.....

MJohnston

unkel wrote: »

Was in Dundrum SC last week. Not sure if it was mentioned here, but I heard they had new (non ESB) charge points there. Found them, plenty of them too, at level 2, I think there were about 4 charge points, so 8 cars can charge. Voltage was sh1t though, only about 210V so the charge points which were 7.2kW provided only 6kW. They were free though, just plug in and charge.

I guess if you're going to be there for a considerable length of time (say at the very least 3 hours: shopping / dinner / cinema) you could bother plugging in...

They're not new, they've been there a couple of years at least. If you shop at Tesco, you can get a 3 euro "car parking discount", so you can essentially get a nice charge and a few hours parking for nothing.

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

Triple ridiculous.

1. should be free
2. should not be a penalty after 2 hours, most people bothered about plugging in their car in Ikea would stay for more than 2 hours. Should they go out of the shop in the middle of their shopping session to move their car? :rolleyes:

3. only 7.4kW


I will not be plugging in there, that's for sure. Even if it was free.

Good, leave them free for me coming up from down the country, and needing a destination charger.

The overstay fee is ****ty, and the pay for usage I guess should help keep them for those who need them, but only 2 sockets means its highly unlikely they'll be available to many, and only 7.4kW limits their usefulness in an ever increasing battery size world. It certainly hasn't given me much hope for when I eventually need to do an IKEA run. Can't even leverage decathlon, since i'd be on my own, and have to abandon my shop to retrieve the car.

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

Good, leave them free for me coming up from down the country

If you're up for a chat, I'll be across the road. Charging at 3 times the speed, for free, with no overstay penalties

innrain

Now that the Decathlon chargers are paid for don't you think it would have been a better idea that at leas two of them to be DC Rapids?
45 mins there would cost 1.5 quid and give you a range of 30km. Their usage will be nearing zero. How many parking spaces has Deca 100? On the other hand DCU/Helix which is a workplace/theater venue where people could stay 3-8 h has one rapid @1400 parking spaces. Bit backwards

ELM327

7.4kW is pretty pathetic for a store where a bank of 22kW would be easy.
Even if we accept 7kW as the supply limit due to lack of 3ph, then 10* 7kW would at least be better as you could rely on them.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

If you're up for a chat, I'll be across the road. Charging at 3 times the speed, for free, with no overstay penalties

It's not free at decathlon anymore.

TheBoyConor

Felexicon wrote: »

10 charge points at the front of the store.

You have to call in to the shop to get a fob to start charging.

Well that isn't going to last long. The fobs will all go missing with people going off with them, keeping them because they work in the area and want to use the charger every day, or handing them over to the next person in the charger queue.

Good idea in theory, but in real life practice, it won't work at all.

ELM327

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Well that isn't going to last long. The fobs will all go missing with people going off with them, keeping them because they work in the area and want to use the charger every day, or handing them over to the next person in the charger queue.

Good idea in theory, but in real life practice, it won't work at all.

It's already ended - they are now pay for use and you must use an easygo account

TheBoyConor

ELM327 wrote: »

It's already ended - they are now pay for use and you must use an easygo account

Of course it did. How anybody could be so utterly dense as to think handing out fobs willy nilly was going to be a workable solution, I don't know. It was a stupid idea.

unkel

Didn't know the Decathlon charge points were no longer free. Goes to show, I very rarely charge in public and when I do, it is mostly out of curiosity or if I have nothing better to be at

I guess my local Lidls Easy Go charge points will remain free for the moment though, even though they seem to be very popular with PHEV drivers trying to save themselves €0.15 in electricity :rolleyes:

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Well that isn't going to last long. The fobs will all go missing with people going off with them, keeping them because they work in the area and want to use the charger every day, or handing them over to the next person in the charger queue.

Good idea in theory, but in real life practice, it won't work at all.

Eh yeah. Read the thread and that is indeed what happened

ELM327

Free 22kW public charging is not to be sniffed at - when you can take a reasonable amount (at least 11kW but ideally 22kW). It's pointless sitting there for 4+ hours in a phev taking 3kW!

Felexicon

unkel wrote: »

Eh yeah. Read the thread and that is indeed what happened

Twice!

Black_Knight

Black_Knight wrote: »

OMG!
They finally did it, but couldn't be decent enough to offer it for free, or offer a decent speed unit

Easygo app also suggests it's got a penalty fee after 2 hours guaranteed with IKEA.

Facebook suggesting 2 for now, but more coming in 2021.

innrain

miamee wrote: »

I came across these new chargers in the red car park in Blanchardstown Shopping Centre yesterday. There is a new Aldi due to open there soon so I am assuming that they have had them installed but I don't know that for sure. There are 2 sockets per unit (8 total) but only 4 spaces marked as EV charging spaces. You could charge from the spots behind too if available.

They look live on the Plugsurfing app. Well, at least two of them and one appears in use 28c kWh

zg3409

innrain wrote: »

They look live on the Plugsurfing app. Well, at least two of them and one appears in use 28c kWh

Note there is only one socket per pillar, 4 total with one showing in use 3 days later, 2 offline and one available. At 7kW Max there are not that useful but Blanchardstown is the bussiest EV area in Ireland so more and more needed.

innrain

Yes. I think it is just a compliance install. One they will break there won't be any maintenance and they will be ICEd more than used. Although if I remember parking rules are quite well enforced at Blanch SC. I hope to be proved wrong.

MJohnston

zg3409 wrote: »

Note there is only one socket per pillar, 4 total with one showing in use 3 days later, 2 offline and one available. At 7kW Max there are not that useful but Blanchardstown is the bussiest EV area in Ireland so more and more needed.

Useful enough for somewhere like Blanch, I would imagine. That's the sort of place some people would spend upwards of 3-4 hours hanging around in.

AndyBoBandy

MJohnston wrote: »

Useful enough for somewhere like Blanch, I would imagine. That's the sort of place some people would spend upwards of 3-4 hours hanging around in.

And possibly travel to from up to 100km out from the N/M3......

Black_Knight

Quick shop at the local Lidl and arrived to see an Outlander occupying the easy go charging spaces, not even plugged in. Are outlander drivers the Audi drivers of the electric world?

unkel

LOL, from my experience they are nowhere near as bad as the owners of €100,000 BMW, Audi and Mercedes PHEV cars. Saving themselves €1 for plugging in

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

LOL, from my experience they are nowhere near as bad as the owners of €100,000 BMW, Audi and Mercedes PHEV cars. Saving themselves €1 for plugging in

Oh there was an ICE BMW with the engine running, no one in it and doors locked sitting in the car park.

Keeping up with appearances

Felexicon

Black_Knight wrote: »

Quick shop at the local Lidl and arrived to see an Outlander occupying the easy go charging spaces, not even plugged in. Are outlander drivers the Audi drivers of the electric world?

Sallynoggin? White Outlander?

Black_Knight

Felexicon wrote: »

Sallynoggin? White Outlander?

Wilton Cork, black.

Busman Paddy Lasty

Clamping works but not likely in private or free spaces.

Bit off topic but there's two cars clamped at Parnell Square West eCars slow charge point. Beware as the city council certainly do clamp when parking isn't paid for.

Both these cars camping while not charging is a different story though

zg3409

Lidl hillview(Belfast)
Lidl Newtownards (NI)
Lidl Tipperary
Lidl Portlaoise
Lidl Wicklow
Lidl Newross

All coming in 2021 according to easygo Facebook with 22kW AC along with the existing 42 lidl sites in ROI & NI all with 22/11kW AC, except for Drogheda which has 50kW DC triple head often broken

https://www.facebook.com/EasyGo.ie/

unkel

Not all have 22kW. Some have only 11kW and are advertised as 22kW and vice versa. Also a pity that Lidl are not installing 50kW DC chargers that would suit more people with more EVs while they are doing a 30 minute Lidl shop. They have one in Drogheda but it has been broken since forever.

Kudos to Lidl anyway for providing free electricity for their customers with EVs. Unlike Tesco, who are just trying to green wash themselves. It ain't working lads, you Brits have got a lot of things wrong in recent years...

liamog

zg3409 wrote: »

All coming in 2021 according to easygo Facebook with 22kW AC along with the existing 42 lidl sites in ROI & NI all with 22/11kW AC, except for Drogheda which has 50kW DC triple head often broken

https://www.facebook.com/EasyGo.ie/

Only post them in the New Charge Point notification thread as they come online

MJohnston

Frustratingly, Dundrum Town Centre have blocked off several levels of their main car park, I guess because most of the shops are closed, and that includes the two levels with the banks of chargers. It’s unclear to me why they couldn’t have kept one of those levels open at least, but I’m glad I wasn’t relying on them!

markpb

MJohnston wrote: »

Frustratingly, Dundrum Town Centre have blocked off several levels of their main car park, I guess because most of the shops are closed, and that includes the two levels with the banks of chargers. It’s unclear to me why they couldn’t have kept one of those levels open at least, but I’m glad I wasn’t relying on them!

They did the same last Spring too. Very annoying. I wonder if it's related to the shops the are still open, i.e. R3 for Tesco, R-1 for M&S.

Felexicon

unkel wrote: »

Not all have 22kW. Some have only 11kW and are advertised as 22kW and vice versa. Also a pity that Lidl are not installing 50kW DC chargers that would suit more people with more EVs while they are doing a 30 minute Lidl shop. They have one in Drogheda but it has been broken since forever.

Kudos to Lidl anyway for providing free electricity for their customers with EVs. Unlike Tesco, who are just trying to green wash themselves. It ain't working lads, you Brits have got a lot of things wrong in recent years...

50kw unit in Drogheda has been swapped for a 22kw AC unit.

AndyBoBandy

Felexicon wrote: »

50kw unit in Drogheda has been swapped for a 22kw AC unit.

Well, fair enough, it's an upgrade on the current single AC only (as DC never worked)..

EasyGo are on the right track putting 50kW DC units in SuperValu's, that's where they'll win... (a place where people would spend 20-40 minutes - take note Tesco).
Hopefully they are backed up with good support if they ever fault.

the_amazing_raisin

Felexicon wrote: »

50kw unit in Drogheda has been swapped for a 22kw AC unit.

What??? That was the only 50kW in the whole town! Who's bright idea was that I wonder?

AndyBoBandy

cruisey1987 wrote: »

What??? That was the only 50kW in the whole town! Who's bright idea was that I wonder?

but it hasn't worked in months/years..... 1 car could charge on it, using the AC. Now at least 2 cars can charge on AC, so the only ones losing out are Zoe drivers (assuming the AC on this unit could put out more than 22kW)